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How do you politely turn away a Jehovah Witness at your door?

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I think I prefer the Bible's definition.
1 Corinthians 13:1-8
1 If I speak with the tongues of mankind and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. 5 It does not act disgracefully,

We know one can be nasty without being verbally nasty.
Gracefulness is shown, not only in speech, but actions also.
How does one let their peace return to them, if there is no peace?

If a Jehovah's Witness was at your door, and was having an asthma attack, or fainted, or...
You would not close the door, and refuse to help, would you?
What if he thanks you after, and offers his hand?
Would your refusal to shake his hand not tell him, "Look. I don't really care about you, you know. I only helped you because I felt it was my duty."?
Is that how our ministry is viewed... a duty?

Is it not love for God, and neighbor, that is the basis for the ministry? Matthew 22:37-39; Matthew 5:43-48


Oh, I see.
You were trying to apply scripture. I understand.
In that case, would you not have to even refuse to greet the person?

2 John 1:7-10
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
9 Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him

Both JWs, and LDS believe that Jesus came in the flesh though.


So, I am just wondering why you apply this scripture to them.
This as a link to Mormonism which you are obviously and deceptively promothing.

Mormons believe that all humans are children of an exalted man god and one of his wives who is referred to as "heavenly mother." Each Mormon is expected to obey enough Mormon commandments to become exalted (attain godhood). Those who attain godhood through obedience must be married to an eternal spouse; they have been married in a Mormon temple.

I can inform CF members of multiple denominations of Mormon teachings about your three gods. Mormon so-called "heavenly father" has an exalted body of flesh and bone. He impregnated his daughter Mary with the Mormon "jesus." Jesus in Mormonism has been refered to as the "the only begotten son in the flesh" while the rest of us did not receive flesh from Mormon heavenly father and one of his wives. We are said to have received spirit bodies in a premortal experience. All spirit is said to be matter that takes up space.


That's plenty of info for now unless someone has a specific question.
 
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You don't want to shake their hands? Why?
Mormons are sticklers for handshakes... they even like the secret ones that are taught in the temples reserved for the elite Mormons.
 
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What makes you think I don’t believe JW members are people when I call them people? They are certainly people, but people who reject the person and works of our Lord Jesus Christ. Like all people, they need to hear that they are sinners who need repentance and faith in Jesus, to receive forgiveness of sins, adoption by God, and eternal life. Sadly they don’t want to hear this. But if the good news of Jesus cause some to leave their religion and receive Christ as Lord, God be praised!
God impressed on my heart and mind that I needed to read my Bible. God did that --- no one else.
 
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Their beliefs and scriptures are intolerant, but they catch more converts with honey than with vinegar. Part of their strategy in gaining converts is polteness and conservative appearance. They won't tell you that your church is apostate or of the devil. Their scriptures do that.
That's exactly what they did to me once. So nice and friendly, but once I read their true beliefs, there was no way I was gonna believe any of it.
 
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I think I prefer the Bible's definition.
1 Corinthians 13:1-8
1 If I speak with the tongues of mankind and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous; love does not brag, it is not arrogant. 5 It does not act disgracefully,
First let me correct my typo.
I meant to write "It is not my intention to make them feel bad."

We know one can be nasty without being verbally nasty.
Gracefulness is shown, not only in speech, but actions also.
How does one let their peace return to them, if there is no peace?
I have a lot of experience with Jehovah's Witnesses.
This thread posed a question which I thought appropriate to answer for that particular questioner, ( apparently a young believer imo).
I could have given other kinds of experiences and advice. I gaged my reply on how I felt the need was expressed.

If someone asks on how to deal with Jehovah's Witnesses in other ways, like to give them the gospel, I would
have drawn from my experience in that realm.
My sense was that the poster was rather young in the Lord.

I would not advize someone relatively young in the Lord to easily engage a Jehovah's Witness.
They are not on your doorstep to LISTEN to anything you have to say.
They are trained to do all the talking and the other person to do all of the listening.

A young believer can be damaged and led astray by attempting to argue with a seasoned trained Jehovah's Witness.
I am at peace with the advice sought and asked by the initiator of this thread.

If a Jehovah's Witness was at your door, and was having an asthma attack, or fainted, or...
You would not close the door, and refuse to help, would you?
I have never had that situation. Though I have had many Watchtower trainees come to my door engage in conversation
on the job, that particular hypethetical situation I have never had.

I trust the Lord to lead me what to do in that case.
What if he thanks you after, and offers his hand?
Would your refusal to shake his hand not tell him, "Look. I don't really care about you, you know. I only helped you because I felt it was my duty."?
Is that how our ministry is viewed... a duty?
We all will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of our Christian service.
I will not stand before your judgment seat but before my Lord's.
Neither will you have to give an account to me for your service to your Lord Jesus.

Concocting hypothetical cases of all kinds, anyone can do.
I can do that too.

If you have another way to deal with a door knocking Watchtower trainee, you follow the sense of life and peace in your
spirit and conscience do that.

John's exhortation is a good guideline for me. Along with other examples in the NT of the apostles dealing with
workers against the Good News also come into account for me. For example -

But a slave of the Lord ought not to contend but be gentle toward all, apt to teach, bearing with wrong;
In meekness correcting those who oppose, if perhaps God may give them repentance unto the full knowledge of the truth,
And they may return to soberness out of the snare of the devil, having been caught alive by him, unto His will. (2 Tim. 2:24)

Meekness and gentlness can still be firm and frank.
Sometimes I spent a little while to listen to their experience of how they got into Watchtower training.
Sometimes one might be dealing with a regenerated Christian who has fallen into Watchtower training.
I did not offer this advice to the initiator of this thread. But I have had times when I tried to discern what is the spiritual condition of
the JW who is talking to me.

At present I have weekly Bible study (when he is able) with a genuine brother in Christ who was confused by Morman teaching.
I do so with another Christian as a team. The balance and help of another experienced Christian with me has been very successful
in helping this believer.

Again, my reply to the question of the OP was geared to what I thought was that questioner's best advice.
If you do not approve I accept that.

Speak definitely and strongly without being nasty that GOD is JESUS.
Because the CENTRAL effort of JW is to destroy that faith. They train, they drill, they prepare to attack that central truth.
And like the Apostle Paul I will not subject myself to that effort upon me for a moment.

To them we yielded with the subjection demanded not even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might remain with you. (Gal. 2:5)

Now "What about if he is having cardiac arrest?" or "What about is running away from a violent mpb?" or any number of other "What Ifs"
I am not dealing with on this thread in an exhaustive way to prove anything.

If such a situation arises at my doorstep, maybe I'll be around to tell you how the Lord led me in that situation.

Is it not love for God, and neighbor, that is the basis for the ministry? Matthew 22:37-39; Matthew 5:43-48
And He said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” (Matt. 22:37)
Because I do love the Lord Jesus very much I do not hesitate to inform the antichrist spirit trained to attack that - that they are wasting
their time. God is the man Jesus Christ.

There are more times in which I wish I had been so straightforward with my neighbor about the than there are not.
That includes every neighbor.

And the second is like it: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself. " (v. 39)

If I did not openly confess to this deceived person that Jesus is God become a man, THAT would not be love for my fellow man.

Oh, I see.
You were trying to apply scripture. I understand.
In that case, would you not have to even refuse to greet the person?
I did not tell the questioner who wrote the OP to not answer the door.
I instructed the dear one (whom I ascertained was not that experienced in Christian life) to speak frankly with the JW on terms
that they get the point immediately.

They are trained to engage believers in long discussions. And they are not there to listen to you. They are there to get YOU to listen
to everything THEY have to say. And the main thing they have to say is that Jehovah is not a man.

Now, for your edification, when I have engaged in conversations with a door knocking JW I use to use the 1901 American Standard Bible.
That is the one they used on doorsteps until they came up with their New World Translation.
The reason they stopped using the ASV (which is a good English translation) was because it said Jehovah was the Mighty God as well as
the Almighty God.

One of their biggest talking points is that there is a difference between the Mighty God and the Almighty God.
The ASV which they use to publish and use definitely contradicts that. So they came up with the New World Translation.
And I do not feel right in my spirit to even have one of those in my house.
I feel the same repulsion of owning a New World Translation as I would having a Picture of "Jesus" or a statue of a man on a cross in my house.

I think it is the result of demonic doctrines - that New World Translation.
So I advice Christians to make a good confession up front - Jesus is Jehovah become a man.

2 John 1:7-10
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
9 Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him

Both JWs, and LDS believe that Jesus came in the flesh though.


So, I am just wondering why you apply this scripture to them.
The Watchtower trainee denies that God is the Father and the Son.
Of course they believe that Jesus was a man in the flesh.

The Gnostics John was dealing with did not believe anything good could be flesh.
They taught that Jesus was too wonderful to have been flesh. He was a fantasm.

fantasm

noun​

  1. Same as phantasm.
  2. Alternative spelling of phantasm.
  3. A ghostly appearing figure.
John did not say that was the ONLY antichrist teaching. That was only one of many antichrist teachings.

I used John exhortation because the Watchtower student is trained to "go beyond" the proper presentation
of God in the Bible. They do not believe the resurrected Christ is in the flesh.
They do not believe in the triune God.
And whatever valid points they may have about Christmas, Easter, or other things, this vital truth they TRAIN to destroy
in the hearts of people. Especially they are trained to destroy with twistings the faith of Christians for whom Jesus is their Lord and God.

Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
Jesus said to him, Because you have seen Me,
you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed. (John 20:28,29)
 
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Their beliefs and scriptures are intolerant, but they catch more converts with honey than with vinegar. Part of their strategy in gaining converts is polteness and conservative appearance. They won't tell you that your church is apostate or of the devil. Their scriptures do that.
Thank you for the input. Always found the Book of Mormon a difficult read.
 
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In my region very few times do I see them knock on our door. I usually see them now in the down town area standing in front of a bank with a stand and literature. I do feel for some of them....some of them look like their in their 70's and I'm wondering how good it is for them physically and mentally to be even doing this thing. (long day standing) I just wondered where a conversation would go with them....talking to them about Jesus being divinity and you know they've had the conversation a hundred times before. Is there any way to even change them. I'd think it's best if they were neighbors to one living next door then at least you can love them, establish a repour with them and then maybe their staunch positions on things might be relaxed.
 
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Thank you for the input. Always found the Book of Mormon a difficult read.
I understand. I couldn't read the Book of M. all the way through because it was upsetting. When I tried to read their Doctrine and Covenants (also considered scripture), Section One was horrifying, but I didn't know where to go for help! It took me several years to flee that organization.
 
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I understand. I couldn't read the Book of M. all the way through because it was upsetting. When I tried to read their Doctrine and Covenants (also considered scripture), Section One was horrifying, but I didn't know where to go for help! It took me several years to flee that organization.
I actually had the Quad (KJV Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, and Word of Wisdom).

I never attempted to read it.

I'm not even Mormon nor have I ever been one.
 
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In my region very few times do I see them knock on our door. I usually see them now in the down town area standing in front of a bank with a stand and literature. I do feel for some of them....some of them look like their in their 70's and I'm wondering how good it is for them physically and mentally to be even doing this thing. (long day standing) I just wondered where a conversation would go with them....talking to them about Jesus being divinity and you know they've had the conversation a hundred times before. Is there any way to even change them. I'd think it's best if they were neighbors to one living next door then at least you can love them, establish a repour with them and then maybe their staunch positions on things might be relaxed.
Are you talking about JWs?
 
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I would just not answer the door.

There's no point...
That could be the best approach. And really you're doing them a favor for doing it that way. I'm sure they don't want the hostility of a person and their words spoiling their day and it's just one less unkind thing you've said to another human being on a certain day. Especially with ones which are somewhat elderly. I don't want them leaving my place feeling agitated and not having peace.
 
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I actually had the Quad (KJV Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, and Word of Wisdom).

I never attempted to read it.

I'm not even Mormon nor have I ever been one.
I think you mean Pearl of Great Price rather than Word of Wisdom. Word of W. refers to the dietary law and advice found in the Doctrine and Covenants.
 
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Yes JWs but also Mormons.
I'm curious about who was at the Bank. There are so many, many Mormons in the west. I've never lived west of the Mississippi.
 
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I think you mean Pearl of Great Price rather than Word of Wisdom. Word of W. refers to the dietary law and advice found in the Doctrine and Covenants.
Yes! You're probably right.

My mistake.
 
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They were JWs.
Thanks. Having never lived in the west, I wondered about the Mormons. My area where I now live is mostly Mennonites, Catholics, and Protestants. A medium size city. I think there are United Pentcostals around; they like to engage strangers on campuses and such and are cultish non-Trinitarian modalists. Mormons are non-Trinitarian henotheists. A few Mormons, JWs, and Eastern Orthodox live in this county.
 
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What does selling someone mean?

Literally just that.

Back in the day we had salesman. A good salesman could sell you the shirt off your own back. Convincing people they needed all kinds of stuff they had no actual need for.

People often treat faith as a commodity to be "sold" to people just like saleman.

I was drawing a difference between that and just sharing your own faith with friends.
 
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