How do you politely turn away a Jehovah Witness at your door?

[Daniel9v9]

God impressed on my heart and mind that I needed to read my Bible. God did that --- no one else.

Yes. We can receive God’s Word by reading it (2 timothy 3:16-17) or by hearing it preached (Romans 10:14-15). But all believers, and especially pastors, are called to proclaim Christ to those around us.

 

[CoreyD]

We don't bring people to Christ. God does.

Perhaps you are thinking of John 6:44.
That says God draws persons to Christ, but how does God draw persons... by what means?

Talking to cultists doesn't save them. God does. Few of us have the ability to change a person's devotion to a false God.

From what I have experienced, many of these don't have the ability to change their own devotion to a false God.
However, that is a different subject.

And to spend hours talking to cultists might be hours you could spend with someone else.

So, you do believe we should spend our time talking to others about the Bible. That's good... but who are these?
Do you mean Atheists? Hindus? Buddhists? Muslims?...
Surely you aren't saying any one of these is better than JWs, and LDS, and we make the decision on whom will change, are you?

Or are you saying we don't talk to any of these persons, but just talk to those we consider Christian and argue with these?
I don't believe you are saying there is no need to "Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; convict, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and instruction.", as stated at 2 Timothy 4:2. Am I right?

Certainly you have read the Bible through and through.
You didn't miss the purpose Jesus and the apostles went throughout the world, talking to people for hours, did you?
Did you know when Jesus was resurrected, he only had the eleven, and a handful of disciples... after a whole three years of talking to people... and performing great miracles.
That's more than we can do.

I hope you don't think I am wasting my time sharing this with you, but whether people think this or not, God is taking note of those who, do his will 1 Timothy 2:3, 4, so I want to share this in obedience to God, and Christ.
Hopefully, it will reach rich soil. Matthew 13:8

Why was Jesus sent to spend three and a half years talking to the Jews?
Luke 4:43

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.”

Why did Jesus train men to talk to people for the duration of their life, and order them to teach and make disciples of people of the whole world?
Luke 8:1-3; Luke 9:1-6; Luke 10:1-12; Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:19, 20; Romans 10:13-15

Paul spoke about his ministry, throughout his letters, and Act's of the Apostles is an action packed book of the zealous preaching and disciple making that took place in the first century.
Acts 20:20, 21

20 You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house. 21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

Did you notice the Bible actually says, unless they got a witness, and heard the gospel, they could not be saved... and whether they accepted or not, they were to hear?
1 Corinthians 9:22, 23
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

Did you also notice that it is the message God uses to draw individuals? Their response mattered.
Did you also notice that Paul valued the ministry, because by means of it, he could save some?
It is true, that many churches teach that we don't save anyone, but that is not scriptural.
If we jump into the water, to save a drowning person, we have saved that person.
Jesus said his disciples became 'fishers of men", and would be catching men alive. Luke 5:10
So, yes, Jesus' disciples do save 'cultist' who listen to them.
Jude 1:23

save others by snatching them from the fire;

Surely you don't think these wasted their time.

Choosing to politely guard our alotted time on earth doesn't mean we don't love others. The story of the Good Samaritan comes to mind. God provided help to the victim. Perhaps He directs us to wisely use our time.

Yes, God directs those who are willing to extend themselves to help save some... without showing partiality.
The Bible says God desires all people [- the good, the bad, and the ugly,] to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

God knows people connect to love. People can sense when love is not there, more than favoritism.
If we are motivated by love, to preach to all people, that will be evident in impartially reaching out to all... including "cultists"

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One can only shake the dust off their feet, if they went through the dust.
You just opened your door... if you did that at all, isn't that so.
They are the ones with the dust on their feet.

If you approached a JW or LDS, or went to their home, carrying the gospel, that would be a different story.
Have you ever went to either's home?
It would surprise me if you said yes, because I never ever in my life saw any of you in any of the three neighborhoods I lived. Not once.

Can you tell me why that is?
Why are people seeing "Cultists" doing what people know the Lord said to do, but you aren't doing it?

I wasn't prepared to refute Mormons when they came to me as a teenager.

I think @HTacianas has a solution for that.

 

[CoreyD]

First let me correct my typo.
I meant to write "It is not my intention to make them feel bad."


I have a lot of experience with Jehovah's Witnesses.
This thread posed a question which I thought appropriate to answer for that particular questioner, ( apparently a young believer imo).
I could have given other kinds of experiences and advice. I gaged my reply on how I felt the need was expressed.

If someone asks on how to deal with Jehovah's Witnesses in other ways, like to give them the gospel, I would
have drawn from my experience in that realm.
My sense was that the poster was rather young in the Lord.

I would not advize someone relatively young in the Lord to easily engage a Jehovah's Witness.
They are not on your doorstep to LISTEN to anything you have to say.
They are trained to do all the talking and the other person to do all of the listening.

A young believer can be damaged and led astray by attempting to argue with a seasoned trained Jehovah's Witness.
I am at peace with the advice sought and asked by the initiator of this thread.


I have never had that situation. Though I have had many Watchtower trainees come to my door engage in conversation
on the job, that particular hypethetical situation I have never had.

I trust the Lord to lead me what to do in that case.

We all will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of our Christian service.
I will not stand before your judgment seat but before my Lord's.
Neither will you have to give an account to me for your service to your Lord Jesus.

Concocting hypothetical cases of all kinds, anyone can do.
I can do that too.

If you have another way to deal with a door knocking Watchtower trainee, you follow the sense of life and peace in your
spirit and conscience do that.

John's exhortation is a good guideline for me. Along with other examples in the NT of the apostles dealing with
workers against the Good News also come into account for me. For example -

But a slave of the Lord ought not to contend but be gentle toward all, apt to teach, bearing with wrong;
In meekness correcting those who oppose, if perhaps God may give them repentance unto the full knowledge of the truth,
And they may return to soberness out of the snare of the devil, having been caught alive by him, unto His will. (2 Tim. 2:24)

Meekness and gentlness can still be firm and frank.
Sometimes I spent a little while to listen to their experience of how they got into Watchtower training.
Sometimes one might be dealing with a regenerated Christian who has fallen into Watchtower training.
I did not offer this advice to the initiator of this thread. But I have had times when I tried to discern what is the spiritual condition of
the JW who is talking to me.

At present I have weekly Bible study (when he is able) with a genuine brother in Christ who was confused by Morman teaching.
I do so with another Christian as a team. The balance and help of another experienced Christian with me has been very successful
in helping this believer.

Again, my reply to the question of the OP was geared to what I thought was that questioner's best advice.
If you do not approve I accept that.

Speak definitely and strongly without being nasty that GOD is JESUS.
Because the CENTRAL effort of JW is to destroy that faith. They train, they drill, they prepare to attack that central truth.
And like the Apostle Paul I will not subject myself to that effort upon me for a moment.

To them we yielded with the subjection demanded not even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might remain with you. (Gal. 2:5)

Now "What about if he is having cardiac arrest?" or "What about is running away from a violent mpb?" or any number of other "What Ifs"
I am not dealing with on this thread in an exhaustive way to prove anything.

If such a situation arises at my doorstep, maybe I'll be around to tell you how the Lord led me in that situation.


And He said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” (Matt. 22:37)
Because I do love the Lord Jesus very much I do not hesitate to inform the antichrist spirit trained to attack that - that they are wasting
their time. God is the man Jesus Christ.

There are more times in which I wish I had been so straightforward with my neighbor about the than there are not.
That includes every neighbor.

And the second is like it: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself. " (v. 39)

If I did not openly confess to this deceived person that Jesus is God become a man, THAT would not be love for my fellow man.


I did not tell the questioner who wrote the OP to not answer the door.
I instructed the dear one (whom I ascertained was not that experienced in Christian life) to speak frankly with the JW on terms
that they get the point immediately.

They are trained to engage believers in long discussions. And they are not there to listen to you. They are there to get YOU to listen
to everything THEY have to say. And the main thing they have to say is that Jehovah is not a man.

Now, for your edification, when I have engaged in conversations with a door knocking JW I use to use the 1901 American Standard Bible.
That is the one they used on doorsteps until they came up with their New World Translation.
The reason they stopped using the ASV (which is a good English translation) was because it said Jehovah was the Mighty God as well as
the Almighty God.

One of their biggest talking points is that there is a difference between the Mighty God and the Almighty God.
The ASV which they use to publish and use definitely contradicts that. So they came up with the New World Translation.
And I do not feel right in my spirit to even have one of those in my house.
I feel the same repulsion of owning a New World Translation as I would having a Picture of "Jesus" or a statue of a man on a cross in my house.

I think it is the result of demonic doctrines - that New World Translation.
So I advice Christians to make a good confession up front - Jesus is Jehovah become a man.


The Watchtower trainee denies that God is the Father and the Son.
Of course they believe that Jesus was a man in the flesh.

The Gnostics John was dealing with did not believe anything good could be flesh.
They taught that Jesus was too wonderful to have been flesh. He was a fantasm.

fantasm

noun​

1. Same as phantasm.
2. Alternative spelling of phantasm.
3. A ghostly appearing figure.

John did not say that was the ONLY antichrist teaching. That was only one of many antichrist teachings.

I used John exhortation because the Watchtower student is trained to "go beyond" the proper presentation
of God in the Bible. They do not believe the resurrected Christ is in the flesh.
They do not believe in the triune God.
And whatever valid points they may have about Christmas, Easter, or other things, this vital truth they TRAIN to destroy
in the hearts of people. Especially they are trained to destroy with twistings the faith of Christians for whom Jesus is their Lord and God.

Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
Jesus said to him, Because you have seen Me,
you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed. (John 20:28,29)

Thank you.

 

[Lukaris]

The JW Bible says in John 1:1 that the Word was “a god” while the true Bible says the Word “was God”.

The King James Version:

John 1:1
King James Version
​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God



The Watchtower version:

According to John​

1 In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god.+

 

[Stone-n-Steel]

Jehovah Witnesses have been knocking on my door. I was hoping there was a polite way to turn them away. I don't want to get into a debate with them, but I want them to understand that I have no desire to study their bible.

I did invite them in several years ago and after talking to the man he asked me why I replied the way I did. I told him I am trying to save his soul and he left soon after. Then a week later they sent an elder to talk to me and I did the same thing. I tried to call them back, but was told that both of the men had to go out of town for a retreat.

It seems they needed to be re-programmed.

 

[Lukaris]

The JW Bible says in John 1:1 that “the Word was a god” as opposed to “the Word was God”. Perhaps say that this is a
non negotiable matter with firmness and kindness. They probably mean well & just say I appreciate your kindness and wish them well.

I buy Bibles (KJV) from Dollar Tree for $1.25 & put a couple now & then in our narthex for the taking ( I pray they move fast so I can refill the counter). Maybe keep a couple on hand and offer them a Bible with a sound translation. Their Bible may seem 99 % sound but have a tiny, dangerous, misconception or deception.


The watchtower mistranslation of John 1:1

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/43/1

 

[Dave G.]

They usually don't identify right away as JW but offer the booklet. So I take the booklet, look at it to be sure it's the Watch Tower publication. I then hand it back to them and say that I'm well familiar with JW and that I'm not interested. I ask them to move on, and close the door. They haven't been here in a long time since starting this method.

My pastor friend and long time associate in the faith, leads them on, if encountering them. Using their own bible, he shows them the flaws in their doctrine. He even led two to the Lord. Eventually this got back to the elders and now he is no longer visited by them.

 

[oikonomia]

I did invite them in several years ago and after talking to the man he asked me why I replied the way I did. I told him I am trying to save his soul and he left soon after. Then a week later they sent an elder to talk to me and I did the same thing. I tried to call them back, but was told that both of the men had to go out of town for a retreat.

It seems they needed to be re-programmed.

It sounds familiar.
That is for a Watchtower team to return with a senior instructor to deal with some Christian they could not make headway with, but was
willing to talk.

When this happened to me I could see the look on the junior student's face. That is a look of eagerness
that I was going to be creamed.

I did not fall for it. I had spoken my stance on Jesus before and saw no need to repeat it with her instructor, a man older than I.
I was not afraid. I just knew that it would be totally unfruitful.

Consider, if you invite them to talk in your home, 99% of the time you are just going to have
to say something like "That's all the time I can give on this." Most of the time they are NOT GOING TO BUDGE.
They are trained not to budge.

One time an older very gentle Watchtower guy came with a young boy with him.
I saw that the protegege there was young and impressionable.
So I gave to the young fellow a Gospel track. "Maybe there is some hope for this one." I thought.

They left quickly after that because the young trainee received it willingly.
That was not suppose to happen.

In employment environments I have had long discussions with JW fellow employees.
I also know a Christian sister who was a JW for ten years and saw the light and got OUT.

 

[oikonomia]

When you let the JW into your home you have probably subjected your neighbors to
the same thing.

Having said these things, I do not fault JW for going door to door.
I do fault them for going door to door with a false teaching.

I have had some experience sharing the Gospel from door to door.
In one sense you have to respect their willingness to do that. It is not easy. But it can be exciting and rewarding as a team.

On the other hand, I think they think they are earning salvation by this work.

 

[CoreyD]

I have had some experience sharing the Gospel from door to door.
In one sense you have to respect their willingness to do that. It is not easy. But it can be exciting and rewarding as a team.

On the other hand, I think they think they are earning salvation by this work.

Since I like to know that fairness is being applied equally to every person...
Why did you have "some experience sharing the Gospel from door to door."?
Did you think you were earning salvation by doing that?
Did you stop doing it? If so, why?

 

[seeking.IAM]

They usually don't identify right away as JW but offer the booklet. So I take the booklet, look at it to be sure it's the Watch Tower publication. I then hand it back to them

I have learned that persons at the door handing me a booklet or event invitation without first identifying themselves are quite likely Jehovah's Witnesses. I have come to first asking who they are representing before deciding if I will reach out to accept the paper they are offering. The last time I did this, the lady did not give me a verbal response but silently pointed to the fine print at the bottom of the paper she was offering. I declined by saying, "I am not interested. Have a good day." I see no reason to accept paper that will go immediately to recycling unread. It seems a waste.

 

[oikonomia]

Since I like to know that fairness is being applied equally to every person...
Why did you have "some experience sharing the Gospel from door to door."?
Did you think you were earning salvation by doing that?
Did you stop doing it? If so, why?

Four questions were asked.

1.) The saints I met with try different things. And for a period we practiced "door knocking".
So I said I have some experience.

2.) No. My sharing the gospel in ANY manner is not to buy eternal redemption or eternal life.

3.) and 4.) Why did I stop? I did not stop sharing the gospel. I have tried different ways to do so over many years.
I think my best experience with the door knocking way was in a college dorm. Perhaps I'll do it again.
I have no commitment to never do door knocking again. I may.

Now you checked with me. Let me check now with you.

Have you known the joy of leading someone to the Lord Jesus?
Share with us an experience if you have some. And I will gladly recipicate.
I mean "successful" ones and also ones where God taught me something though I did not see the fruit of my sharing.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Having said these things, I do not fault JW for going door to door.
I do fault them for going door to door with a false teaching.

That's my problem with the situation. They're promoting that Jesus was not the Son of God, but is really Michael the Archangel. That there is no trinity, etc.
In the bible is says: 1 Corinthians 5:12
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?"

 

[CoreyD]

Four questions were asked.

1.) The saints I met with try different things. And for a period we practiced "door knocking".
So I said I have some experience.

It did not work out?
Why did they try it? Was it to follow the example of Jesus and his followers, or to imitate JWs, and LDS?

2.) No. My sharing the gospel in ANY manner is not to buy eternal redemption or eternal life.

At least you can defend yourself on that, here.

3.) and 4.) Why did I stop? I did not stop sharing the gospel. I have tried different ways to do so over many years.

No, I meant did you stop door to door, and why.

I think my best experience with the door knocking way was in a college dorm. Perhaps I'll do it again.

Perhaps that is due to the fact that young people are more pleasant and eager to get answers to their many perplexing questions.

I have no commitment to never do door knocking again. I may.

Sounds good.

Now you checked with me. Let me check now with you.

Have you known the joy of leading someone to the Lord Jesus?
Share with us an experience if you have some. And I will gladly recipicate.
I mean "successful" ones and also ones where God taught me something though I did not see the fruit of my sharing.

I hope you understand, but I'd rather not compete with persons, on questions like these.
I have no desire to brag about what I do, and my accomplishments. Although I could be like the apostle Paul. 2 Corinthians 11:16-12:10
However, I see no good reason to.
1 Corinthians 1:31 says Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 9:16 says Yet when I preach the gospel, I have no reason to boast, because I am obligated to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!

I asked the questions because in all fairness, just as you do not see what you did, as works to earn salvation, it's not fair, nor right to conclude that others do.
If you ask, they can tell you, just as I asked, and you told me.

I did not say, I think you did 'door knocking' to earn salvation, but that did not work out, because it was a bit of a discomfort, and so you tried something else.
That would be unfair to you... especially if you are not able to answer for yourself.

 

[CoreyD]

That's my problem with the situation. They're promoting that Jesus was not the Son of God, but is really Michael the Archangel. That there is no trinity, etc.
In the bible is says: 1 Corinthians 5:12
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?"

They're promoting that Jesus was not the Son of God?
I know for a fact that that is not true... Unless the JWs I know are all fake, and the true JWs are out there saying this.
Did you talk to JWs, or did you hear this from someone else?

 

[Chrystal-J]

They're promoting that Jesus was not the Son of God?
I know for a fact that that is not true... Unless the JWs I know are all fake, and the true JWs are out there saying this.
Did you talk to JWs, or did you hear this from someone else?

I had a study with them for months one time. They don't reveal that fact until later in the study. From the JW bible: "Jesus may have been the angel who guided the ancient Israelites through the wilderness and whose voice the Israelites were strictly to obey."

(Jesus is not Michael the Archangel, but is the Son of God.)

 

[Neogaia777]

As far as I know the JW's have a theory that Jesus could be Michael the Archangel who they see as the number one Highest Angel, and who is the most powerful Angel, and who was given command of/over all of the other Angels by YHWH or Jehovah God, and they see all Angels as Sons of God, and Michael the Archangel as the Chief One of them all, firstborn of all of them (the other Angels) and firstborn of all creation and anything else that was made by YHWH/Jehovah God, etc.

However I don't know if they fully believe in scriptures like (Colossians 1:16-17) or not, etc, and they more than likely don't maybe, etc, unless they believe that the Angels took part in making or creating maybe, etc, which I don't know if they do or not right now currently, etc.

They put a lot of emphasis on YHWH/Jehovah as the only God, or only True God, but will say that Jesus is The Son of God, and most of them will say "The" and not just "A", etc, but this is mainly only to distinguish Him from all of the other Angels, and not to establish him as "God", or equal to Jehovah or YHWH God, who they view as the only, true or otherwise, only God, etc. Most of them will say Jesus is/was the Word of YHWH God, but in their Bibles, John 1:1 says that Jesus/The Word was only "a god", with a "little g", and not "God" with a big "G", in order to distinguish Him from Jehivah God or YHWH, etc.

They do not believe in the Trinity, as they don't think there is anyone truly equal to Jehovah/YHWH God, etc. They also do not believe in the Trinty because of their views on the Holy Spirit also, etc, but have replaced almost all mentions of the Holy Spirit in their Bibles with the words "active force", etc, making God the Holy Spirit not a person who is personal, or who gets personal, but some kind of impersonal force, and who is most definitely not God, or equal to God, etc.

The one thing they did get right though is restoring the name of God back into the Old and New Testaments when and where it is supposed to be there, and that much they got right, etc, and they have done some very, very deep studies into the divine name also, etc, most of which, about that at least, are mostly correct, etc.

Some of you say you have studied with them, etc. Well, I used to be one for a while, etc, and it is how I got my beginnings, etc. But while I am grateful for the background, I am so very, very far away from them now, and am so very far removed from them now that I could never go back, even if I wanted to now, etc. Partly because I don't want to, and partly because I can't now, and I hope most of you hopefully know what I mean when I say that, etc. My beliefs are so very, very much closer to true Christianity now that I can never go back, etc, as there would be an almost immediate and inevitable conflict if I ever tried, or desired to try, and there is absolutely nothing I can do about that, etc. I'm certainly not going to try and change my beliefs now in order to fit back in with them again, etc.

I can't quite remember their beliefs on the second coming, and whether they think that's YHWH or Jesus who is coming back or not, etc (obviously it's Jesus, but I forget what they believe about that, etc).

And they believe in a paradise Earth/planet, I think when Jesus comes back, etc, but also like I said, I forget what they believe about that, etc, it could be Jehovah or YHWH that they think comes back at the second coming maybe to judge/sort/separate and all of that, etc. And they don't seem to know about the Heaven that comes after that either or also, etc, so their beliefs are maybe only at best, maybe only just part or partially correct about that there maybe, etc, because there will be a paradise Earth before Heaven for some of us, etc, or for those taking part in the first resurrection, etc, but I can talk some more about that later, etc.

Anyway, that's about all I can remember right now, as it's been a really long time now, etc, and I'm too far removed from them to know or remember anymore now, etc, also like I already said, etc.

Oh and they do believe in Jesus resurrection, and that He died to pay for our sins, but they also seem to be just a little bit confused (some of them) on just who it is we need to call upon to truly be saved, etc, and whether that is Jesus, or Jehovah/YHWH, etc.

Anyway, that's all I know or can remember for now, etc.

If I forgot something I'll let you know later, ok.

God Bless.

 

[CoreyD]

I had a study with them for months one time. They don't reveal that fact until later in the study. From the JW bible: "Jesus may have been the angel who guided the ancient Israelites through the wilderness and whose voice the Israelites were strictly to obey."

(Jesus is not Michael the Archangel, but is the Son of God.)

Perhaps you were distracted during your study, or you forgot some of what they taught you. JWs do not promote that Jesus was not the Son of God?

Their website is public, so you can always search the question "Is Jesus the son of God?" there.

 

[Neogaia777]

As far as I know the JW's have a theory that Jesus could be Michael the Archangel who they see as the number one Highest Angel, and who is the most powerful Angel, and who was given command of/over all of the other Angels by YHWH or Jehovah God, and they see all Angels as Sons of God, and Michael the Archangel as the Chief One of them all, firstborn of all of them (the other Angels) and firstborn of all creation and anything else that was made by YHWH/Jehovah God, etc.

However I don't know if they fully believe in scriptures like (Colossians 1:16-17) or not, etc, and they more than likely don't maybe, etc, unless they believe that the Angels took part in making or creating maybe, etc, which I don't know if they do or not right now currently, etc.

They put a lot of emphasis on YHWH/Jehovah as the only God, or only True God, but will say that Jesus is The Son of God, and most of them will say "The" and not just "A", etc, but this is mainly only to distinguish Him from all of the other Angels, and not to establish him as "God", or equal to Jehovah or YHWH God, who they view as the only, true or otherwise, only God, etc. Most of them will say Jesus is/was the Word of YHWH God, but in their Bibles, John 1:1 says that Jesus/The Word was only "a god", with a "little g", and not "God" with a big "G", in order to distinguish Him from Jehivah God or YHWH, etc.

They do not believe in the Trinity, as they don't think there is anyone truly equal to Jehovah/YHWH God, etc. They also do not believe in the Trinty because of their views on the Holy Spirit also, etc, but have replaced almost all mentions of the Holy Spirit in their Bibles with the words "active force", etc, making God the Holy Spirit not a person who is personal, or who gets personal, but some kind of impersonal force, and is most definitely not God, or equal to God, etc.

The one thing they did get right though is restoring the name of God back into the Old and New Testaments when and where it is supposed to be there, and that much they got right, etc, and they have done some very, very deep studies into the divine name also, etc, most of which, about that at least, are mostly correct, etc.

Some of you say you have studied with them, etc. Well, I used to be one for a while, etc, and it is how I got my beginnings, etc. But while I am grateful for the background, I am so very, very far away from them now, and am so very far removed from them now that I could never go back, even if I wanted to now, etc. Partly because I don't want to, and partly because I can't now, and I think most of you hopefully know what I mean, etc. My beliefs are so very, very much closer to true Christianity now that I can never go back, etc, as there would be an almost immediate and inevitable conflict if I ever tried, or desired to try, and there is absolutely nothing I can do about that, etc. I'm certainly not going to try and change my beliefs now in order to fit back in with them again, etc.

I can't quite remember their beliefs on the second coming, and whether they think that's YHWH or Jesus who is coming back or not, etc (obviously it's Jesus, but I forget what they believe about that, etc).

And they believe in a paradise Earth/planet, I think when Jesus comes back, etc, but also like I said, I forget what they believe about that, etc, it could be Jehovah or YHWH that they think comes back at the second coming maybe to judge/sort/separate and all of that, etc. And they don't seem to know about the Heaven that comes after that also or either, etc, so their beliefs are maybe only at best, maybe only just part or partially correct about that there maybe, etc, because there will be a paradise Earth before Heaven for some of us, etc, or for those taking part in the first resurrection, etc, but I can talk some more about that later, etc.

Anyway, that's about all I can remember right now, as it's been a really long time now, etc, and I'm too far removed from them to know or remember anymore now, etc, also like I already said, etc.

Oh and they do believe in Jesus resurrection, and that He died to pay for our sins, but they also seem to be just a little bit confused (some of them) on just who it is we need to call upon to truly be saved, etc, and whether that is Jesus, or Jehovah/YHWH, etc.

Anyway, that's all I know or can remember for now, etc.

If I forgot something I'll let you know later, ok.

God Bless.

Beyond this, they do think their religion is the only true religion, etc, and that all the rest of Christiandom who does not believe the exact same way that they do is part of the great harlot, or Babylon the Great, etc, and will all take the mark of the beast, and will all therefore be or stand condemned, when the time comes, etc. Theirs is the only true religion, etc. Jehovah/YHWH is the only true way, etc. And Jesus is sometimes secondary to that, and is not ever equal to Jehovah/YHWH, etc.

They will also disfellowship people for certain kinds of continual or repeated sins, etc, even separating family members from one another if they have to, etc, and whomever does not gree with their disfellowshiping, will be or get disfellowshiped themselves also, etc. And they will also do this over continued disputes about or over theology or doctrine also, etc. Whomever does not agree with them or their doctrine will get cut off/disfellowshiped, etc.

For these reasons, and maybe a few more, is why some people will refer to them as "cult" sometimes, etc.

I will tell you more as I remember more.

God Bless.

 

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Beyond this, they do think their religion is the only true religion, etc, and that all the rest of Christiandom who does not believe the exact same way that they do is part of the great harlot, or Babylon the Great, etc, and will all take the mark of the beast, and will all therefore be or stand condemned, when the time comes, etc. Theirs is the only true religion, etc. Jehovah/YHWH is the only true way, etc. And Jesus is sometimes secondary to that, and is not equal to Jehovah/YHWH, etc.

They will also disfellowship people for certain kinds of continual or repeated sins, etc, even separating family members from one another if they have to, etc, and whomever does not gree with their disfellowshiping, will be or get disfellowshiped themselves also, etc. And they will also do this over continued disputes about or over theology or doctrine also, etc. Whomever does not agree with them or their doctrine will get cut off/disfellowshiped, etc.

For these reasons, and maybe a few more, is why some people will refer to them as "cult" sometimes, etc.

I will tell you more as I remember more.

God Bless.

They also have some funny ideas about communion, that it is only for the 144,000 that are the elect, and that these are not Jews, but are only a very few select members from only their own religion only, etc. They do the communion, which they call the passover, only once a year, and they try to get as close to the Jewish calendar date on it as possible when passover is said to occur on the Jewish calendar each year, which is always different each year on our calendar, etc.

And most of them don't partake of the bread and the wine, but they pass it around and it gets passed-over by almost all of them, etc. If you actually eat some of the bread, or drink some of the wine, you'll more than likely be approached by some of the elders when the service, which they call they also call the memorial, is over, etc, as they take the passage that talks about partaking of bread and the wine unworthily quite literally, etc.

God Bless.