Are there any facts contrary to T.O.E?

[Laodicean60]

Why do you keep calling anything related to evolution a belief system?

Why do you keep asking this? The theory is just that and your belief in it is your belief system because I believe otherwise.

Do not give one jot of thought to it.

You should if you want to know what other sciences are saying. Your original belief "might" change in the future but it won't if you avoid possible conflicting information.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Why do you keep asking this? The theory is just that and your belief in it is your belief system because I believe otherwise.

I keep asking it because you're calling it a belief system? I don't believe that evolution is factual. I accept the science behind is as being factual and evidenced. That's not the same as believing in something. Believing something means taking it on faith. I accept evolution because it has facts behind it. Two very different things.

You should if you want to know what other sciences are saying. Your original belief "might" change in the future but it won't if you avoid possible conflicting information.

No, my beliefs wouldn't change but my opinions would, and my opinion is that I don't actually care about quantum mechanics because it's not a field of study I've ever been interested in.

Stop calling things that aren't beliefs beliefs. You keep using that word and I really do not think you know what it means.

 

[Astrid]

I stand in relatively shallow water and insist my associates stand several feet further out to sea to convince beach users that I am of a similar height to my fellows.

Parallax is my enemy.

Is that parallax, or perspective getting to you?


From down here among the kneecaps, my
perspective on things is, i'd be better to
go with Drama Queen.

 

[BCP1928]

That is true; I choose not to believe 100% ToE as I was taught.

Too bad you were so poorly taught,

The primordial soup part doesn't add up. You believe the other way, this is what I was talking about in a belief system.

The "primordial soup" part isn't part of the theory of evolution.

What do you think about quantum physics? This science is backed by math.

So is the ToE.

 

[Laodicean60]

I keep asking it because you're calling it a belief system?

I don't know why you hung up on the "belief system" It seems you're attaching religious bias toward what I'm saying. Belief system: Most kids believe in Santa Claus then one day catch their parents putting presents under the tree, you reason there is no Santa so you change your belief. Each of us believes in something once weighing the information on everything. You believe the information and have a strong belief that the information is the best explanation, I on the other hand don't believe all the information because of arguments against some of the science.

 

[Astrid]

That is true; I choose not to believe 100% ToE as I was taught. The primordial soup part doesn't add up. You believe the other way, this is what I was talking about in a belief system.

What do you think about quantum physics? This science is backed by math.

The only " belief system" here is yours.

Mix half forgotten grade school " science" from a half
something or other teacher, with a vague pop - sci phrase from the 1800s that ISNT EVEN ABOUT ToE, and the absurd concept of " choosing to believe" and you've got a belief system out - systemed by only one poster here.

Only a idiot, btw, accepts ANY theory 100 %, still
less every single bit of data associated with it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't know why you hung up on the "belief system" It seems you're attaching religious bias toward what I'm saying. Belief system: Most kids believe in Santa Claus then one day catch their parents putting presents under the tree, you reason there is no Santa so you change your belief. Each of us believes in something once weighing the information on everything. You believe the information and have a strong belief that the information is the best explanation, I on the other hand don't believe all the information because of arguments against some of the science.

Because when belief system is brought up, it's always invariably used as a referring to a religion, and then you compound it further by mentioned children believing in Santa Claus.
All of which are things taken on faith without evidence.

The theory of evolution has evidence for it, so to accept it as factual is not a belief, but an acceptance of fact.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, I'm wondering what books or journal articles from bona fide evolutionists you've read completely.

Zero.

Care to share one or two from your working bibliography?

My readings include:

• The History of Science, by John Gribbin
• Instant Physics, by Tony Rothman
• What Einstein Told His Barber, by Robert L. Wolke
• Five Equations That Changed The World, by Michael Guillen
• Introduction to Space Technology, text book
• Oceanography, text book
• Chemistry for Dummies, by John T. Moore
• The entire Time-Life Encyclopedia of Zoology -- all 19 volumes (20th was an index)
• Essential Philosophy, by James Mannion
• The Atlas of Past Times, by John Haywood
• The 100 - A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, by Michael H. Hart
• The Trail of Blood, by J. M. Carroll
• God's Voice in the Stars, by Kenneth C. Fleming
• Turmoil in the Toybox, by Phil Phillips
• A Shepherd Looks at Psalm 23, by Phillip Keller
• 7 Men Who Rule the World from the Grave, by David Breese

 

[Astrophile]

That is true; I choose not to believe 100% ToE as I was taught. The primordial soup part doesn't add up.

What facts can you adduce that are contrary to the theory of evolution and to the primordial soup hypothesis? Saying that the primordial soup hypothesis 'doesn't add up' is not enough.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don't know why you hung up on the "belief system" It seems you're attaching religious bias toward what I'm saying. Belief system: Most kids believe in Santa Claus then one day catch their parents putting presents under the tree, you reason there is no Santa so you change your belief. Each of us believes in something once weighing the information on everything. You believe the information and have a strong belief that the information is the best explanation, I on the other hand don't believe all the information because of arguments against some of the science.

Laodicean60, if you want to influence folks to think that they're utilizing a "belief system," then it's usually helpful to back up your intended reference with educated definitions to show your audience that they have something to consider. For instance, we might pull something from a PhD in Education to show how certain educated individuals devise and apply definitions for epistemological considerations, such as is seen in the following article in the provided link:

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Belief Systems: Definition, Characteristics & Examples

A belief system is a structured set of principles or tenets held to be true by an individual or larger group. It can contain aspects such as morality, life purpose, or empirical reality (Uso-Domenech &

helpfulprofessor.com

 

[Astrid]

I don't know why you hung up on the "belief system" It seems you're attaching religious bias toward what I'm saying. Belief system: Most kids believe in Santa Claus then one day catch their parents putting presents under the tree, you reason there is no Santa so you change your belief. Each of us believes in something once weighing the information on everything. You believe the information and have a strong belief that the information is the best explanation, I on the other hand don't believe all the information because of arguments against some of the science.

Then quit talking about your " belief systems",
if you don't want it pointed out that you are
making gratuitous claims against others' integrity- while
impeaching your own.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Zero.



My readings include:

• The History of Science, by John Gribbin
• Instant Physics, by Tony Rothman
• What Einstein Told His Barber, by Robert L. Wolke
• Five Equations That Changed The World, by Michael Guillen
• Introduction to Space Technology, text book
• Oceanography, text book
• Chemistry for Dummies, by John T. Moore
• The entire Time-Life Encyclopedia of Zoology -- all 19 volumes (20th was an index)
• Essential Philosophy, by James Mannion
• The Atlas of Past Times, by John Haywood
• The 100 - A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, by Michael H. Hart
• The Trail of Blood, by J. M. Carroll
• God's Voice in the Stars, by Kenneth C. Fleming
• Turmoil in the Toybox, by Phil Phillips
• A Shepherd Looks at Psalm 23, by Phillip Keller

Are all of the authors on this list evolutionists?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are all of the authors on this list evolutionists?

Notice I've added to the list.

And to answer your question: I don't know what they are.

 

[Astrid]

What facts can you adduce that are contrary to the theory of evolution and to the primordial soup hypothesis? Saying that the primordial soup hypothesis 'doesn't add up' is not enough.

Like that's the point of the thread.
A Quest for even one relevant fact.


Here's a fact relevant only to me:

It's very hot and humid here and my nice
new AC died and its 2:30 a.m.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like that's the point of the thread.
A Quest for even one relevant fact.

Missing links.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Missing links.

Which aren't a fact contrary to the theory of evolution.

 

[Laodicean60]

Laodicean60, if you want to influence folks to think that they're utilizing a "belief system,"

I really don't want to influence anyone. I'm just trying to explain myself and don't understand the focus belief system. But I never claimed to be smart.

We all make claims of what we think are true but it all stems from a (your) belief system. This is why I don't argue about something that happened many moons ago; we really don't know.

Maybe the confusion I should have said was "your" belief system. I don't believe I have all the information to believe in ToE.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Maybe the confusion I should have said was "your" belief system. I don't believe I have all the information to believe in ToE.

No-one wants to believe in evolution. It would good if you accepted the science of evolution. See the difference in the wording?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Notice I've added to the list.

And to answer your question: I don't know what they are.

I was only asking for a small handful of books or articles you've read by those whom you know are bona fide evolutionists, not a mix of various positions on evolution.

Anyway, thanks for listing out some books that you've read. I'll just take John Gribbin as a token "yes" that you have read an evolutionist ...

 

[Laodicean60]

What facts can you adduce that are contrary to the theory of evolution and to the primordial soup hypothesis? Saying that the primordial soup hypothesis 'doesn't add up' is not enough.

You guys want information but you can look up the information yourself. I'm sure that you guys are experienced debators on the subject. When you have scientists questioning the primordial soup hypothesis. As long as there are arguments against it I chose not to believe all of it. Ape to man needs more information.