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Trump tells Christians their 'religion will be in tatters' if Biden wins: 'We answer to God in Heaven'

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Trump has told more lies than Biden because he talks a lot more than Biden. But if you could get a percentage of how much of their total statements were lies I bet they would be about the same.
This is possible, of course, but I very much doubt it.

The key point is this: our respective opinions do not really matter, what we need to do is get actual data.
 
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Practicing Catholic until it comes to abortion.
He believes in a secular government. So while he may disagree with abortion for religious reasons, he knows how to separate secular issues from religious ones.
 
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Comes down to evidence. Trump obviously. Biden, not so much.

I'd be open to further evidence, of course.
If he's not a liar he's a Puerto Rican truck driver who worked as lifeguard while attending black churches and became a college professor who's uncle was eaten by canibals
 
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Trump truly believes all Christians are chumps. A voting block to be soft-soaped into guaranteeing his election.

Paying homage to Jesus as being more popular than himself, hawking a Bible with an American flag on it, or any other pretense can't obscure what he revealed in this short vid - in which he essentially spits on the atoning sacrifice of Christ, and calls God a liar.


I don't know if I can hold my nose and vote for his admitted superior dedication (in comparison to Biden) to protecting religious freedom and placing conservative appointments. I am really torn. Is voting for the lesser of two evils truly representing my devotion to my Lord? I'm seriously considering violating my civic duty for the first time in years and not voting at all. It just galls me to contemplate one getting away with conning God's children.

I dunno... just praying for wisdom about it all.
Not voting Trump helps Kamala.
 
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He believes in a secular government. So while he may disagree with abortion for religious reasons, he knows how to separate secular issues from religious ones.
I’m personally against murdering children, but I don’t think it should be illegal.

Women should have the right to choose to kill their children, though I could never kill my own.

Killing children is wrong, but the government should not legislate morality.

We should not force our religious beliefs on those who want to kill infants.
 
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He's talking about people's religious freedom, not about anyone's personal faith.
We have religious freedom -- we can each and every one of us go to a church (or other religion) whenever we want -- it's already a fact for us here, in America.

So, what does it mean when someone tries to make us think we cannot have our religion (or that it would be in 'tatters') -- Christianity -- if someone else gets elected instead of himself?....

It means he is trying to make himself our religion.
 
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I’m personally against murdering children, but I don’t think it should be illegal.

Women should have the right to choose to kill their children, though I could never kill my own.

Killing children is wrong, but the government should not legislate morality.

We should not force our religious beliefs on those who want to kill infants.
First of all, you are completely confused about what a child and what a fetus is. Even liberals are against killing children. Aborting a fetus is a completely different act than killing a child. Once you figure out how words are defined, Do you actually understand the difference between an embryo, a fetus, and a baby? Until you understand the definitions of these words, you will remain confused.

Knowing what words mean is very important when using them. Do you have any interest in using words according to their definition, or would prefer to assign your own definitions to words in the English language?
 
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I’m personally against murdering children, but I don’t think it should be illegal.

Women should have the right to choose to kill their children, though I could never kill my own.

Killing children is wrong, but the government should not legislate morality.

We should not force our religious beliefs on those who want to kill infants.
I am also against murdering children. The thing you are confused about is that a fetus is not a child until it is born. A fetus is not a child. A child is a baby that has been born is a child. Before that, it is a fetus. You seem to be confused about the difference between a child and a fetus
 
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I am also against murdering children. The thing you are confused about is that a fetus is not a child until it is born. A fetus is not a child. A child is a baby that has been born is a child. Before that, it is a fetus. You seem to be confused about the difference between a child and a fetus
Catholics believe life begins at conception. A fetus is a developing child. It’s human life from conception.
 
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First of all, you are completely confused about what a child and what a fetus is. Even liberals are against killing children. Aborting a fetus is a completely different act than killing a child. Once you figure out how words are defined, Do you actually understand the difference between an embryo, a fetus, and a baby? Until you understand the definitions of these words, you will remain confused.

Knowing what words mean is very important when using them. Do you have any interest in using words according to their definition, or would prefer to assign your own definitions to words in the English language?
Fetus just means “little human”, but ur using it in an attempt to dehumanize it. I’m saying killing a fetus is the moral equivalent of killing a child, since all life has value. Also the Bible says woman is pregnant with child, so God views the “fetus” as a child, he doesn’t care what some random secular dictionary claims.
 
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Catholics believe life begins at conception. A fetus is a developing child. It’s human life from conception.
That's true from a religious standpoint but not a legal or scientific standpoint
 
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The Marxist left are against Christianity. He is not lying....
Show me the Marxists?
The Democrats would be further right than our Australian Liberal party because they don't even promote Medicare for all like we have down here in "Radical Socialist Communist Australia!" :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Just because Trump repeats something 666,000 times from his 'pulpit' - doesn't make it true!
 
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That's true from a religious standpoint but not a legal or scientific standpoint
It's true scientifically from the beginning.
This apologetics podcast (my favourite!) once did an episode with 10 SECULAR reasons to be pro-life.
I forget how they phrased it, but one is the fact that the day you decide a baby can be terminated - it looks not that much different to the day before, or the day after.
 
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Show me the Marxists?
The Democrats would be further right than our Australian Liberal party because they don't even promote Medicare for all like we have down here in "Radical Socialist Communist Australia!" :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Just because Trump repeats something 666,000 times from his 'pulpit' - doesn't make it true!
Nothing new here. Nothing even distinct....And the same thing goes for you, and your politicians. No matter how many times it is repeated.
 
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Fetus just means “little human”, but ur using it in an attempt to dehumanize it. I’m saying killing a fetus is the moral equivalent of killing a child, since all life has value. Also the Bible says woman is pregnant with child, so God views the “fetus” as a child, he doesn’t care what some random secular dictionary claims.
It's not random but it is scientific. When it comes to science, there is a difference between a fetus and a baby. I do agree that morally according to my religion, it is wrong to end the life of a fetus. I just want to clarify that there is a difference between religious belief and scientific fact.
 
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It is a human life from the beginning.
It is the beginning of a human life but literal life doesn't begin until we receive the breath of life from God.
 
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It is the beginning of a human life but literal life doesn't begin until we receive the breath of life from God.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
 
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