YEC played a role in JD Vance rejecting Christianity in his youth (before later returning and becoming Catholic 5 years ago)

[essentialsaltes]

JD Vance’s Catholic conversion is part of young conservative movement​

The Republican vice-presidential nominee and Ohio senator was raised nominally evangelical, then dabbled with atheism before converting in 2019.

In his conversion, he is part of a cohort of rising young conservative figures who are bucking the general trend of young Americans to reject institutional religion — and many, experts say, are choosing Catholicism. Catholicism, religion analysts say, exudes the confidence and staying power of a two-millennia-old hierarchical institution — not to mention the world’s biggest church — at a time when so much seems unstable.

Vance has said he looked for a philosophy that incorporated doubt, embraced scientific advancements like the theory of evolution and also came from somewhere “more ancient,” he wrote in 2020 in the Lamp.

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Looking to what he wrote in the Lamp.

[E]volutionary theory in some form struck me as plausible, and though I consumed Tornado in a Junkyard and every other work of Young Earth Creationism, I eventually got to the point where I couldn’t square my understanding of biology with what my church told me I had to believe. I was never so committed to Young Earth Creationism that I felt I had to choose between biology and Genesis. But the tension between a scientific account of our origin and the biblical account I’d absorbed made it easier to discard my faith.

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Making evolution-denial or globe-denial a central facet of one's religious denomination may not be instantly fatal, but it is a recipe for failure. When kids learn better through exposure to the evidence-based reasoning supporting the globe and evolution, that's an impetus to drop the religion entirely, not just the erroneous dogma.

 

[PloverWing]

Making evolution-denial or globe-denial a central facet of one's religious denomination may not be instantly fatal, but it is a recipe for failure. When kids learn better through exposure to the evidence-based reasoning supporting the globe and evolution, that's an impetus to drop the religion entirely, not just the erroneous dogma.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. When I was growing up, I was taught that if the earth wasn't created in 7 days, then the whole Bible was false, and Christianity was false. There came a time in my young adulthood when I wrestled with the implications of this in ways that the preachers probably didn't intend.

Thanks for the link to the Lamp article. In his writing, JD Vance comes across as a more thoughtful and reflective person than I would have guessed from listening to him talk.

 

[chevyontheriver]

JD Vance’s Catholic conversion is part of young conservative movement​

The Republican vice-presidential nominee and Ohio senator was raised nominally evangelical, then dabbled with atheism before converting in 2019.

In his conversion, he is part of a cohort of rising young conservative figures who are bucking the general trend of young Americans to reject institutional religion — and many, experts say, are choosing Catholicism. Catholicism, religion analysts say, exudes the confidence and staying power of a two-millennia-old hierarchical institution — not to mention the world’s biggest church — at a time when so much seems unstable.

Vance has said he looked for a philosophy that incorporated doubt, embraced scientific advancements like the theory of evolution and also came from somewhere “more ancient,” he wrote in 2020 in the Lamp.

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Looking to what he wrote in the Lamp.

[E]volutionary theory in some form struck me as plausible, and though I consumed Tornado in a Junkyard and every other work of Young Earth Creationism, I eventually got to the point where I couldn’t square my understanding of biology with what my church told me I had to believe. I was never so committed to Young Earth Creationism that I felt I had to choose between biology and Genesis. But the tension between a scientific account of our origin and the biblical account I’d absorbed made it easier to discard my faith.

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Making evolution-denial or globe-denial a central facet of one's religious denomination may not be instantly fatal, but it is a recipe for failure. When kids learn better through exposure to the evidence-based reasoning supporting the globe and evolution, that's an impetus to drop the religion entirely, not just the erroneous dogma.

Even atheists can succumb to becoming Catholic. Even though YEC made them atheists.

 

[Laodicean60]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. When I was growing up, I was taught that if the earth wasn't created in 7 days, then the whole Bible was false, and Christianity was false. There came a time in my young adulthood when I wrestled with the implications of this in ways that the preachers probably didn't intend.

Thanks for the link to the Lamp article. In his writing, JD Vance comes across as a more thoughtful and reflective person than I would have guessed from listening to him talk.

Me too, When I was born again in the 90's I believed the literal interpretation of the bible but as I started studying and keeping up with science I questioned it. I come to a realization that how can we accurately translate the language of primitive man?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Even atheists can succumb to becoming Catholic. Even though YEC made them atheists.

Understanding YEC is nothing more than understanding that what scientists see today wasn’t what actually took place at creation. You just have to realize that scientists are making predictions on what took place based on the information they have today. Just because they see certain things the way they are today doesn’t mean that it was that way when the universe was created. You also have to realize that creation was the result of a miracle so it’s not intended to line up with science any more than the virgin birth or the resurrection or any other miracle recorded in the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Making evolution-denial or globe-denial a central facet of one's religious denomination may not be instantly fatal, but it is a recipe for failure. When kids learn better through exposure to the evidence-based reasoning supporting the globe and evolution, that's an impetus to drop the religion entirely, not just the erroneous dogma.

J D Vance then is a prime example of Paul's warning that embracing evolution can lead to atheism.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Translation:

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be [Homo sapiens], they became [atheists],

 

[AV1611VET]

When I was growing up, I was taught that if the earth wasn't created in 7 days, then the whole Bible was false, and Christianity was false.

You were taught wrong then.

Even I don't believe the earth was created in seven days.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even atheists can succumb to becoming Catholic.

Succumb?

Even though YEC made them atheists.

No.

In Mr Vance's case, it's apparent evolution did.

 

[AV1611VET]

I come to a realization that how can we accurately translate the language of primitive man?

The King James translators took care of that for you.

And they did it under God's leadership.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Succumb?



No.

In Mr Vance's case, it's apparent evolution did.

In Mr Vance’s case its important to keep in mind that he’s a politician which means it’s in his best interest to find a middle ground that appeals to the majority of voters.

 

[essentialsaltes]

J D Vance then is a prime example of Paul's warning that embracing evolution can lead to atheism.

No it's just that understanding and accepting evolution can lead to rejecting religions that deny evolution. Plenty of religions and religious people accept evolution. Which is only fitting, since it's true.

 

[AV1611VET]

In Mr Vance’s case its important to keep in mind that he’s a politician which means it’s in his best interest to find a middle ground that appeals to the majority of voters.

And let me guess:

The majority of voters are academians.

Right?

So to appease them (and us), he felt he had to come out of his atheism and embrace Catholicism?

 

[AV1611VET]

No it's just that understanding and accepting evolution can lead to rejecting religions that deny evolution.

Read Mr Vance's testimony again.

He became an atheist.

Plenty of religions and religious people accept evolution.

Yes, I know.

But they run the risk of becoming atheists.

Which is only fitting, since it's true.

In your opinion.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And let me guess:

The majority of voters are academians.

Right?

So to appease them (and us), he felt he had to come out of his atheism and embrace Catholicism?

I’m not saying that the majority of voters are intellectuals, just that his view seems to be a middle ground between intellectual and conservative.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No it's just that understanding and accepting evolution can lead to rejecting religions that deny evolution. Plenty of religions and religious people accept evolution. Which is only fitting, since it's true.

Except for the fact that it’s never been proven.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Read Mr Vance's testimony again.

He became an atheist.

It did in Vance's case, but that's not the only possibility. You were proposing a general rule.

 

[AV1611VET]

I’m not saying that the majority of voters are intellectuals, just that his view seems to be a middle ground between intellectual and conservative.

I understand.

But his return to religion came later.

I'm talking about his initial rejection of God, and his decline into atheism.

Why would he give up all this ...

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... to embrace atheism?

There's only one thing that could do it.

And Paul tells us what that one thing is: evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

It did in Vance's case, but that's not the only possibility. You were proposing a general rule.

Okay.

Fair enough.

But they do run the risk of doing so.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I understand.

But his return to religion came later.

I'm talking about his initial rejection of God, and his decline into atheism.

Why would he give up all this ...

Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Psalm 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... to embrace atheism?

There's only one thing that could do it.

And Paul tells us what that one thing is: evolution.

Well Paul doesn’t actually say “evolution” anywhere in any of his epistles I think that’s an exaggeration brother. The wisdom of this world is not limited to evolution there are a lot more examples that fit into this category. The definition of the wisdom of this world in my opinion would be any logic or reasoning that is derived from man that is contradictory to the scriptures. The acceptance of LGBTQ, strip clubs, pornography, and things of this nature would also fall under that category as well.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Succumb?

Tongue in cheek for the OP, yes indeed. It actually happens all the time.

No.

In Mr Vance's case, it's apparent evolution did.

If he had not been taught something false (YEC) by people who should have been teaching him the truth (his church) he might not have rejected the whole lot of what they were trying to teach him.