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Trump sometimes says dumb things, and this is one of them. His stance was that Christians don't vote very often - I'm not sure I agree with that, or where that idea comes from, although I'd like them to vote more often. Trump thinking that he will be able to turn the country into such a paradise in four years that we won't have to vote is a fantasy, at best. But Democrats are trying to turn this quote into some sort of statement that Trump will get rid of elections, or set himself up as dictator, or establish some sort of Fascist Regime, or whatever. And that is just simply nonsense and more left wing fear mongering.
There are a lot of Christians that do not agree with getting involved in politics at all. I do not think he is promoting a paradise. He simply wants to return to the constitutional freedoms in our personal lives.
 
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There are a lot of Christians that do not agree with getting involved in politics at all. I do not think he is promoting a paradise. He simply wants to return to the constitutional freedoms in our personal lives.
And the Democrats think he's the biggest threat to that. I don't agree with them, but Trump is living in a fantasy world if he thinks he can fix things once and for all. As Reagan said "Freedom is a fragile thing, and it's never more than one generation from extinction. It is not ours by way of inheritance, it must be fought for". And Coretta Scott King: "Freedom is never really won. You earn it and win it in every generation". That has never been more obvious than it is now.
 
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And the Democrats think he's the biggest threat to that. I don't agree with them, but Trump is living in a fantasy world if he thinks he can fix things once and for all.
I do not think Trump believes he can fix things once for all. I think he believes he can reinstate our constitutional republic standard right again.
As Reagan said "Freedom is a fragile thing, and it's never more than one generation from extinction. It is not ours by way of inheritance, it must be fought for". And Coretta Scott King: "Freedom is never really won. You earn it and win it in every generation". That has never been more obvious than it is now.
I do not believe Trump thinks much different.
As Jefferson said of our form of government delivered to us....
A Republic If You Can Keep It
 
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I do not think Trump believes he can fix things once for all. I think he believes he can reinstate our constitutional republic standard right again.
The issue is that half the people disagree on what that even means. I very much doubt that four years of Trump is going to erase the toxic divide we have in this nation. Even if he were capable of doing it (which I do not believe), the media would make sure that doesn't happen. The media would sow chaos at every opportunity (see his first term).
 
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The issue is that half the people disagree on what that even means. I very much doubt that four years of Trump is going to erase the toxic divide we have in this nation. Even if he were capable of doing it (which I do not believe), the media would make sure that doesn't happen. The media would sow chaos at every opportunity (see his first term).
I agree that the media and liberals will foment anger and divisiveness. But, the majority of voters do not want open borders, sexualization of our education system, low standards in education etc. If Trump fixes those things, then the people will have to willingly vote for candidates which would take those things away again. The media can go on and on, but it won't change what people want. It will just cause anger and resentment as has already been done.
 
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The problem is not political. It is a heart problem. People are, by nature, deceitful, proud, entitled, and selfish. They want all the rights, freedoms, and benefits but none of the responsibility. They are also very gullible if promised to receive what they demand. If given the opportunity, they will vote in line with their nature. Democracy is that opportunity.

Wiki:
"In the Republic, Plato's Socrates raises a number of criticisms of democracy. He claims that democracy is a danger due to excessive freedom. He also argues that, in a system in which everyone has a right to rule, all sorts of selfish people who care nothing for the people but are only motivated by their own personal desires are able to attain power. He concludes that democracy risks bringing dictators, tyrants, and demagogues to power. He also claims that democracies have leaders without proper skills or morals and that it is quite unlikely that the best equipped to rule will come to power."

The best political system is the benevolent dictator.
Come soon, Lord Jesus!
 
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He said things will be fixed so Christians won't need to vote anymore.

If you fix something, this can mean it won't need to be repaired ever again.

To fix can mean to set in a certain way which is permanent. And therefore there will be no need to have any more elections.

But he would have to have cooperation of the military and local police. And there are about 330 million Americans, who might not go along with him.
 
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But, the majority of voters do not want open borders, sexualization of our education system, low standards in education etc. If Trump fixes those things, then the people will have to willingly vote for candidates which would take those things away again.
You say that, but I'm not at all sure that the voters will not elect Kamala this November, and then where is the so called majority then? Mind you, I'm not saying she will win, I'm thinking Trump should, but it looks to be a very close one. And if that close one is decided in the urban areas like last time, Trump is done.
 
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He said things will be fixed so Christians won't need to vote anymore.

If you fix something, this can mean it won't need to be repaired ever again.

To fix can mean to set in a certain way which is permanent. And therefore there will be no need to have any more elections.

But he would have to have cooperation of the military and local police. And there are about 330 million Americans, who might not go along with him.
It was a dumb thing to say. Where I disagree with the Democrats is I don't believe it was a malevolent thing to say.
 
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It was a dumb thing to say. Where I disagree with the Democrats is I don't believe it was a malevolent thing to say.
It seems he has already tried to steal the election by accusing others of stealing it. Yet his own federal and supreme judges and VP would not go along with him.

Plus, it seems he decided to fire some number of the staff he himself evaluated for hiring. So, he might have a problem knowing who to trust for a takeover or whatever.
 
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It seems he has already tried to steal the election by accusing others of stealing it. Yet his own federal and supreme judges and VP would not go along with him.
I don't believe the election was stolen, although the CoVid pandemic allowed the Democrats to change the rules to their best advantage. In any case, Trump should have given up when it was clear the courts were not going to support him. And they weren't going to, because it was a hairbrained idea to begin with. I don't think Trump saw it as trying to steal the election though, I think his mind is such that he refuses to accept failure, so he was going to push on to the end. His problem was that he continued to push on past it.
 
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A highlight from Trump’s speach:

"I don't care how, but you have to get out and vote and again," he added. "Christians, get out and vote just this time. You won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It will be fixed. It will be fine. You won't have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians."

This goes largely misunderstood ... there are many Christians that don't vote at all (this is what his statement was geared to). We aren't voting for a "god" we are voting for whom we think will best govern our country. Everyone should vote ... it's part of being a citizen of one's country ... knowing no matter who is elected they are not a perfect person ... far from it ... like we all are.

We do have some major issues in our country ... vote for who you believe will best address them.

God isn't concerned about who we elect to be our leaders ... He is concerned about about salvation ... His ways are higher.

Just get out and vote !!!!
 
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As has been pointed out a bazillion times, the US is not a democracy. It is a republic with leaders elected via the democratic process. Even then, the republic, leaders, and laws are all defined by the Constitution.
You don't want a pure democracy. Seriously... things would go south very fast. The unwashed, uneducated masses, because of their numbers, would soon degrade the nation into a cesspool of crime, slavery, and poverty.
 
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As has been pointed out a bazillion times, the US is not a democracy. It is a republic with leaders elected via the democratic process. Even then, the republic, leaders, and laws are all defined by the Constitution.
You don't want a pure democracy. Seriously... things would go south very fast.

Agreed. I'll rephrase: Is Donald Trump good for our constitutional republic?
 
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Agreed. I'll rephrase: Is Donald Trump good for our constitutional republic?
That is a better question. I might expand the scope and suggest if the universal vote scheme is good for the CR. If it were not Donald Trump, it would be someone else. It is a good car, but the driver is the one who makes it dangerous. It is a system issue. I think we are living in a phase where the divide is so deep and so evenly split that the extremes glow and the moderates fade. It is like a road with deep ditches on either side. As the road narrows, people start sliding into one ditch or the other. And this road is narrowing. I think the deciding factor in our case is Abortion. I have to admit that this is a no-compromise issue with me. I cannot vote for a pro-abortion candidate. There is no compromise for this on either side. I am not sure what the solution is. One side or the other will always be mad. We are just stuck, and we end up with Trumps and Bidens. I think a lot of Democrats want a reasonable solution to immigration... but they cannot get past the abortion issue. Like myself, I would like to see a reasonable solution to the climate issue, but I cannot get past the abortion issue. So, we all endure some unwanted baggage because of this one thing....
Rambling.
 
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I don't believe the election was stolen, although the CoVid pandemic allowed the Democrats to change the rules to their best advantage. In any case, Trump should have given up when it was clear the courts were not going to support him. And they weren't going to, because it was a hairbrained idea to begin with. I don't think Trump saw it as trying to steal the election though, I think his mind is such that he refuses to accept failure, so he was going to push on to the end. His problem was that he continued to push on past it.
I think that possibly you have some understanding of the workings of Donald's personality. Even though it was not I who thought of this, lolololol, I think you could have something there.
 
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Would you say Trump is great for our democracy?
Absolutely! It is only liberal propaganda that says otherwise. The world was a much better place under his presidency than the current one by just about any measure one chooses to use.
 
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