Tim Walz Signed Bill Making Minnesota a Sanctuary State for Child Sex-Changes

[BCP1928]

The objection is that a minor child is not old enough to be making these kinds of decisions. For instance do you think it would be appropriate for a 14 year old to get breast implants? If not why?
What if it was a male transitioning to female? What if it was a female who was unhappy with her breasts?

They don't. Their parents with advice from medical professionals make the decision.

 

[Pommer]

They don't. Their parents with advice from medical professionals make the decision.

This might be…evidence for the notion that Conservatives are generally a bit less willing (able?) to empathize with someone who’s child is transgender.
If their [conservative’s] children are “okay”, (not in need of transgender-care), then this set of protocols in treatment for transgender people, isn’t “needed” by anyone else.

If they’ve done right by their children, then the transgender among them will be open and honest enough to be upfront with their parents, and the protocols will suddenly be necessary. (After trying to talk the kids out of it for XX months/years…which would only be a natural (if not first) response.)

 

[BPPLEE]

I explained that young girls of that age are not allowed to make those sorts of decisions. If there was a reason for it then the parents and he doctor(s) would make the decision following (obviously) consultation with the girl. The person who is definitely not going to decide is you. Which again prompts the question - which you didn't answer...would you want me to tell you what's best for your children? Or are you the best person for that?

The parents are best responsible

 

[Bradskii]

The parents are best responsible

Then we agree. Neither you nor I should be able to dictate what is best for someone's else's children. And who else believes that in this regard? Tim Walz.

 

[Servus]

"Harris - Walz" should be charged to "Sodom and Gomorrah".

 

[Hammster]

Then we agree. Neither you nor I should be able to dictate what is best for someone's else's children. And who else believes that in this regard? Tim Walz.

But guess what? There’s this thing in the US called Child Protective Services. Do you know why they exist?

 

[Servus]

But guess what? There’s this thing in the US called Child Protective Services. Do you know why they exist?

Sounds like an agency Walz would probably like to get rid of.

 

[Bradskii]

But guess what? There’s this thing in the US called Child Protective Services. Do you know why they exist?

They don't exist to support your views on any matter. In the US it's 'a branch of your state’s social services department that is responsible for the assessment, investigation and intervention regarding cases of child abuse and neglect, including sexual abuse. In all of its procedures, CPS must follow state and federal laws'. What is Child Protective Services? | Stop It Now

If you think there has been any need to contact them, then it is your duty so to do. Seriously, even if you are wrong or it is shown that you are mistaken then you must contact them. In Australia it can be an offence not to. Morally, it's a given. Why wouldn't you?

So...have you ever contacted them?

 

[Hammster]

They don't exist to support your views on any matter. In the US it's 'a branch of your state’s social services department that is responsible for the assessment, investigation and intervention regarding cases of child abuse and neglect, including sexual abuse. In all of its procedures, CPS must follow state and federal laws'. What is Child Protective Services? | Stop It Now

If you think there has been any need to contact them, then it is your duty so to do. Seriously, even if you are wrong or it is shown that you are mistaken then you must contact them. In Australia it can be an offence not to. Morally, it's a given. Why wouldn't you?

So...have you ever contacted them?

You said

Neither you nor I should be able to dictate what is best for someone's else's children.

Just about every parent who has a child removed from their home thinks they are doing the best for their child.

 

[KCfromNC]

Just about every parent who has a child removed from their home thinks they are doing the best for their child.

Along with just about every parent who hasn't. And also, just about every parent who has consented to the appropriate medical treatment for their child.

So this specific criteria really can't be used to determine much of anything about the current topic of discussion. Pretty sure it's an example of affirming the consequent.

 

[BPPLEE]

Then we agree. Neither you nor I should be able to dictate what is best for someone's else's children. And who else believes that in this regard? Tim Walz.

There are parents taking little boys and letting them identify as little girls and wear dresses and wear their hair like a girl and go by a girl name and I don't think it's healthy but it's none of my business if the parents choose to do this.
Gender affirming surgery for minors though is something that some lawmakers feel is not healthy and some states may take action to prohibit or limit such surgeries.

 

[Hammster]

Along with just about every parent who hasn't. And also, just about every parent who has consented to the appropriate medical treatment for their child.

So this specific criteria really can't be used to determine much of anything about the current topic of discussion. Pretty sure it's an example of affirming the consequent.

No, it is pointing out…oh never mind. Heathens are gonna heathe.

 

[KCfromNC]

No, it is pointing out…oh never mind. Heathens are gonna heathe.

And here I thought there were rules about addressing the content of the post rather than the posters.

 

[Hammster]

And here I thought there were rules about addressing the content of the post rather than the posters.

It was about the content.

 

[civilwarbuff]

My grandson is a child. He's ten. So what should and shouldn't be considered would be vastly different between a 17 year old and a ten year old.

Once someone is 18 they are free to go out and carve themselves in any way they please; I couldn't care less. I just don't want to hear them whining and complaining 10 years later about how society allowed them to be so stupid. Under 18 they are too young to make those kind of decisions for themselves. If the parents allow it then any thing that happens down the road is their fault and they should be held fully accountable by society for any harm they cause their child. Make them think twice before doing something so stupid.

 

[DaisyDay]

Tim Walz Signed Bill Making Minnesota a Sanctuary State for Child Sex-Changes | National Review

But apparently he’s a moderate. This is disgusting. Yet the left will just fawn over him because they have to.

Text of actual bill

 

[DaisyDay]

Bro, there are Australians and Europeans who are tired of the LGTV stuff also. And yes, Europe is a bit left of the US, but even the Europeans know that this trans stuff is messed up. American elites (on both sides of the aisle, such as Big Oil and Big Pharma) and corporations seem to poison their population, while the Europeans care about protecting their population.

Sweden bans gender bending for teens:

Why is Sweden restricting hormone therapy and surgery for trans teens?

Sweden, a pioneer in LGBTQ rights, is now restricting gender-affirming treatments for minors, citing concerns about their long-term side effects.

www.euronews.com

Has anyone pointed out yet that the OP article is outdated, being from February 2023?

Sweden's parliament makes it easier for young people to change gender

The centre-right governing coalition's two biggest parties supported the legislation, which ultimately passed easily.

www.euronews.com

Euronews:The Swedish parliament has passed a law lowering the age for people to change their gender identity from 18 to 16.

Those under 18 still need approval from a guardian, a doctor and the National Board of Health and Welfare.

The law also stipulates that an official diagnosis for gender dysphoria, a condition of psychological distress experienced by those whose gender expression does not match their gender identity is no longer required.

The bill was passed 234-94 with 21 lawmakers absent, following a debate that lasted for nearly six hours.

Sweden joins a number of countries with similar laws including Denmark, Norway, Finland and Spain.
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[BCP1928]

Text of actual bill

Yay! State's rights! And nothing in it prohibits the state legislature from passing a law against gender reassignment surgery if they chose to do so.

 

[DaisyDay]

Some of them know how to use a gun so should we teach all of them how to use guns?

Yes! Gun safety needs to be taught in America. Perhaps if it were, there would be fewer accidental gun deaths.

Just because some know about something it's not an excuse to start teaching it

It should be taught in hygiene class.

 

[Hammster]

Has anyone pointed out yet that the OP article is outdated, being from February 2023?

Sweden's parliament makes it easier for young people to change gender

The centre-right governing coalition's two biggest parties supported the legislation, which ultimately passed easily.

www.euronews.com

Euronews:The Swedish parliament has passed a law lowering the age for people to change their gender identity from 18 to 16. ​

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Those under 18 still need approval from a guardian, a doctor and the National Board of Health and Welfare.​

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The law also stipulates that an official diagnosis for gender dysphoria, a condition of psychological distress experienced by those whose gender expression does not match their gender identity is no longer required. ​

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The bill was passed 234-94 with 21 lawmakers absent, following a debate that lasted for nearly six hours.​

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Sweden joins a number of countries with similar laws including Denmark, Norway, Finland and Spain.​

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So evil is present in other counties. Not news.