Does the Bible warn about DNA manipulation?

[eleos1954]

I don't think this is accurate. I believe "kept not their first estate" and "left their own habitation" implies they desired to leave their designated station under God.

The verses are clear .... God cast them out of heaven.

What Does the Bible Say About Satan And A Third Of Angels Caste Out Of Heaven?

 

[Zenos777]

https://www.pastortedwilson.org/why-is-the-book-of-enoch-not-in-the-bible/

In Genesis God created living beings to reproduce after their kind on planet earth.

Says right here they were mighty men ... men of renown ... MEN (mankind) not angels or some kind of hybrid

Genesis 6:4 ESV​

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Fallen angels


“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.” 2 Peter 2:4.

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” Jude 6.

The angels were indeed "kicked" out of heaven (left their first estate-not on their own accord)

It is sin (transgression of the law) that is the culprit ... and sin is a choice (angels or Humans) ... not in DNA. Satan sinned (transgression of the law) against God while in heaven and he cast them into darkness.

Question: If God would allow the angels (the fallen ones) to procreate with humans ... then ... why would he not allow "good" angels to procreate with them as well? So ... angels can reproduce with humans but not amongst themselves? No where does it state angels have the ability to procreate.

Not buying it. It's non-sensical and does not line up with other scripture. The book of Enoch is not in harmony with other scripture .... is why it is not included in most bibles ... the link above points out some of the issues.

 

[Zenos777]

YOU SAID;
The angels were indeed "kicked" out of heaven (left their first estate-not on their own accord)
AND YET YOU QUOTE
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” Jude 6.
Please clarify: Which one is it?

 

[Zenos777]

The Book of Enoch has never been demonstrated to have been inspired by the Lord God. To the best of my knowledge, the Book of Enoch is not referred to anywhere within the Old Testament or the New Testament with only one exception which is Jude 1:14-15

If the book of Enoch is not sanctioned and should not be trusted why did Jude refer to it? Should we not also reject Jude 1:14 and 15 since Jude is quoting from an unrecognized writing?

 

[Zenos777]

I don't think this is accurate. I believe "kept not their first estate" and "left their own habitation" implies they desired to leave their designated station under God and that they did so in some manner.

Well, you have that right to believe that. I for one do not! It seems to me that a rebellion took place in heaven, and they chose to leave their first estate. Nephilim is a Hebrew word meaning "Giants" as in Goliath and his brothers.

 

[Vambram]

If the book of Enoch is not sanctioned and should not be trusted why did Jude refer to it? Should we not also reject Jude 1:14 and 15 since Jude is quoting from an unrecognized writing?

In the Old Testament, the historical books of the Bible also make reference to other books of history. But those other books of Jewish history are clearly not canonical. In my view, Jude quoting from the Book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular passage of Enoch is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the flood (Genesis 5:1–24). Evidently, though, the words Jude quotes were genuinely something that Enoch prophesied—or the Bible would not attribute it to him: “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men” (Jude 1:14). This saying of Enoch was somehow handed down through the generations and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.
I believe that we should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other apocryphal writings. I believe that some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you should consider them interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

 

[Zenos777]

In the Old Testament, the historical books of the Bible also make reference to other books of history. But those other books of Jewish history are clearly not canonical. In my view, Jude quoting from the Book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular passage of Enoch is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the flood (Genesis 5:1–24). Evidently, though, the words Jude quotes were genuinely something that Enoch prophesied—or the Bible would not attribute it to him: “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men” (Jude 1:14). This saying of Enoch was somehow handed down through the generations and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.
I believe that we should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other apocryphal writings. I believe that some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you should consider them interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

Ok I understand that you cannot believe something written unless it has been canonized. Who ok'd the books? It is the same religion that killed the true christians who would not worship on Sunday because they believe the Sabbath was the Lords Day? If it was, why do you believe them? John14:26 But the comforter, the holy Ghost whom the father will send in my name shall teach you ALL things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.
This is not pointing out whether the sabbath is the Lords day or not, that is for another discussion.
Blessings to you!

 

[Zenos777]

We don't read in the bible of fallen angels "reducing themselves to mortal beings." In fact, Hebrews, quoting Psalm 104, says:

“And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."” (Heb 1:7 NKJV)

Would you even consider the possibility that it happened that way? If not why? Please use scripture.

 

[Zenos777]

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan came also among them.
We can exstipulate that the "sons of God were indeed angles.

Blessing to you!

 

[Zenos777]

https://www.pastortedwilson.org/why-is-the-book-of-enoch-not-in-the-bible/

In Genesis God created living beings to reproduce after their kind on planet earth.

Says right here they were mighty men ... men of renown ... MEN (mankind) not angels or some kind of hybrid

Genesis 6:4 ESV​

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Fallen angels


“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.” 2 Peter 2:4.

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” Jude 6.

The angels were indeed "kicked" out of heaven (left their first estate-not on their own accord)

It is sin (transgression of the law) that is the culprit ... and sin is a choice (angels or Humans) ... not in DNA. Satan sinned (transgression of the law) against God while in heaven and he cast them into darkness.

Question: If God would allow the angels (the fallen ones) to procreate with humans ... then ... why would he not allow "good" angels to procreate with them as well? So ... angels can reproduce with humans but not amongst themselves? No where does it state angels have the ability to procreate.

Not buying it. It's non-sensical and does not line up with other scripture. The book of Enoch is not in harmony with other scripture .... is why it is not included in most bibles ... the link above points out some of the issues.

The good angles could not because it was forbidden, we know that because the bad angels got put into chains. We are told, sometimes to entertain (feed) strangers because we might be entertaining angles, unaware. I they can assume human form, who says they cannot perform in sexual relationships. Jesus said that there is no marriage or giving in marriage in heaven. It is forbidden. It does not go along with God's plan of redemption of heaven and earth. Nether was it allowed for the angles to procreate on earth.
Blessing to you!

 

[childeye 2]

Well, you have that right to believe that. I for one do not! It seems to me that a rebellion took place in heaven, and they chose to leave their first estate. Nephilim is a Hebrew word meaning "Giants" as in Goliath and his brothers.

I'm aware of the battle in heaven described in Revelations. That definitely says Satan and his angels were kicked out. But the language in Jude indicates they left their first estate as in leave behind or forsake not kicked out. I think those are two different events.

 

[Vambram]

I understand that you cannot believe something written unless it has been canonized. Who ok'd the books? I

In my view, it is logical to believe that if the Lord God wanted a book of scripture to be canonical, then He would have made sure ancient copies of that book would have still been available at the time in which the rest of the books of the Bible were being canonized. Also, If the Book of Enoch was supposed to have been inspired by God, then why would such an ancient book not even be made referenced to by any other passages of the Bible with that one small exception in the Book of Jude?

 

[BPPLEE]

Angels don't mate with humans ... never have. There are no "trans humans"

After Cain killed Abel, Adam and Eve had another son named Seth. And Seth, it says, feared the Lord. Seth and his descendents were children of God. Cain was carnal Enos. That means he was a mortal man. He did not have everlasting life. As long as they remained separate, the truth of God was preserved but when the sons of God began to marry - the children of Seth began to intermarry with the daughters of Cain - then that distinction, that holiness, it evaporated. That's why the next verse says God said My Spirit will not always strive with man. He's got 120 years before the flood.

And so the sons of God were the descendents of Seth that were true to the Lord. They still offered sacrifice to God. The daughters of men were the daughters of Cain's descendents who had not the knowledge of God preserved.

Why would that cause their children to be called Nephillim, mighty men of valor or giants?

 

[BPPLEE]

The good angles could not because it was forbidden, we know that because the bad angels got put into chains. We are told, sometimes to entertain (feed) strangers because we might be entertaining angles, unaware. I they can assume human form, who says they cannot perform in sexual relationships. Jesus said that there is no marriage or giving in marriage in heaven. It is forbidden. It does not go along with God's plan of redemption of heaven and earth. Nether was it allowed for the angles to procreate on earth.
Blessing to you!

It says they don’t marry it doesn’t say they can’t

 

[BPPLEE]

I always took it to mean 'mix' .

Because it mentions the seed I take it to mean interbreeding

 

[Zenos777]

It says they don’t marry it doesn’t say they can’t

It does not say can't.......it does say they are neither marry nor are given in marriage. Matt. 22:30

 

[Apple Sky]

We don't read in the bible of fallen angels "reducing themselves to mortal beings.

But we do read about angels presenting themselves as men, in Sodom & Gomorrah & to Abraham and Sarah.

If the book of Enoch is not sanctioned and should not be trusted why did Jude refer to it? Should we not also reject Jude 1:14 and 15 since Jude is quoting from an unrecognized writing?

The book of Jashar is also mentioned in Joshua 10:13.

 

[Zenos777]

But we do read about angels presenting themselves as men, in Sodom & Gomorrah & to Abraham and Sarah.



The book of Jashar is also mentioned in Joshua 10:13.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

 

[Zenos777]

Not directly. I don't reckon ancient authors of scripture had any knowledge of DNA, nor did they understand how manipulation could occur.
However before the great flood they did observe the intermarriage of human females and those Jude referred to......

Jude 6-7 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh.

Moses mentioned it.

Gen 6:2–4 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Humanity was under attack. The goal was to introduce foreign DNA into the gene pool thus transforming humanity into a trans human hybrid.

The strangest thing about this period event is that Jesus says it is going to happen again.

Luke 17:26 'And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.'

Transhumanism has already made a come back. It will not be done through interbreeding , it will be done through gene splicing, and implants. We will be linked through computer chips to global networks that will make us super humans. Satan's desire is to so defile humanity that they cease to be human.


In Revelation 18:23 says 'For by thy sorceries were all nations deceived'

When we think sorcery we tend to think in terms of magic, and witches. However, in the Strongs Concordance sorcery is G5331 Pharmakeia: Medication, magic, sorcery, witchcraft. Where we get the word Pharmacy.

Now when in present time has Satan been able to fool THE WORLD with Medication/Pharmacy??

The bible also mentions in........

Daniel 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Are we not at the point where iron and metallic by products are being introduced and inserted in our bodies/clay?

I agree. The question that is on my mind: Is DNA change accumulative, as in radiation exposure? So do mRNA shots pose a greater threat to Humans then the pharmaceuticals admit. Did early man play with DNA many, many, many, years ago and that is why we have so many countries with tales of strange creatures such as the Minotaur, Medusa, Cerberus and Centaur, Sphinx, Pegasus. and Harpies. Most alleged myths have some truth to their beginnings.
Eccl: ...nothing new under the sun.

 

[Apple Sky]

So do mRNA shots pose a greater threat to Humans then the pharmaceuticals admit.

Well I wouldn't take it, I call it 'Satan's juice'.

Did early man play with DNA many, many, many, years ago and that is why we have so many countries with tales of strange creatures such as the Minotaur, Medusa, Cerberus and Centaur, Sphinx, Pegasus. and Harpies.

I've thought this for a long time, before the deluge did they know all about DNA manipulation ? In the book of Enoch he explains how the fallen angels taught men all sorts of things i.e Astronomy, sorcery & how women could beatify themselves, so it wouldn't be so far stretched that they taught men all about DNA manipulation like what we are up to today, (it will be like in the days Noah ).
I reckon Noah knew all about DNA & Noah took the DNA samples of every kind of animal onto the Arc with him to reproduce and repopulate the earth once again.

I also believe that these Giants & Mythological creatures existed hence the reason why God flooded the earth. I also believe that these Satanic cults ( the blue-bloods, knows the truth about who their ancestors were, why else would these elite families have sculptures of the centaur, mermaids etc, in their back yards ?

There's nothing new under the sun.......