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Trump's Education Plan

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Has anyone actually read this? I'm sure his supporters here will love it because it hits all the right-wing talking points, but all it seems to be is a laundry list of culture war grievances. The primary policy changes that he proposes relate to teachers - abolishing tenure, going to a merit-based pay scale, and having parents elect principals - and are completely bonkers.
 
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Our public schools have been taken over by the Radical Left maniacs.


There is nothing but hatred and loathing with this one. I suggest homeschooling for those who subscribe to the rightists view on life.

Toss out the science and history books....all the children need is Biblical indoctrination in schools. America needs to show Iran and other religious centered countries that we can do it too. Little girls need to be taught to cook, sew, operate the Dyson and cover their faces. Little boys must learn how to hunt and shoot and lasso the cows because you can take our freedoms but you can't take our steak! Where have all the cowboys gone? Bad parents? Toss them in reeducation camps and make their children wards of the state. Also, Mandatory pregnancy for all white girls ages 13 to 18.
 
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Has anyone actually read this? I'm sure his supporters here will love it because it hits all the right-wing talking points, but all it seems to be is a laundry list of culture war grievances. The primary policy changes that he proposes relate to teachers - abolishing tenure, going to a merit-based pay scale, and having parents elect principals - and are completely bonkers.
You have to give them credit for it. It's better to promise to solve an imaginary problem than a real one. If you promise to solve a real problem then you actually have to do it, which is difficult and may not work.
 
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You have to give them credit for it. It's better to promise to solve an imaginary problem than a real one. If you promise to solve a real problem then you actually have to do it, which is difficult and may not work.
But what about the pink-haired communist teachers? Surly they are a real threat to the children. Think of the children!
 
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But what about the pink-haired communist teachers? Surly they are a real threat to the children. Think of the children!
And as soon as Trump is elected, they will be found to have fled, along with their Marxist curriculum. MAGA!
 
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But what about the pink-haired communist teachers? Surly they are a real threat to the children. Think of the children!
You mean like this dude?

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Funny how thinking of the children when it comes to their teachers and reading material is supposed to be a weird idea.
 
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Has anyone actually read this? I'm sure his supporters here will love it because it hits all the right-wing talking points, but all it seems to be is a laundry list of culture war grievances. The primary policy changes that he proposes relate to teachers - abolishing tenure, going to a merit-based pay scale, and having parents elect principals - and are completely bonkers.
Sounds like a good way to encourage mass retirements and resignations. There already isn’t much incentive to become a teacher with extra education and low starting pay. Good luck recruiting.
 
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Regarding this quote from the web page:

"We spend more per pupil than any nation in the world by double. We are going to keep spending our money, but we are now going to get our money’s worth. We are at the end of every list on education, and yet we spend the most. We are going to change it around. We may spend the most, but we are going to be tops in education no matter where you go anywhere in the world."​

Here are some web sites with spending and learning outcome statistics:


Looks to me like our K-12 expenditures and outcomes sit pretty reasonably with other countries of comparable wealth, neither the top of the list nor the bottom.
 
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Toss out the science and history books....all the children need is Biblical indoctrination in schools. America needs to show Iran and other religious centered countries that we can do it too. Little girls need to be taught to cook, sew, operate the Dyson and cover their faces. Little boys must learn how to hunt and shoot and lasso the cows because you can take our freedoms but you can't take our steak! Where have all the cowboys gone? Bad parents? Toss them in reeducation camps and make their children wards of the state. Also, Mandatory pregnancy for all white girls ages 13 to 18.

Just... wow.
 
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Regarding this quote from the web page:

"We spend more per pupil than any nation in the world by double. We are going to keep spending our money, but we are now going to get our money’s worth. We are at the end of every list on education, and yet we spend the most. We are going to change it around. We may spend the most, but we are going to be tops in education no matter where you go anywhere in the world."​

Here are some web sites with spending and learning outcome statistics:


Looks to me like our K-12 expenditures and outcomes sit pretty reasonably with other countries of comparable wealth, neither the top of the list nor the bottom.
I believe the entire point for Trump is why spend money on education when we could use the extra cash buying his golden tennis shoes.
 
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I believe the entire point for Trump is why spend money on education when we could use the extra cash buying his golden tennis shoes.
Or, perhaps much of the education spending is going towards teacher's salaries. American teachers are some of the highest paid educators in the world. Regardless, students are graduating high-school and are unable to read their diploma. The fact is that private school is far superior than anything the public schools can offer. Which is why politicians put their own children in private schools. That is a problem.
 
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Regardless, students are graduating high-school and are unable to read their diploma.
That is just not true. Why say something that isn't true, then blame teachers for something the kids are responsible for learning. You can lead a horse to water....


Tommy Tuberville said that but he doesn't know what he is doing.

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Tuberville said, "Half the kids in this country, when they graduate, can’t read their diploma."


Data shows that as many as two-thirds of American high school graduates have underdeveloped reading skills, measured by common standards for their grade level.


But the people in this category are not so functionally illiterate that they cannot read a diploma, which requires far less skill than what grade-level assessments are testing.


Experts say the percentage of young Americans who are truly functionally illiterate is far smaller than 50%.


The statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.
 
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You are attacking a strawman. I never claimed that over half of students could not read their deploma. I said that there are students who graduate high school who cannot read their diploma. This is a true statement. And, in your effort to Google "fact checks" to argue with me produced one that was not claimed by me. Therefore, you appear to be grasping as straws solely for the purpose of arguing with a strawman. Here is an article where the state of Indiana that verifies my claim.

 
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Or, perhaps much of the education spending is going towards teacher's salaries. American teachers are some of the highest paid educators in the world. Regardless, students are graduating high-school and are unable to read their diploma. The fact is that private school is far superior than anything the public schools can offer. Which is why politicians put their own children in private schools. That is a problem.
Behind Luxembourg, Germany, Canada, Netherlands Australia and Ireland.

That was fun. Now let's talk about class sizes and working conditions.
 
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Or, perhaps much of the education spending is going towards teacher's salaries. American teachers are some of the highest paid educators in the world.
In absolute dollar values, they're definitely up there. However, salaries tend to be higher overall in the US because we have fewer social benefits. Relative to similarly-educated workers in other fields, American teachers are underpaid compared to other first-world countries:


And that's before accounting for the workload.
The fact is that private school is far superior than anything the public schools can offer. Which is why politicians put their own children in private schools. That is a problem.
That's an overly broad generalization - there are good public schools and inferior private schools. Regardless, I don't see how Trump's plan fixes the problem. Private schools tend to perform better because they can be selective about the students that they accept, and they generally have smaller class sizes, which gives teachers more time to work with students individually. Nothing that Trump has proposed addresses those issues as they relate to public schools - in fact, his plan will likely make the problem worse
 
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In absolute dollar values, they're definitely up there. However, salaries tend to be higher overall in the US because we have fewer social benefits. Relative to similarly-educated workers in other fields, American teachers are underpaid compared to other first-world countries:


And that's before accounting for the workload.

That's an overly broad generalization - there are good public schools and inferior private schools. Regardless, I don't see how Trump's plan fixes the problem. Private schools tend to perform better because they can be selective about the students that they accept, and they generally have smaller class sizes, which gives teachers more time to work with students individually. Nothing that Trump has proposed addresses those issues as they relate to public schools - in fact, his plan will likely make the problem worse
It depends on what you see as a problem.

Taking a long view, conservatives think they have a real grievance. The common (or "Public") school is a creation of the Protestant Reformation.. The object was to teach reading sufficiently to read the vernacular scriptures along with a commercially useful amount of arithmetic. Any moral or cultural education was to be strictly controlled by the church. That public schools have always been secular in this country was obscured by the cultural hegemony enjoyed by Protestant Christianity for most of the 19th and early 20th century. Now that hegemony is fading and conservative Christians are having a hard time facing up to the fact that the schools no longer belong to them, even though they never really did.
 
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