Trump tells Christians their 'religion will be in tatters' if Biden wins: 'We answer to God in Heaven'

[rturner76]

It's true scientifically from the beginning.
This apologetics podcast (my favourite!) once did an episode with 10 SECULAR reasons to be pro-life.
I forget how they phrased it, but one is the fact that the day you decide a baby can be terminated - it looks not that much different to the day before, or the day after.

Pro Life

Undeceptions Episode 49: We’re talking about abortion in this episode, weighing up the arguments of the Pro Choice and Pro Life movements.

undeceptions.com

I don't deny that it is wrong to end a potential human life due to my religious beliefs, however science differentiates between a fetus and a baby. Also, I don't believe a human life actually is made manifest until they receive the breath of life from God. Before that it is a potential life, though precious and deserving of being given a chance to be born, the breath of life is what brings forth a new child. Before that, it is a potential life.

 

[rturner76]

4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

These verses do not negate.

• "Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul"

 

[The Barbarian]

If he's not a liar he's a Puerto Rican truck driver who worked as lifeguard while attending black churches and became a college professor who's uncle was eaten by canibals

All politicians lie. The difference is, Trump lies compulsively and constantly.

Trump was never a college professor; his "Trump University" venture was a scam used to defraud his followers who trusted him.

He did attend a black church at least once, but...

And his uncle died of alcoholism-related disorders.

 

[The Barbarian]

Not voting Trump helps Kamala.

And America.

 

[Michie]

It is the beginning of a human life but literal life doesn't begin until we receive the breath of life from God.

Not according to the Church.

 

[rturner76]

Not according to the Church.

I was under the impression that life begins with the breath of life given by the Lord. Otherwise, it is a potential life that is valuable, not alive until the breath of life is given.

 

[Michie]

I was under the impression that life begins with the breath of life given by the Lord. Otherwise, it is a potential life that is valuable, not alive until the breath of life is given.

No there is no teaching like that or the theory of ensoulment. There is much discussion but no official teaching. Catholics believe in the sanctity of life from conception till natural death. That’s the official teaching.

 

[The Barbarian]

No there is no teaching like that or the theory of ensoulment. There is much discussion but no official teaching. Catholics believe in the sanctity of life from conception till natural death. That’s the official teaching.

This makes sense from a scientific viewpoint. At conception, a new, genetically unique individual exists, already male or female. A new organism, a new life. This gives no guidance (which science can never do) as to God's directly action in giving a living soul, but it certainly is consistent with Church teaching.

 

[BPPLEE]

All politicians lie. The difference is, Trump lies compulsively and constantly.

Trump was never a college professor; his "Trump University" venture was a scam used to defraud his followers who trusted him.

He did attend a black church at least once, but...
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And his uncle died of alcoholism-related disorders.

Very funny. Those were all claims of Biden, not Trump.

 

[BPPLEE]

I am also against murdering children. The thing you are confused about is that a fetus is not a child until it is born. A fetus is not a child. A child is a baby that has been born is a child. Before that, it is a fetus. You seem to be confused about the difference between a child and a fetus

It's taking a life no matter how you frame it to try to make it sound better.

 

[The Barbarian]

Very funny. Those were all claims of Biden, not Trump.

Biden University? When did Biden have to pay back millions he defrauded from people?

And for a "black church", there seemed to be a lot of white folks in the pews, no?

 

[rturner76]

No there is no teaching like that or the theory of ensoulment. There is much discussion but no official teaching. Catholics believe in the sanctity of life from conception till natural death. That’s the official teaching.

I'm just going by what the Bible says and while the fetus is sacred and should be protected, we do not possess a soul until God breaths it into us according to Genesis.

 

[rturner76]

It's taking a life no matter how you frame it to try to make it sound better.

Not trying to make it sound "better" but there is religious belief and there is scientific data. Even with religious belief Genesis says we are given the breath of life. A fetus does not have the gift though every fetus has the potential for it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Biden University? When did Biden have to pay back millions he defrauded from people?

And for a "black church", there seemed to be a lot of white folks in the pews, no?

You have no response.

 

[eclipsenow]

Nothing new here. Nothing even distinct....And the same thing goes for you, and your politicians. No matter how many times it is repeated.

So you agree with me that we should not be calling mere Democrats the "Radical Socialist Left?" Thanks!

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm just going by what the Bible says and while the fetus is sacred and should be protected, we do not possess a soul until God breaths it into us according to Genesis.

Where in Genesis does it say that God breaths into people that are born?

 

[rturner76]

Where in Genesis does it say that God breaths into people that are born?

Right here:

Genesis 2:7, KJV, tells us this: “Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Every inhale and exhale of breath is a gift from God. And all of us must breathe in order to live.

Any questions?

 

[BPPLEE]

Right here:

Genesis 2:7, KJV, tells us this: “Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Every inhale and exhale of breath is a gift from God. And all of us must breathe in order to live.

Any questions?

Adam wasn't born. He was created. When his children were born or when anyone was born where does it say that God breathed the breath of life into them?

 

[Michie]

I'm just going by what the Bible says and while the fetus is sacred and should be protected, we do not possess a soul until God breaths it into us according to Genesis.

You as a Catholic are advocating for something the Church does not teach. You are not allowed to be your own pope. Read the Catechism. It might clarify some issues for you. Do you think that those in the womb do not receive oxygen in the womb? We need to be careful of the witness we give. You can’t straddle the fence.

 

[rturner76]

Adam wasn't born. He was created. When his children were born or when anyone was born where does it say that God breathed the breath of life into them?

Are humans that are born not created?