Harris has picked the socialism-praising governor of Minnesota as her running mate to create the most far-left ticket in American history

[civilwarbuff]

I am sure a lot of people here have seen (I haven't so no spoilers please) the movie 'Dumb and Dumber'. We are witnessing the making of a new movie starring Harris & Walz. It is titled 'Weird & Weirder'. Coming soon to an election booth near you.

 

[RoBo1988]

Funny enough she either does not know history or she was not thinking about EVs when she picked him; since if I remember correctly MN has voted for dems in presidental elections for decades. Yet one of the big things with the PA governor was him being from a swing state where people may actually use that as a tie breaker of sorts.

The anti Israel folks were against Shapiro being VP.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The anti Israel folks were against Shapiro being VP.

still does not change the fact that PA is a swing state and she would be more likely therefore to get addtional EVS with that pick as is those people would more than likely vote for her anyway.

 

[RoBo1988]

still does not change the fact that PA is a swing state and she would be more likely therefore to get addtional EVS with that pick as is those people would more than likely vote for her anyway.

And Minnesota is the home of a large Muslim population, as well as Rep Ilian Omar.

I think they sent a message...

 

[loveofourlord]

And in europe they are far right, the us is weird.

 

[wing2000]

And Minnesota is the home of a large Muslim population, as well as Rep Ilian Omar.

I think they sent a message...

It seems to me you are sending a message.

Do we want an America where every person is free to worship whom they please? Or an America, where religious minorities are villanized? An America where one's relgious back ground are grounds for entering the country, or becoming a citizen?

I know the America I want. It's the America that liberated itself from a King and his state empowered religion. It's an America where respect for religious freedom is a core value.

 

[RoBo1988]

It seems to me you are sending a message.

Do we want an America where every person is free to worship whom they please? Or an America, where religious minorities are villanized? An America where one's relgious back ground are grounds for entering the country, or becoming a citizen?

I know the America I want. It's the America that liberated itself from a King and his state empowered religion. It's an America where respect for religious freedom is a core value.

I think it's more of a foreign policy message, than a religious freedom message.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So he didn't give out free fish to the crowd?

Did I miss the parable about free-market capitalism?

Someone had to bring the loaves and fishes. So technically it was not completely free.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Did I miss the parable about free-market capitalism?

It is called the parable of the talents.

 

[wing2000]

Someone had to bring the loaves and fishes. So technically it was not completely free.

That's not what I read in scripture....you may want to take a look.

 

[wing2000]

As I wrote on the other existing thread:


I look forward to the VP debate (assuming there is one).

The pretend hillibilly, Venture capatilist with a Harvard degree vs the public high school teacher/coach, Army NG Master Sergeant (enlisted at age 17), Congressman and Governor.

"Like all the regular peple I grew up with....."

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Bring it on JD....or is it "JV"?

 

[iluvatar5150]

"Like all the regular peple I grew up with....."

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Bring it on JD....or is it "JV"?

He's a bit hammy for my tastes, but that couch joke was funnier than it deserved to be.

I’m glad Dems finally have some pols able to deliver zingers.

 

[JSRG]

Funny enough she either does not know history or she was not thinking about EVs when she picked him; since if I remember correctly MN has voted for dems in presidental elections for decades. Yet one of the big things with the PA governor was him being from a swing state where people may actually use that as a tie breaker of sorts.

Minnesota last voted Democrat in 1972 and thus is the state the least recently voted Republican (even in Ronald Reagan's crushing victory in 1984, Minnesota was the only state that didn't vote for him). That said, even though it constantly ends up voting Democrat, there were some elections where the Republican was close to winning, like how Hillary only beat Trump by 1.5% in 2016. So it's a state that's at least theoretically in play.

However, in regards to the larger question of trying to win a swing state with a vice presidential candidate, that doesn't actually seem to be a common strategy. Here's the breakdown of 2020 through 2000:

2020:
Neither Pence (Ohio) nor Harris (California) were from swing states.

2016:
Pence was not from a swing state, though Tim Kaine (from Virginia) was. Hillary did narrowly win Virginia so perhaps that did help, though she lost the election overall.

2012:
Biden was from Delaware, not a swing state. Paul Ryan (Republican VP) was from the swing state of Wisconsin, though he was just a representative and thus was never elected by the state as a whole. Despite Ryan, Romney lost Wisconsin.

2008:
Biden as noted above was not from a swing state. Sarah Palin (Republican VP) was from Alaska, which was not a swing state due to heavily favoring Republicans.

2004:
This is a bit of an odd one. Up until now we've seen cases where a vice president is from a swing state or is from a non-swing state that strongly favors their party. But John Kerry chose John Edwards, a Democrat from the heavily Republican-leaning North Carolina, as his running mate. Now, starting with the 2008 election the presidential elections in North Carolina have all been fairly close (the largest win was when Trump won it by 3.76% in 2016, and the narrowest win was Obama winning by 0.32% in 2008), so it could be considered a swing state now. But this was back in 2004. Up until this point, Republicans won it every presidential election since 1980, including a killer showing in 2000 where they won by more than 13%. Perhaps Kerry thought that Edwards, who had been elected to the Senate position in North Carolina in 1998 (Edwards didn't run for re-election due to focusing on his presidential bid, which he lost but did cause Kerry to choose him as VP), would allow him to win the state. It didn't work out, though, with Bush smashing Kerry in North Carolina 56.02% to 43.58%. As for the Republicans, Dick Cheney is from Wyoming, which is decidedly not a swing state, being one of the most staunch Republican states in the country.

2000:
We discussed Cheney above. Liebermann, the Democratic VP, was a Senator from Connecticut, which was not a swing state and is strongly Democrat.

So when we tally them all up, in 2000 through 2020, 9 of the 12 vice presidents were from states more or less guaranteed to go for their presidential candidate already. Vice presidents don't seem to be picked much for trying to "win over" their home state. And of the 3 that weren't, 2 of them were from states that the presidential candidate ended up losing (and for that matter, in all 3 cases, they lost the overall election regardless of whether they won their state), so it doesn't seem to be a particularly effective campaign strategy.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

That's what I read in scripture....you may want to take a look.

I checked it out. The miracle cost someone 5 loaves of bread and two fish.

 

[variant]

What a socialist monster...his state provides tuition for college and free breakfest/lunchs for school kids.

It must be a complete socialist hellscape.

 

[Bradskii]

Kamala Harris has picked the socialism-praising governor of Minnesota as her running mate to create the most far-left ticket in American history

Here we go, kids:

notthebee.com

As a Christian, all I can say is “Yikes!”

I've just spent a couple of hours listening to him speak. Just so that you'll know and so that it won't come as a surprise down the track...you guys are in trouble.

 

[eclipsenow]

Kamala Harris has picked the socialism-praising governor of Minnesota as her running mate to create the most far-left ticket in American history

Here we go, kids:

notthebee.com

As a Christian, all I can say is “Yikes!”

As a Christian, all I can say is "Yikes!" - when are Republican Christians going to read outside their own echo-chambers!

 

[eclipsenow]

No it doesn’t. Governments don’t produce income. That money comes from people.

Um, if you read some economics about how money comes into existence - Central Banks authorised by the government actually do print money. Google Modern Monetary Theory. Tax is a way of saving some space in the REAL economy of goods and labour and services for the government to come in and buy stuff - otherwise we would buy it all.

So it's not "Taxpayer's money" at all.
It's more like I ask a crowd who wants my business cards? No one really cares. Then I say "Hey - look at the exits to this fine auditorium - those guys with guns are mine. It costs 2 business cards to go home. Now - who wants my business cards? You'll need to work half an hour per card."

It's literally a thing.

Hut tax - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hammster]

I've just spent a couple of hours listening to him speak. Just so that you'll know and so that it won't come as a surprise down the track...you guys are in trouble.

I’m never in trouble.

 

[Hammster]

As a Christian, all I can say is "Yikes!" - when are Republican Christians going to read outside their own echo-chambers!

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