The Church started in the wilderness

[Bro.T]

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.

The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period. This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convaction on and it’s not written in the Bible.

Let’s go into the future and see what the Lord expects in the future concerning his Sabbaths. Let turn to Isaiah 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Now, we in the future in Jesus kingdom, what we call the millennium period where Christ will reign for a thousands years, this is that day of rest and it represent a Sabbath day. Even though it's a 1000 yrs, it's as one day, because in 2 Peter 3: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[JulieB67]

The Sabbath has nothing to do with going to church regardless whether it be Saturday or Sunday. We should be worshipping and honoring God everyday just as our rest should be in Christ 24/7.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Sabbath has nothing to do with going to church regardless whether it be Saturday or Sunday. We should be worshipping and honoring God everyday just as our rest should be in Christ 24/7.

According to Jesus we don't worship Him by breaking God's commandments.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Sunday is a tradition of man- keeping the Sabbath day holy is a commandment of God. Exo 20:8-11 written by the finger of God. Exo 31:18 Exo 34:28

Jesus kept the Sabbath by going to the temples (church) Luke 4:16 as did the apostles Acts 18:4- Jesus is our example 1 John 2:6 God knows we need physical rest from work and spiritual rest in God which is what the Sabbath provides- a full day to put aside all secular works and keep our focus on honoring God. Isa 58:13. We should worship God every day, but that would include keeping all of God's commandments.

 

[JulieB67]

According to Jesus we don't worship Him by breaking God's commandments.

Not that you have any credibility left with me after changing God's word in the last thread I posted to you but I'll respond. We aren't breaking the Sabbath by entering into Christ's rest.

I keep seeing that many of you ask where does it state Christ's become our Sabbath and I would just have to ask, what on earth do you think rest means??

Hebrews 4 makes very clear that it's His rest that is what we enter in. It's not the Sabbaton which is simply stating the 7th day of the week. Why would Christ be called a day of the week in the NT? Which is what Sabbaton -translated Sabbath is? He wouldn't be called a day of the week.

He is our rest though and the English translators got that correct. The subject in Hebrews 4:1 starts with His rest and it ends in verses 10'/11 with His rest. That's the subject and that's the rest that remains that one must enter into -sabbatimos. Not sabbaton.

Again, it can't be spelled out any clearer. Even down to God resting after work so should we enter into His rest after ceasing from ours. That is what Sabbath means in essence. It doesn't have to state Christ is our Sabbath because again, the Greek word for Sabbath in the NT is a day of the week. All it has to state is "His rest" which is what sabbath/shebbat means. God rested. It doesn't state God sabbathed in the NT. That makes no sense but that is what you all are trying to say is not there. You act as if it has be to spelled out in the words -Christ became our Sabbath. But again Sabbath in the NT is sabbaton and that means the 7th day of the week, the weekly repose. It is the day of rest. It isn't the rest it's self.
But it does state His rest.

I know I'm being quite repetitive but no more than anyone else's that repeats the same arguments.

People really need to look up the word sabbaton instead of just continually glossing over it. And then you would see why Christ is not called the Sabbath in the NT. He is Lord of the Sabbath but Christ can't be limited to a day of the week. and would not be called that.

You want the NT to state in essence "Christ became our 7th day of the week" Because again, that's what Sabbath means in the NT. But it all boils down to "rest"

Sunday is a tradition of man- keeping the Sabbath day holy is a commandment of God. Exo 20:8-11 written by the finger of God. Exo 31:18 Exo 34:28

Yes, I agree about Sunday. I don't think it's the mark of the beast but Sunday worship is definitely a tradition of men. Again, we are to worship and assembly whenever one chooses. That's what the freedom in Christ brings. The early churches met wherever and whenever.

Jesus kept the Sabbath by going to the temples (church) Luke 4:16 as did the apostles

Christ had not died/risen yet and the apostles usually taught on Sabbaths/7th days because that's where the crowds would be. But the disciples/apostles did not teach anyone to "observe" the Sabbath after Christ that's the point. God made the sabbath/day of rest for man and it was only the shadow of what was to come in the form of Christ's rest.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not that you have any credibility left with me after changing God's word in the last thread I posted to you but I'll respond. We aren't breaking the Sabbath by entering into Christ's rest

Never changed anything, happy to share the post in question Sabbath keeping The Sabbath rest is on the seventh day according to God Exo 20:10, we enter into Christ rests through faith Heb 4:2- which means there is no disobedience to Him including the Sabbath commandment.

I keep seeing that many of you ask where does it state Christ's become our Sabbath and I would just have to ask, what on earth do you think rest means??

Rest does not mean Christ- rest is the creation, something Christ gives- Christ is our Creator. There is no scripture that says Christ became the creation.

Hebrews 4 makes very clear that it's His rest that is what we enter in. It's not the Sabbaton which is simply stating the 7th day of the week. Why would Christ be called a day of the week in the NT? Which is what Sabbaton -translated Sabbath is? He wouldn't be called a day of the week.

He is our rest though and the English translators got that correct. The subject in Hebrews 4:1 starts with His rest and it ends in verses 10'/11 with His rest. That's the subject and that's the rest that remains that one must enter into -sabbatimos. Not sabbaton.

Again, it can't be spelled out any clearer. Even down to God resting after work so should we enter into His rest after ceasing from ours. That is what Sabbath means in essence. It doesn't have to state Christ is our Sabbath because again, the Greek word for Sabbath in the NT is a day of the week. All it has to state is "His rest" which is what sabbath/shebbat means. God rested. It doesn't state God sabbathed in the NT. That makes no sense but that is what you all are trying to say is not there. You act as if it has be to spelled out in the words -Christ became our Sabbath. But again Sabbath in the NT is sabbaton and that means the 7th day of the week, the weekly repose. It is the day of rest. It isn't the rest it's self.
But it does state His rest.

I know I'm being quite repetitive but no more than anyone else's that repeats the same arguments.

People really need to look up the word sabbaton instead of just continually glossing over it. And then you would see why Christ is not called the Sabbath in the NT. He is Lord of the Sabbath but Christ can't be limited to a day of the week. and would not be called that.

You want the NT to state in essence "Christ became our 7th day of the week" Because again, that's what Sabbath means in the NT. But it all boils down to "rest"

Yes, I agree about Sunday. I don't think it's the mark of the beast but Sunday worship is definitely a tradition of men. Again, we are to worship and assembly whenever one chooses. That's what the freedom in Christ brings. The early churches met wherever and whenever.

Christ had not died/risen yet and the apostles usually taught on Sabbaths/7th days because that's where the crowds would be. But the disciples/apostles did not teach anyone to "observe" the Sabbath after Christ that's the point. God made the sabbath/day of rest for man and it was only the shadow of what was to come in the form of Christ's rest.

Repeating the same error doesn't help anyone. Nor is this responsive to what Jesus said about keeping God's commandments over keeping our own traditions of men. No scripture says that Christ became a day or a commandment. He in His Own Words said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mar 2:28 (Creator) not that He is the Sabbath (creation). Its really a sad teaching. Nor does it make sense in NT scripture such as Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Mat 24:20 that was decades after His Cross- nothing could change to His covenant at His Cross- it is finished.


The Sabbath is a commandment of God- this argument is not with me, I pray one day you will see that. God's people keep God's commandments through love and faith 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 Rom 3:31

 

[JulieB67]

Never changed anything,

Yes, you did. I asked you if the "rest" in verse 1 of Hebrews 4 is called the gospel in verse 2 and you said yes, that's what it says. That is not true as I pointed out. That's how far you and others push your doctrines -to point of changing the Word and adding to the Word.

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

It does not state the rest itself is called the gospel. Again that is not true. You are changing God's word by stating that. And you even stated "yes, that's what is says. When it does not.

Rest does not mean Christ- rest is the creation- Christ is our Creator. There is no scripture that says Christ became the creation

Rest is not the creation. Now you're really going off on something....When you have no answer this is what you do. The subject was rest/sabbath. Christ is where we find our rest. As noted in Hebrews 4. Why would it have to state Christ is our creation to simply state Christ is the rest that we enter into which is what shabbat comes from. Rest.

But according to you, rest is the gospel, rest is the creation. Do you have another another one to add?

I asked you honest questions because many of your arguments are "The NT does not state that Christ became our Sabbath" and you responded with this?? And yet I'm in error?

not that He is the Sabbath

Which I laid out the reasons why he is not called that in the NT. All of which you ignored.

Its really a sad teaching

And changing God's word to suit your own doctrine is not? Not only sad but pretty scary when one does that. I can see where one has different understandings/interpretations and so on but to actually state that something is there when it's plainly not is quite different.

Repeating the same error doesn't help anyone

But changing God's word does and not answering my questions about Sabbaton/7th day of the week which is the thing that is so important to you does. Got it!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes, you did. I asked you if the "rest" in verse 1 of Hebrews 4 is called the gospel in verse 2 and you said yes, that's what it says. That is not true as I pointed out. That's how far you and others push your doctrines -to point of changing the Word and adding to the Word.

Hebrews 4:2 "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

It does not state the rest itself is called the gospel. Again that is not true. You are changing God's word by stating that.


Rest is not the creation. Now you're really going off on something....When you have no answer this is what you do. The subject was rest/sabbath. Christ is where we find our rest. As noted in Hebrews 4. Why would it have to state Christ is our creation to simply state Christ is the rest that we enter into which is what shabbat comes from. Rest.

But according to you, rest is the gospel, rest is the creation. Do you have another another one to add?

I asked you honest questions because many of your arguments are "The NT does not state that Christ became our Sabbath" and you responded with this?? And yet I'm in error?


Which I laid out the reasons why he is not called that in the NT. All of which you ignored.


And changing God's word to suit your own doctrine is not? Not only sad but pretty scary when one does that. I can see where one has different understandings/interpretations and so on but to actually state that something is there when it's plainly not is quite different.



But changing God's word does and not answering my questions about Sabbaton/7th day of the week which is the thing that is so important to you does. Got it!

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Christ gives rest, He is not rest, the creation. We enter His rest (that He gives) through faith Heb 4:2. Those with faith uphold His law Rom 3:31 and keep His commandments because of faith Rev 14:12 and love 1 John 5:3

No scripture says Jesus is the Sabbath, a day, or a commandment or the creation. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Mat 2:28 because He Created the Sabbath and all heaven and earth Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 and tells us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8-11 and we are to live by His every Word Mat 4:4

 

[JulieB67]

There is no scripture that says Christ became the creation.

I never said it did. You brought creation into the mix.

No scripture says Jesus is the Sabbath, a day, or a commandment or the creation. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Mat 2:28 because He Created the Sabbath and tells us to keep Exo 20:8-11 and we are to live by His every Word Mat 4:4

Ok, I'll play your game. There is no scripture that states the rest is called the gospel. There is no scripture that states the rest is creation but that doesn't stop you does it? I'm starting to think you make this stuff up as you go along.

Where are the scriptures for those, just those, you don't have to post anything that doesn't have to do with just those verses pointing out those facts.

Where is the scripture that states the rest is called the gospel?

Where is the scripture that states the rest is creation?

There are scriptures though that pertain to His rest and that's the rest that remains that we enter into as noted by Hebrews 4. We are not just pulling it out of nowhere like you are doing.

No scripture says Jesus is the Sabbath,

I've already posted why there is no scripture calling him that which you ignored. That's what most of my post was about surrounding that very issue.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ok, I'll play your game. There is no scripture that states the rest is called the gospel. There is no scripture that states the rest is creation but that doesn't stop you does it? I'm starting to think you make this stuff up as you go along.

Where are the scriptures for those, just those, you don't have to post anything that doesn't have to do with just those verses pointing out those facts.

Where is the scripture that states the rest is called the gospel?

Where is the scripture that states the rest is creation?

There are scriptures though that pertain to His rest and that's the rest that remain that we enter into as noted by Hebrews 4. We are not just pulling it out of nowhere like you are doing.


I've already posted why there is no scripture calling him that which you ignored.

Sorry you think sharing God’s Word is a game, its not for me.

I hope the scripture that you claim says Jesus turned into the Sabbath commandment has a thus saith the Lord, because countermanding what God said, in His own Words that He spoke and wrote Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 on His Authority as there is no Greater.

God wrote and spoke these Words:
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

God said:
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Jesus said:
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Jesus has not come in the clouds and heaven and earth are still here.


I knows what your teaching sounds good to itching ears, but it is not in harmony with what God said. If you can produce a thus saith the Lord that Jesus became the 7th day and we can now keep His holy day as a common day, please share, but this is what Jesus said in His own Words that happens when we do this.

Eze 22:26 6 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

God changes not. Either does His commandments Mat 5:19 the way He wrote and He spoke because He is God Eze 20:20, the Creator Exo 20:11 and we are the creation Gen 1:26 , and are to serve Him Isa 56:1-6 and live by His every Word. Mat 4:4

In order to make your interpretation work, how much needs to be edited from scripture- these are scriptures decades after the Cross. Nothing can be changed after He ratified His covenant. He said in His own Words that He would not alter His Words. Psa 89:34

Jesus said:
Referring to decades after His death about His people still keeping the Sabbath.

Mat 24:20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

To make your interpretation fit

Mat 24: 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. Jesus

There are dozens of scriptures that show the apotles keeping the Sabbath in the NT as they were commissioned to observe everything Jesus commanded

Acts 18: 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath Jesus, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

And the Sabbath still being kept in the New Heaven and New Earth
Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath Jesus to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

It makes no sense because its not true.

Its best to let God be God and obey Him the way He asks Exo 20:8-11, hence why He said not even a dot of an i can pass from His law- like something written by the finger of God could ever be edited man. I guess it’s a matter of who is our authority.

 

[JulieB67]

Sorry you think sharing God’s Word is a game, its not for me.

It was a light figure of speech. Would you rather me accuse you of the blatant hypocrisy by which you post? I was trying to be light about it. You claim "there is no scripture for that", etc and yet turn around and post things that are not scriptural. Can't you see how devious that is? Obviously you can't, no offense. But not only that, they were false statements.
I am talking about Christ's rest and why he would not be called a day of the week, the 7th day of the week.

And I don't believe you are sharing God's word, unless you have another bible/God's Word.


Where is the scripture that states the rest is called the gospel?

Where is the scripture that states the rest is creation?

Those aren't in my bible but Christ rest is.

. If you can produce a thus saith the Lord that Jesus became the 7th day

Again, I posted why. Jesus would not be called the 7th day. He is not a day. So why would he be called that? This all boils down to rest. What do you think rest meant? It's certainly not the gospel, it's not creation as you posted it was. (scriptures) It means rest. It meant to cease, stop, etc. Obviously you don't think Christ's rest is enough.

And you obviously don't believe this verse-

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

There are dozens of scriptures that show the apotles keeping the Sabbath in the NT as they were commissioned to observe everything Jesus commanded

Preaching the gospel does not mean the were keeping the sabbath day. Again, they preached on those days but it's not the same thing.

Mat 24:20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

To make your interpretation fit

Mat 24: 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. Jesus

Sabbath is again the 7th day of the week. Christ would not be called that as I already posted. And I'm sure many will still see that as the 7th day, like you do. This verse simply means that we should not be harvested out of season. Harvest takes place in the spring or summer you don't want to be harvested in the winter. If your flight is on the Sabbath, well you can only travel 1 mile right? That's not enough to get out of there where Satan/his gang will be ruling at that time but that's not for this thead...

This is about rest, the rest he provided afterwards. Sabbaton as utilized in Matthew 24:20 is still a day of the week. No one is calling Christ a day of the week. That's the point. It's the rest that he provides which is what the sabbath was created for and was a shadow to come which is Christ.

Isa 66:23 And from one Sabbath Jesus to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord."

Isaiah spoke in a language all could understand. Moon is month and sabbath to sabbath is week. It means -month to month and week to week -non ending.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It was a light figure of speech. Would you rather me accuse you of the blatant hypocrisy by which you post? I was trying to be light about it. You claim "there is no scripture for that", etc and yet turn around and post things that are not scriptural. Can't you see how devious that is? Obviously you can't, no offense. But not only that, they were false statements.
I am talking about Christ's rest and why he would not be called a day of the week, the 7th day of the week.

And I don't believe you are sharing God's word, unless you have another bible/God's Word.


Where is the scripture that states the rest is called the gospel?

Where is the scripture that states the rest is creation?

Those aren't in my bible but Christ rest is.


Again, I posted why. Jesus would not be called the 7th day. He is not a day. So he would not be called that? This all boils down to rest. What do you think rest meant? It's certainly not the gospel, it's not creation as you posted it was. (scriptures) It means rest. It meant to cease, stop, etc. Obviously you don't think Christ's rest is enough.

And you obviously don't believe this verse-

Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."




Preaching the gospel does not mean the were keeping the sabbath day. Again, they preached on those days but it's not the same thing.


Sabbath is again the 7th day of the week. Christ would not be called that as I already posted. And I'm sure many will still see that as the 7th day, like you do. This verse simply means that we should not be harvested out of season. Harvest takes place in the spring or harvest you don't want to be harvested in the winter. If your flight is on the Sabbath, well you can only travel 1 mile right? That's not enough to get out of there where Satan/his gang will be ruling at that time but that's not for this thead...

This is about rest, the rest he provided afterwards. Sabbaton as utilized in Matthew 24:20 is still a day of the week. No one is calling Christ a day of the week. That's the point. It's the rest that he provides which is what the sabbath was created for and was a shadow to come which is Christ.

Julie said:

You want the NT to state in essence "Christ became our 7th day of the week" Because again, that's what Sabbath means in the NT.

No it doesn't and nor does any text say that Jesus is the Sabbath, 7th day of the week, or a day or rest. Jesus said in His own Words- He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 not that He is the sabbath


This is what is the definition of rest in Hebrews 4:10 and most of Hebrews 4 with the exception of Hebrews 4:9NIV because there are two rests being referred to in Hebrews 4, not one.

katapausis: rest
Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katapausis
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis)
Definition: rest
Usage: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation.

No where does it say Jesus is rest. Not in the literal definition, not in scripture. He gives rest, He is not rest, or the Sabbath which God said is the seventh day Exo 20:10

Jesus gives us rest, we enter His rest through faith. Heb 4:2 Those with faith keep God's commandments. Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12 including the Sabbath commandment, just as Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 John 15:10 and is our example to follow 1 John 2:6

Again, Jesus is not a day of the week and no one is saying he is. That's my entire point. Why would he be called that? Why would he be called sabbaton? It's the rest.


Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord."

Isaiah spoke in a language all could understand. Moon is month and sabbath to sabbath is week. It means -month to month and week to week -non ending.

First you say the Sabbath is Jesus now it is week. God said the Sabbath is the seventh day Exo 20:10

You seem to be omitting the word Sabbath for some reason when the scriptures didn't. From one Sabbath to another. From week to week on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh day thus saith the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 and the Sabbath rest in the NT is still according to the commandment Luke 23:56

Guess we will have to agree to disagree- all gets sorted out soon enough. I do wish you well in seeking Truth to God's Word.

 

[JulieB67]

No it doesn't and nor does any text say that Jesus is the Sabbath, 7th day of the week, or a day or rest. Jesus said in His own Words- He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 not that He is the sabbath

Read what I said again, I said "You" want it to state that. Meaning you want that as proof. And I said he would not be called a day of the week. Because that's what the Sabbath meant in the NT -Sabbaton -the weekly repose. I don't think you're understanding me very well which is hard sometimes online.

No where does it say Jesus is rest. Not in the literal definition, not in scripture.

There you go again. Where does it state the gospel is called rest or the creation is rest? Yet you claimed they were. You keep ignoring this I noticed btw.

Jesus gives us our rest, that's the entire point.

This is what is the definition of rest in Hebrews 4:10

katapausis: rest
Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katapausis
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis)
Definition: rest
Usage: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation.

At least you got that right instead of stating the rest is called the gospel and the rest is creation.
Ever read John 14? You would see than that Christ is definitely that dwelling place that we find now. That's what abode/dwelling, etc is all about.

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because It seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

Jesus gives us rest, we enter His rest through faith.

That's the point. No one is stating he became a day of the week but his rest is the rest that remains, not the weekly one. Sabbaton is not in Hebrews 4:9.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Read what I said again, I said "You" want it to state that.

Weird you will only see me quoting and advocating what God said over and over, so not what I want it to say because its not about me or you but about what God said:

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God.

I asked you to show where it says Jesus is the Sabbath which would need a thus saith the Lord since God said He would not alter His Words Psa 89:34 and no one is above Him. Jesus becoming the sabbath by God's definition turns Him into the seventh day and a commandment. Which is why Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath- He is the Creator of the Sabbath, not that He ever became the creation.

You would see than that Christ is definitely that dwelling place that we find now. That's what abode/dwelling, etc is all about. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; Whom the world cannot receive, because It seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

Jesus gave it as conditional, which for some reason the condition was omitted.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Which still does not make Him the Sabbath commandment, Him dwelling in us through His Spirit changes nothing about the Sabbath commandment except that this is a conditional promise based on loving Him which if so, one would keep His commandments, the Sabbath is one of God's commandments, personal written on His Authority the way He wrote it and said no edits Deut 4:2 Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18.

 

[JulieB67]

Weird you will only see me quoting and advocating what God said over and over, so not what I want it to say because its not about me or you but about what God said:

You still didn't understand my point but that's ok I'm not going to go down that road again.

I asked you to show where it says Jesus is the Sabbath

I never said Jesus was the actual Sabbaton in the NT which is a day of the week although you keep asking me that. Sabbath comes from rest and that's the point. I said His rest is that rest that remains. It's His rest that we enter in after we believe. And when we do enter his rest we cease from our own works just as God did his. That is scriptural. Jesus cannot be called a day of the week. When I state he became our Sabbath rest, I'm not talking about the weekly day of the week. I'm talking about the rest that remained for the people -sabbatimos. Which I've already stated numerous times. But the words would be His rest. It's sad that some can't grasp the simplicity in that teaching. Hebrews 4 is all about that rest, not the weekly rest.

And I asked you to show me where it states that rest is called the gospel and that rest is creation.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

His commandments are that we are to love him with all our hearts, soul and mind. That's a constant, not one day a week and to love our neighbors as ourselves. You think others are breaking the Sabbath commandment but have no problem with stating things that are not found in the Word of God at all. Again, where is the scripture that states that rest is called the gospel and that rest is creation?

At least I answered everything and gave reasons why I believe the way I do. You just make up stuff on the spot and believe that's ok and that we're sharing the Word of God. No, you're not.

Which is worst? Adding to God's Word or believing someone is breaking the sabbath?. Something that everyone should be persuaded in their own minds about and told not to be judged about. If you want to esteem the 7th day, fine but to claim others are breaking that commandment is wrong when in their hearts and minds they don't believe that be the case as you do. As Romans states we are to be persuaded in our own minds. God is the judge. I would rather be persuaded by what I've read then to just add to the Word of God as you do. I wouldn't want to be judged over that. At least God knows my heart and mind.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You still didn't understand my point but that's ok I'm not going to go down that road again.

I never said Jesus was the actual Sabbaton in the NT which is a day of the week although you keep asking me that. Sabbath comes from rest and that's the point. I said His rest is that rest that remains. It's His rest that we enter in after we believe. And when we do enter his rest we cease from our own works just as God did his. That is scriptural. Jesus cannot be called a day of the week.

Basically you are trying to redefine something God already defined. Exo 20:10 Something God told us not to. Psa 89:34 Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18

The Sabbath rest remains for God's people. Heb 4:9NIV

The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 God said in the Sabbath commandment the Sabbath is the seventh day. Exo 20:10. God gives us 6 days to do all our works and labors and only asks for one day back to keep holy, the seventh day Sabbath Exo 20:8-11 Obeying Him the way He asks shows He is our God and we are His people Eze 20:20 Its how we show love to God 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

Christ rest is not the Sabbath rest, regardless what creative we try to make it to be. Two different rests that serve different purposes. If we rest in Christ, we would not be an enmity to God's law. Rom 8:7-8

Anyway, don't think we are going to agree, that's okay, all will get sorted out.

Thanks for the chat.

Take care.

 

[Aaron112]

We do not have to keep Sabbath

No one will force you.

Exodus 31 13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you.

All the disciples who followed Jesus kept and honored Shabbat. Then thru His Return, as written.

No one is forced to follow Jesus.

 

[Aaron112]

I asked you to show where it says Jesus is the Sabbath

No where in God's Plan , nor in Scripture, nor in Harmony with all YHVH'S Word....

So asking that is perhaps a misleading false dichotomy or seems to be ?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No where in God's Plan , nor in Scripture, nor in Harmony with all YHVH'S Word....

So asking that is perhaps a misleading false dichotomy or seems to be ?

Yes, it is a false doctrine. A poster said its in the scripture- I asked for the verse. No one has ever been able to produce it for some strange reason, yet so many teach it, sadly.

 

[JulieB67]

Basically you are trying to redefine something God already defined

Did you redefine that the gospel is called rest and that rest is creation? Where are those verses stating as such and why do you post with such hypocrisy? Honest question btw. I seriously don't get it. At least others are being honest and truthful and produce scriptures to show why they believe as they do whether you believe them or not. Again, you just make up stuff and produce no scriptures for that stuff.

At least I know what rest actually is.

The Sabbath rest remains for God's people. Heb 4:9NIV

I agree that there remained a sabbatimos/rest for the people. Not the weekly rest. Different word altogether.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Romans 14:5 “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.” These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter about which each Christian needs to be fully convinced in his/her own mind. So if you guys want to keep Sabbath, it's up to you, but do not force it on others, and do not call it sin when it's not.

Satan took upon himself spiritual freedom and disobeyed God, the rest is History.

All the apostles, Jesus the son of GOD and everyone who belong to GOD and Love Him followed the Commandments and the sabbath, the fourth commandment.

if the sabbath was not important, than please explain why did Paul follow it?