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God bless Ike. We need sensible politicians similar to him in 2024.
He was also Christian:
Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia
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That's not some remarkable fact, Alex. They all were. Maybe Jefferson or Lincoln are a bit iffy, but the rest certainly were. Same with the recent candidates, all avowed Christians.
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Yes that is exactly right. Lincon was not really an abolitionist, he did not believe in equality or equal rights. In 1858 in the seven Lincon - Douglas debates Lincon was on the side of the diverse group of people that wanted to change the constitution and set the "negros" free. Douglas was not even pro slavery. He just believed the decision should be up to each individual state. There was not that much of a divide between Lincon and Douglas. The divide was the country and the people they represent. A lot of the divide was between the south and their plantations and the industrial north. Although they were building machines for the plantations and that means they had less need for the slaves. As we see in the movie Gone with the Wind, this issue was not the field hands so much as the house slaves that were a part of the family. Sissy was actually Scarlets sister. Same father different mothers. Mammy did more than the cooking, she raise the kids and did all the house work. So to end slavery would rip their family structure apart. It was the women that promoted slavery. 40% of the buying and selling of slaves was done by women.
What was divided was the country. One wanted the votes of one side and the other wanted the votes of the other side of the issue. It was more about votes and getting elected to office than it was about setting people free. Douglas really did not even have any advantage with a debate with Lincon because Lincon was unknown. So there was no real advantage in the debate for him. Lincon walked to the debates and Douglas showed up in a private train car with his servants.
At the time most of the people read the debate in the news paper. Of course there are actors that act it out today. But we do not have the debate on film like we do with Trump and Biden today. This was an issue with Kennedy in 1960. The people who saw the debate live on TV considered Kennedy the winner. The people who listened to the debate on the radio thought he had lost the debate.
It is funny we read about Adam and Eve and the beginning of farming and a family structure. But how much do we know about what the civil war was really all about?
lincon douglas debate - Search Videos
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Good greif. Gone with the Wind is "Lost Cause" propaganda, just less obvious than "Birth of a Nation." (Best character -- the fire!)
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Yes the south did lose the war. Glad to see you are up on your history.
The subject here is past political elections and how that relates to this election. The theme is that we have a nation divided and the candidates each pick one side of that divide.
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Lost cause PROPAGANDA. You left off the most important word in the phrase. (It's also a garbage movie. Bleh.) It's no place to get historical information about the period, and it doesn't apply today anyway.
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That film is where I learned the Civil War was fought in what looked like New Mexico.
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I did not know about that. Some of the states were divided between north and south. It looks like the battle in New Mexico was for the whole southwest area.
The question is the country as divided today for this election as it was back when we had a civil war. If Trump is elected are they going to be fighting in the streets again? Fighting each other but mostly fighting the government.
I was amazed when the supreme court banned abortion they would have been rioting in a lot of cities if Trump was president at the time. With Biden there was not any rioting at all.
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Actually it was mostly filmed in Spain. I thought I was joking about the civil war being fought in New Mexico (which was just picking a desert state at random).
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The Battle of La Glorieta Pass (March 27-28, 1862), was fought in what is today the of state New Mexico between Confederate forces out of Texas, and local Union militia and volunteers from Colorado. The commander of the Colorado Volunteers was a Colonel Chivington. Unfortunately, Chivington's reputation would be ruined at the Sand Creek Massacre (a Cheyenne and Arapahoe village) in November 1864 (in Southern Colorado).
The backdrop for the movie The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is the Battle of La Glorieta Pass. A European extended cut even references the battle.
The backdrop for the movie The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is the Battle of La Glorieta Pass. A European extended cut even references the battle.
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Yeah, most of them are. It just seems like politicians nowadays have lost the faith, or may have a Christian label but are jerks to others.
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One could use AI and deepfake tech to make Lincoln speak. Man, what a time to be living in the 2020s.
A family tree website made Lincoln talk using AI (Video duration: ~1 min)
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