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Same here, @Hans Blaster is also a good guy, and he has said that the American Solidarity Party has no chance either. The Democrats do not like the American Solidarity Party (ASP) enough, cos it is too conservative for them. We have to strengthen the third party somehow. This is the cold, hard reality of the two party system. We never get a party that has deep Christian roots. A lot of Christians, if told about the Solidarity Party like the ideals of it, but until we can get a few senators into office, the ASP will not stand a chance.

Hey, at least we both like this little party. It reminds me of old-school Republicans of the 1970s, such as Richard Nixon who founded the EPA. I should have been born in 1959 instead of 1999. But hey, at least I live in 2024, so I can spread the Gospel online through this forum and through technology.
If you really want to build up this party you keep talking about, start organizing it for local elections. Get together with other, likeminded individuals and put up candidates for city council, county board, state assembly, etc. If you start winning elections at the small level then work larger offices with in the state. There is more to politics than US President, Congress, and statewide office.
 
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If you really want to build up this party you keep talking about, start organizing it for local elections. Get together with other, likeminded individuals and put up candidates for city council, county board, state assembly, etc. If you start winning elections at the small level then work larger offices with in the state. There is more to politics than US President, Congress, and statewide office.
I should try. Already, I have told my Republican co-worker (who likes helping the environment) and who wants to vote for 3rd party, that Sonski would be a good idea, as he takes the best ideas from the Republicans, and the best ideas for the environment and combines them. Today, if I have time, I will tell her more about Sonski. My social skills kinda suck, so doing more would be difficult, but I will at least tell folks about this guy, and try to find American Solidarity party candidates in Wisconsin and in my city.
 
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I should try. Already, I have told my Republican co-worker (who likes helping the environment) and who wants to vote for 3rd party, that Sonski would be a good idea, as he takes the best ideas from the Republicans, and the best ideas for the environment and combines them. Today, if I have time, I will tell her more about Sonski. My social skills kinda suck, so doing more would be difficult, but I will at least tell folks about this guy, and try to find American Solidarity party candidates in Wisconsin and in my city.

You're not getting it. The point is not to spread the gospel of Sonski and promote a school board member for President of the United States. The point is to go and join the party and build up to support local candidates so that non-members in your area will start voting for them in local elections.
 
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You're not getting it. The point is not to spread the gospel of Sonski and promote a school board member for President of the United States. The point is to go and join the party and build up to support local candidates so that non-members in your area will start voting for them in local elections.
Yeah, I am starting to like Kamala as she is much younger than Biden, but I could try to join the American Solidarity Party, or at least support it. Sadly, I do not use social media, and the ASP already had a signing a week ago in my city. If only I knew about this a week ago.
 
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You're not getting it. The point is not to spread the gospel of Sonski and promote a school board member for President of the United States. The point is to go and join the party and build up to support local candidates so that non-members in your area will start voting for them in local elections.
This is the claim people make: "Don't go for large elections! Go for small ones first!" But I see no evidence that this would work. All it means is that no one hears of your party at all outside of a few people locally. Running for larger offices makes people way more aware of it. Generally speaking, the way people hear at all about a third party is through their presidential candidate. Indeed, how is one going to gather up those candidates for city council/county board without making them aware of the party, which is typically achieved only in running for larger offices?

The whole "start small and work up" also has the issue of not really having a coherent way to do it. Say you in a few isolated areas manage to get elected to city council or whatever. That doesn't create any kind of path to larger offices. It's telling to me that every single political party I can think of that managed to get anywhere in US politics (even if it wasn't very far) did so by aiming for the large offices and getting attention that way. What's the biggest third party in the US? The Libertarian Party, and they were fielding presidential candidates from the get-go. Both of the current major parties (Democratic and Republican) emerged on the national level, not this "start local and build up".

Maybe it's not possible under the current election rules for a third party to become a real force. But whatever small gains they have managed to make were all by doing the thing you claim they shouldn't be doing, and I'm not aware of any party (major or minor) that managed to achieve power in the way you're saying they should be trying. Do you have any examples I'm unaware of?
 
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Yeah, I am starting to like Kamala as she is much younger than Biden, but I could try to join the American Solidarity Party, or at least support it. Sadly, I do not use social media, and the ASP already had a signing a week ago in my city. If only I knew about this a week ago.
I am sorry to disappoint, but Christian Forums is social media.
 
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Yeah, I am starting to like Kamala as she is much younger than Biden, but I could try to join the American Solidarity Party, or at least support it. Sadly, I do not use social media, and the ASP already had a signing a week ago in my city. If only I knew about this a week ago.
So?
Write to National Headquarters and ask for materials to sign you up and send materials so that you can canvas your neighborhood and section of your town!
Grassroots is dirty, understand.
 
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Write to National Headquarters and ask for materials to sign you up and send materials so that you can canvas your neighborhood and section of your town!
Grassroots is dirty, understand.
Whew, that sounds like a lot of work, plus, I do not want to be tied to a political party in case corruption happens inside the party at a later date.
 
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Whew, that sounds like a lot of work, plus, I do not want to be tied to a political party in case corruption happens inside the party at a later date.
I have actually made vegan “sausage“, it begins with seitan and is nearly as good as pork sausage, but I know of no political party that is both “pure” and has a slate of eligible, electable candidates.
 
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This is the claim people make: "Don't go for large elections! Go for small ones first!" But I see no evidence that this would work. All it means is that no one hears of your party at all outside of a few people locally. Running for larger offices makes people way more aware of it. Generally speaking, the way people hear at all about a third party is through their presidential candidate. Indeed, how is one going to gather up those candidates for city council/county board without making them aware of the party, which is typically achieved only in running for larger offices?
You could also run as an independent, like Bernie Saunders.
 
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This is the claim people make: "Don't go for large elections! Go for small ones first!" But I see no evidence that this would work. All it means is that no one hears of your party at all outside of a few people locally. Running for larger offices makes people way more aware of it. Generally speaking, the way people hear at all about a third party is through their presidential candidate. Indeed, how is one going to gather up those candidates for city council/county board without making them aware of the party, which is typically achieved only in running for larger offices?
Except we don't do anything with these minor parties running a presidential candidate. Most of the time they are complete unknowns with nothing even close to the credentials of the major party candidates or name recognition. Occasionally they run someone with a bit of name recognition (Weld [ex-Mass gov], consumer advocate Nader) but mostly they are just nobodies and get treated with the seriousness they have earned (none).

The US Presidency is not a position that is conducive to 3rd party challenges. (None have ever succeeded, always one of the two dominant factions/parties won, except 1824 when the single party's multiple factions ran against each other in a 4-way contest.) A minor party isn't going to get elected to the presidency.
The whole "start small and work up" also has the issue of not really having a coherent way to do it. Say you in a few isolated areas manage to get elected to city council or whatever. That doesn't create any kind of path to larger offices.
Really?! You don't think the same voters who just voted for the X-party candidate to city council won't consider the same party for state legislature?
It's telling to me that every single political party I can think of that managed to get anywhere in US politics (even if it wasn't very far) did so by aiming for the large offices and getting attention that way. What's the biggest third party in the US? The Libertarian Party, and they were fielding presidential candidates from the get-go.
And after 50 years the only have a handful of the kinds of offices I listed above (same for Greens.
Both of the current major parties (Democratic and Republican) emerged on the national level, not this "start local and build up".
The Democratic Party was organized from the top and from the dominant Jacksonian faction. The opposition quickly organized themselves in to the Whig Party. As for the Republicans, they were largely organized locally from the remnants of the collapsing Whig Party. The 1840s had also be a time of splinter factions and parties that did actually have national impact (Anti-Masonic, American [No-Nothing], and Free Soil Parties; Martin Van Buren, who orgainzed the Democrats, actually ran again after his own presidency as candidate of the Free Soil Party in 1848.) The new organizations then coalesced into a national party.

Shorter point, those parties formed when there was a vacuum in national party alignment. That is not the case today.
Maybe it's not possible under the current election rules for a third party to become a real force. But whatever small gains they have managed to make were all by doing the thing you claim they shouldn't be doing, and I'm not aware of any party (major or minor) that managed to achieve power in the way you're saying they should be trying. Do you have any examples I'm unaware of?
We've only had a few major parties/factions in our history, so no I don't. Unless a major party falls apart none of these minor parties have any chance to replace them at the national level. This obsession with running a presidential candidate, seems to be nothing other than allowing a small group of people to feel good about themselves when they vote for president.
 
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I have actually made vegan “sausage“, it begins with seitan and is nearly as good as pork sausage, but I know of no political party that is both “pure” and has a slate of eligible, electable candidates.
I should try that out, or find pre-made vegan sausage, as I already eat chicken brats more often nowadays instead of traditional bratwurst.

And yes, there is no perfect party with eligible, electable candidates, cos we live in an imperfect world. :) And the 3rd party that seems to have good values does not have any candidates that have a chance of winning.
 
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Except we don't do anything with these minor parties running a presidential candidate. Most of the time they are complete unknowns with nothing even close to the credentials of the major party candidates or name recognition. Occasionally they run someone with a bit of name recognition (Weld [ex-Mass gov], consumer advocate Nader) but mostly they are just nobodies and get treated with the seriousness they have earned (none).

Which is more than any party that followed your suggestion on starting at the local level and working their way up ever did, as far as I am aware.

The US Presidency is not a position that is conducive to 3rd party challenges. (None have ever succeeded, always one of the two dominant factions/parties won, except 1824 when the single party's multiple factions ran against each other in a 4-way contest.) A minor party isn't going to get elected to the presidency.

Sure. But it gives them a lot more attention than your suggestion would.

Really?! You don't think the same voters who just voted for the X-party candidate to city council won't consider the same party for state legislature?

No, not really. They're very different sorts of races. In fact, this issue is demonstrated by your next point:

And after 50 years the only have a handful of the kinds of offices I listed above (same for Greens.

Which they did in large part because they went for larger offices which got them attention and then people ran on the more local level.

In fact, if your proposed suggestion is to work, shouldn't the Greens be doing a lot better? They ran people for local office and won. In your words, shouldn't those same voters who just voted for them consider the same party for legislature? But it seems they don't.

The Democratic Party was organized from the top and from the dominant Jacksonian faction. The opposition quickly organized themselves in to the Whig Party. As for the Republicans, they were largely organized locally from the remnants of the collapsing Whig Party. The 1840s had also be a time of splinter factions and parties that did actually have national impact (Anti-Masonic, American [No-Nothing], and Free Soil Parties; Martin Van Buren, who orgainzed the Democrats, actually ran again after his own presidency as candidate of the Free Soil Party in 1848.) The new organizations then coalesced into a national party.

Shorter point, those parties formed when there was a vacuum in national party alignment. That is not the case today.

Sure. But they still did it on the national level rather than the local one.

We've only had a few major parties/factions in our history, so no I don't. Unless a major party falls apart none of these minor parties have any chance to replace them at the national level. This obsession with running a presidential candidate, seems to be nothing other than allowing a small group of people to feel good about themselves when they vote for president.
It is true that, under current electoral rules, it's hard to see a minor party gaining real power minus a major party falling apart (not to say it's impossible, just hard to see). But if that is the case, then what you suggest doesn't work either because it's just impossible period. You can't say that running people for higher offices can't work on the basis that a major party needs to fall apart for that to work, because that factor stops the idea you suggest also.

And maybe that is the case. Maybe there is no route to power for a third party under the current rules. But whether there is a route or not, the route you say they shouldn't be doing has paid at least some dividends (however small), whereas the route you say they should be doing has not been demonstrated to achieve even those small gains.
 
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You could also run as an independent, like Bernie Saunders.
Sanders is a Democrat in everything but name. In all of his Senate elections, including the first one, the Democratic Party endorsed him and didn't run anyone against him.

Angus King would be a better one to point to.
 
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I concur and Americans are too complacent. They let a lot of things go and that doesn't bode well for future. You know how the saying goes. Give an inch and they'll take a mile. By the time we're fed up it will be too late.

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Project 2025 director steps down amid backlash from Trump

Paul Dans has stepped down as director of Project 2025, the conservative playbook for a potential second Donald Trump term, amid intense criticism, including from the former president.

Dans’ departure was confirmed in a statement to CNN by Dr. Kevin Roberts, the president of the Heritage Foundation, the group that launched Project 2025. Before joining Heritage to lead the project, Dans served as a top official in Trump’s White House.

At least 140 people who worked in the Trump administration had a hand in the project, a CNN review found.
 
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Project 2025 director steps down amid backlash from Trump

Paul Dans has stepped down as director of Project 2025, the conservative playbook for a potential second Donald Trump term, amid intense criticism, including from the former president.

Dans’ departure was confirmed in a statement to CNN by Dr. Kevin Roberts, the president of the Heritage Foundation, the group that launched Project 2025. Before joining Heritage to lead the project, Dans served as a top official in Trump’s White House.

At least 140 people who worked in the Trump administration had a hand in the project, a CNN review found.
Is having a pluritized “given” name as a surname required to sit on this committee?
 
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Trump succinctly responds to Fox News hosts asking about Tim Walz linking Trump to Project 2025.

Well, first of all, he’s a total lightweight. And he shouldn’t be even having any access to possibly being president. The guy he’s been a terrible governor. They’ve had nothing but problems in their state. He has no capability. They call him coach. He’s a semi coach. You coach some football for a little while. This guy is a lightweight and he shouldn’t have access. And for him to say about project 25 is disgraceful. They know I have nothing to do with it. I had no idea what it was. A group of people got together. They drew up some conservative values, very conservative values, and in some case, perhaps they went over the line. Perhaps they didn’t. I have no idea what project 25 is, but they use it and they know it. Just like Charlottesville, totally discredited. They use Charlottesville. You know, Biden gets up all the time, says Charlottesville. He ran because of Charlottesville. We got he got run out of office by the Democrats. They did a coup on him. And he’s sitting someplace in California on a beach because he’s in California, crime ridden, crime ridden place. It’s not the same place. More people leaving than coming. And all of the things that these people have done. Kamala has been the worst. Everything she touched turned bad. California turned bad. San Francisco. You can’t walk into San Francisco. You barely can go into California anymore, people. It’s a state that’s in terrible, terrible crime. Trouble in every other form of trouble. Monetary troubles. It’s got nothing. Drugs all over the place. You go into Los Angeles, you can’t walk down the streets. It’s a shame between Gavin Newsom, but it was really more Kamala because she was your, district attorney in San Francisco. San Francisco is unlivable now. Unlivable 15 years ago as the most beautiful city, one of the greatest cities in the world. Today, it’s unlivable. It’s going to have to be hopefully be able to be brought back, if that’s possible. Kamala, who’s a Marxist and a radical left, frankly, she’s a radical left lunatic. And if she became president, if this country would turn out to be a big version of San Francisco or a big version of California itself. So these guys, they talk about that, they talk about all different things that they know are totally discredited. They have a thing with soldiers where I’m looking over the graves of soldiers and saying, horrible thing about dead soldiers from World War One. It was totally made up. It was a made up story. I confirmed that was confirmed, but my side of it by 26 people in the military that it never happened. They had one lunatic, talking about it, and they use it all the time. There’s nobody that loves the military more than me. Nobody did more for the military. I rebuilt the military. They gave away $85 billion of it away to Afghanistan in the dumbest and and one of the most horrible things that’s ever happened. Probably the most embarrassing moment that ever happened to a country that.

<Brian interrupts to say Kamala Harris was involved in the Afghanistan decisions>

She was she was the last one [in the room]. No chance of what she made the decision. She made the decision. And it was one of the most embarrassing decisions. Not Brian, not the fact that we got out the way they got out. I was ready to get out, but I was going to keep Bagram. That’s one of the biggest air bases in the world. It was one hour away from where China makes their nuclear weapons one hour away. Very important that we keep it. They left Bagram the biggest runway, most powerful runways cannot can handle the heaviest loads. This was designed billions and billions of dollars years ago. We gave them the keys. And now China occupies Bagram. We should have kept that. That was the one thing we should have stayed. Not because of Afghanistan, but because of China. And we gave it up. They took the soldiers out before they did. Soldiers first we left people we have to this day, we have people living there. They can’t get out. We 13 great people who I know the families, as you know, 13 great people killed 45, absolutely obliterated the arms and legs and hundreds of people killed during that day, people falling off planes, many people falling off planes from 3000ft up in the air. That’s like three times the height of the Empire State Building. President Trump you’re talking about sad to see you’re talking to them to listen to. Excuse me, but then I have to listen to a lightweight like this, get up and absolutely lie. But they all lied and they mentioned my name. I read where, and frankly, I watched where you said you groups that you said specifically I think they mentioned. Me 297 times. They mentioned the border. Once they mention crime twice, they don’t mention the economy because the economy’s horrible. They defrauded the people of our country with with the job numbers. You saw that 818,000 fake jobs they put in the roles. They thought they could keep it. They thought they were going to keep those numbers until right after the election, when they could announce a revision. But they weren’t able to do that because they had a leaker and somebody leaked the numbers. They were fraudulent job numbers, just like they have fraudulent crime numbers. The FBI didn’t include New York, Chicago and Oakland and a couple of other places that aren’t doing so well. If they would have included those numbers, they’re the worst crime numbers we’ve ever had.
 
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