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Tim Walz embellished his military service record

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From the Minnesota Governor's official profile page:

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From the article linked above:

The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Gov. Tim Walz, Kamala Harris' vice presidential running mate, was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including on his official gubernatorial biography.

Why is Walz lying about his rank?
From one of your links, it sounded like he was in a sort of provisional status when he retired which was later revoked when he failed to complete the requirements. If that understanding is accurate, then the way that passage is written is also technically accurate though it does appear to be misleading.

Maybe @RDKirk would care to weigh in?
 
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From the article linked above:

The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Gov. Tim Walz, Kamala Harris' vice presidential running mate, was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including on his official gubernatorial biography.
Why is Walz lying about his rank?

'Citizen soldier' Walz honed leadership in uniform

During his two decades, Walz was part of flood fights, responded to tornadoes and spent months on active duty deployed overseas.

He specialized in heavy artillery and had ribbons for proficiency in sharpshooting and hand grenades, according to military records obtained through an open records request.

Walz acknowledges he never saw combat.

"I know that there are certainly folks that did far more than I did. I know that," Walz said. "I willingly say that I got far more out of the military than they got out of me, from the GI Bill to leadership opportunities to everything else."

By the time Walz left the military, he achieved the rank of command sergeant major, one of the top ranks for an enlisted soldier. Personnel file records show that he was reduced in rank months after retiring, leaving him as a master sergeant for benefits purposes.

Capt. Holly Rockow, a public affairs officer for the Minnesota National Guard, said it is legitimate for Walz to say he served as a command sergeant major. She said the rank changed because Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy along with other requirements associated with his promotion.
 
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Capt. Holly Rockow, a public affairs officer for the Minnesota National Guard, said it is legitimate for Walz to say he served as a command sergeant major. She said the rank changed because Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy along with other requirements associated with his promotion.

Interesting take. Again, I am not at all familiar with military ranks and/or procedures, but if I were "provisionally promoted" at my job with expectations that I would complete additional coursework and then did not do it, I don't think I would feel good about saying that I was promoted, because I didn't do the things required to merit that promotion.

It all sounds kind of shady to me. You know you're going to retire, you know you're not going to complete the coursework required for your provisional promotion, yet you accept and claim the rank knowing you won't complete the requirements. I can see why some veterans find that... less than honest.
 
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I hope this puts an end to the swiftboating.

The good news is that if that's the worst thing the Republicans can find about him, he is even more astonishingly awesome than I previously knew.
 
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nteresting take. Again, I am not at all familiar with military ranks and/or procedures, but if I were "provisionally promoted" at my job with expectations that I would complete additional coursework and then did not do it, I don't think I would feel good about saying that I was promoted, because I didn't do the things required to merit that promotion.

It all sound kind of shady to me. You know you're going to retire, you know you're not going to complete the coursework required for your provisional promotion, yet you accept and claim the rank knowing you won't complete the requirements. I can see why some veterans find that... less than honest.
A veteran can use the title of the rank that they held on the day they last served. If Walz retired as a command sergeant major and was demoted after the fact, then he can legitimately use the title of command sergeant major (retired) unless the demotion is related to disciplinary action. In this case, Walz earned the promotion while serving honorably; any additional requirements that follow do not take away from his achievements.
 
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A veteran can use the title of the rank that they held on the day they last served. If Walz retired as a command sergeant major and was demoted after the fact, then he can legitimately use the title of command sergeant major (retired) unless the demotion is related to disciplinary action. In this case, Walz earned the promotion while serving honorably; any additional requirements that follow do not take away from his achievements.
For veterans of the National Guard that retired, they can only legitimately claim the rank with which they are receiving their retirement pay.
 
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In this case, Walz earned the promotion while serving honorably; any additional requirements that follow do not take away from his achievements.

How so? Even what you posted said this:

the rank changed because Walz retired before completing coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy along with other requirements associated with his promotion.

It would seem to me that Walz did not "earn" the promotion because he didn't compete the requirements for the rank. When you receive something "provisionally" it means there are stipulations. If you fail to meet those stipulations, then you didn't "earn" the rank.
 
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I hope this puts an end to the swiftboating.

The good news is that if that's the worst thing the Republicans can find about him, he is even more astonishingly awesome than I previously knew.
Actually? The very worst thing about Tim Walz are all of his progressive far left policies. The Harris/Walz ticket is the most progressively far left nomination ticket that the Democratic Party has ever had in my opinion.
 
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It would seem to me that Walz did not "earn" the promotion because he didn't compete the requirements for the rank. When you receive something "provisionally" it means there are stipulations. If you fail to meet those stipulations, then you didn't "earn" the rank.
The promotion was first earned. Command sergeant major leadership development courses follow promotion and depending on the unit, a Tactical Commanders Development Program or Brigade Combat Team Commanders Development Course may also be a requirement. Walz retired from the National Guard before completing these courses, so he was demoted for retirement benefit purposes. He was a Command Sergeant Major on his last day of service, so he is eligible for the Command Sergeant Major (Retired) title.
 
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The promotion was first earned.

Provisionally.

The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Gov. Tim Walz, Kamala Harris' vice presidential running mate, was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including on his official gubernatorial biography.
While Walz temporarily held the title of command sergeant major he "retired as a master sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy," Army Lt. Col. Kristen Augé, the Minnesota National Guard’s State Public Affairs Officer, told Just the News.
 
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The promotion was first earned. Command sergeant major leadership development courses follow promotion and depending on the unit, a Tactical Commanders Development Program or Brigade Combat Team Commanders Development Course may also be a requirement. Walz retired from the National Guard before completing these courses, so he was demoted for retirement benefit purposes. He was a Command Sergeant Major on his last day of service, so he is eligible for the Command Sergeant Major (Retired) title.
Wrong once more......
 
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Provisionally.
Walz was promoted to Command Sergeant Major in September 2004 and was a Command Sergeant Major on the day he retired. He would have had to complete the required courses, training, and meet time requirements to be eligible for retirement as a Command Sergeant Major. He retired before meeting these requirements, but this doesn't change the fact that he served as a Command Sergeant Major and earned the right to be titled as such.
 
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I’m willing to entertain the claim that he fudged his rank, but claiming that he “abandoned” his men by retiring nearly a year before they deployed is pretty gross.
This claim that Walz abandoned his Battalion is being made based upon the words and writings of two retired Command Sergeant Majors from the Minnesota Army National Guard. I believe that those 2 men know Tim Walz a LOT BETTER than anyone of us can know him.
 
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Walz was promoted to Command Sergeant Major in September 2004 and was a Command Sergeant Major on the day he retired. He would have had to complete the required courses, training, and meet time requirements to be eligible for retirement as a Command Sergeant Major. He retired before meeting these requirements, but this doesn't change the fact that he served as a Command Sergeant Major and earned the right to be titled as such.

Why are you disputing what the Minnesota National Guard confirmed today? Here's what they said again.

The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Gov. Tim Walz, Kamala Harris' vice presidential running mate, was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including on his official gubernatorial biography.

While Walz temporarily held the title of command sergeant major he "retired as a master sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy," Army Lt. Col. Kristen Augé, the Minnesota National Guard’s State Public Affairs Officer, told Just the News.
 
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Walz was promoted to Command Sergeant Major in September 2004 and was a Command Sergeant Major on the day he retired. He would have had to complete the required courses, training, and meet time requirements to be eligible for retirement as a Command Sergeant Major. He retired before meeting these requirements, but this doesn't change the fact that he served as a Command Sergeant Major and earned the right to be titled as such.
Recently, I got promoted to SFC. However, I will not be allowed to call myself a retired SFC unless I fulfill at least a total of 3 years of time in service as a SFC.
 
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This claim that Walz abandoned his Battalion is being made based upon the words and writings of two retired Command Sergeant Majors from the Minnesota Army National Guard. I believe that those 2 men know Tim Walz a LOT BETTER than anyone of us can know him.
That’s nice. If there’s more to it, they’ve done and exceedingly poor job of articulating their issues with him. As it is, it comes off as partisan moaning. People retire from the military all the time. Some middle aged guy with other ambitions who already retired doesn’t want to get to deployed into a garbage war? Good for him. Go home.
 
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Why are you disputing what the Minnesota National Guard confirmed today? Here's what they said again.

The Minnesota National Guard confirmed Wednesday that Gov. Tim Walz, Kamala Harris' vice presidential running mate, was demoted and did not retire as a command sergeant major like he has claimed for years, including on his official gubernatorial biography.
While Walz
temporarily held the title of command sergeant major he "retired as a master sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy," Army Lt. Col. Kristen Augé, the Minnesota National Guard’s State Public Affairs Officer, told Just the News.
He served as a high-ranking, non-commissioned officer in a field artillery regiment — damaging his ear and hearing to the point of necessitating surgery, according to medical records obtained by Minnesota Public Radio — and reached the rank of command sergeant major. However, he retired one rank lower as a master sergeant “for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy,” Army Lt. Col. Kristen Augé, a spokesperson for the Minnesota National Guard, told Spectrum News in a statement.

In 2018, a spokesperson for the Minnesota National Guard told MPR that it was legitimate for Walz to say he served as a command sergeant major even if he retired at a lower rank.
 
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