Project 2025 is NOT the Trump plan - do not get mislead

[JustOneWay]

What - good, reality-respecting, science respecting objective sources like Fox News?
Too funny mate - too funny.

There's an intelligence bell-curve in every nation. Sadly, those on the lower side of the IQ bell curve are often won over by the 10 word sound-bite. Trump knows how to pitch a simplified view of the world to those people.

But anyone who's done something that Mr Trump hasn't done in the last 30 years - like read a book (period! - but in this case I've got to add) about the world, like a little economics, a little geopolitics, a little science - can see where he could turn out to be an absolute catastrophe.

Trump once asked the Chief of Staff of Homeland Defence about building a moat across 2000 miles of the Mexico border and filling it with snakes and reptiles! Now that's just so incredibly .... not smart. (I was going to say another word but the forum algorithm probably wouldn't like it. )

The stuff about pulling out of NATO is just suicidal for global order.

Our ABC's flagship current affairs program - "4 Corners" - is running a 2 part special on Project 2025.
We're horrified at what we saw! Gobsmacked!

Part 2 comes out next week. Both parts should be essential viewing for any American to get an overseas view of what is happening in your country.

Just watch 5 to 10 minutes on Anonymous (the guy who leaked to the NYT during Trump's administration) and then they reveal who that was, and the stuff about the moat and NATO.

There you have it, and now you know that millions and millions of Americans want a border moat filled with alligators and snakes, and either have the wall electrified or just shoot them in the legs to slow them down. It doesn't really matter that all of that is illegal and impractical, but it is the willingness to go to the extremes because cruelty is easier and more entertaining than developing different civil solutions.

 

[Valletta]

I don't recall the man's name but he dealt with the border and Trump said he's bringing him back and he's involved with the foundation. I think @wing2000 is right. He'll say what he needs to get elected but the plan is in place of that I'm certain.

~bella

Prominent Democrats and liberal media pundits have worried about being thrown in jail, “massive camps” and more if former President Trump wins in November.
“For that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he’s planning are only for migrants? So, yes, I’m worried about me — but only as much as I’m worried about all of us,” MSNBC host Rachel Maddow said during an interview with CNN’s Oliver Darcy in June.

Maddow, AOC among liberal media and Dem lawmakers who worry Trump will jail them in ‘massive camps’ if he wins presidency

Trump has alluded to revenge against his political enemies in recent interviews and told Dr. Phil that sometimes it could be “justified.”

nypost.com

What if Project 2025 is just a distraction from planned massive camps?

 

[JustOneWay]

Prominent Democrats and liberal media pundits have worried about being thrown in jail, “massive camps” and more if former President Trump wins in November.
“For that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he’s planning are only for migrants? So, yes, I’m worried about me — but only as much as I’m worried about all of us,” MSNBC host Rachel Maddow said during an interview with CNN’s Oliver Darcy in June.

Maddow, AOC among liberal media and Dem lawmakers who worry Trump will jail them in ‘massive camps’ if he wins presidency

Trump has alluded to revenge against his political enemies in recent interviews and told Dr. Phil that sometimes it could be “justified.”

nypost.com

What if Project 2025 is just a distraction from planned massive camps?

Massive camps will be needed to round up the millions of so called 'illegals' and hold them until they 'ship them out'. Trump and Heritage wants this.
Trump has vowed retribution, and everybody on the list could be put in with the others who will be 'shipped out'. Her concern is warranted. Those who wanted liberal tears would see liberal tears.

 

[eclipsenow]

The subject is Project 2025--there is nothing in the subject about slurring individuals or media groups that don't conform with your political beliefs.
It simply is not Trump's project.

Trump is Trump's project.
He has been diagnosed as having Malignant Personality Disorder.
Do you really think he can resist the temptation to go along with Project 2025's agenda if they promise him something that is currently unconstitutional - like a third term?

The Supreme Court basically wiped his slate clean of any encouragement of January 6.
As the Lincoln Project said, just remember what was inconceivable 8 years ago that we now take for granted?

4 minutes.
These are ex-Republicans wanting to return the party to sanity.

 

[probinson]

Trump is Trump's project.
He has been diagnosed as having Malignant Personality Disorder.

Can you cite a source for this claim?

 

[Vambram]

I would love for the left wing liberals to tell me just how many would be too many illegal immigrants in the USA? We have had over millions upon millions cross our borders illegally in the during the Biden presidency. How many more millions of illegal immigrants do the liberals believe ought to be allowed into the USA?

 

[iluvatar5150]

I would love for the left wing liberals to tell me just how many would be too many illegal immigrants in the USA? We have had over millions upon millions cross our borders illegally in the during the Biden presidency. How many more millions of illegal immigrants do the liberals believe ought to be allowed into the USA?

I think there should be zero illegal aliens in the US. Legalize all the immigration.

 

[Vambram]

I think there should be zero illegal aliens in the US. Legalize all the immigration.

So, allow any and all people who want to come on into the USA? Is that what you are saying?

 

[iluvatar5150]

So, allow any and all people who want to come on into the USA? Is that what you are saying?

I'm okay checking for some degree of criminality and barring people along those lines, assuming that that's practical and feasible, but otherwise, yes.

 

[Vambram]

I'm okay checking for some degree of criminality and barring people along those lines, assuming that that's practical and feasible, but otherwise, yes.

To me, that is essentially saying that you are for nations with basically open borders. How well does that work when we look at the centuries of national history throughout the world?

 

[bèlla]

What if Project 2025 is just a distraction from planned massive camps?

I haven't read the document and would need to look into it to answer affirmatively. But there's been significant progress on thought crime technology. I saw something last week on the subject and I'm trying to find the video. Do I believe we'll have camps at some point? Absolutely. Thought crime technology is part of that as is social credit to some degree.

Look at this quote from Yuval Harari and consider it in light of your question.

In 2015 and 2017, historian and philosopher Yuval Noah Harari discussed how a massive class of useless people was being created. The artificial intelligence revolution is beginning to create “the useless class,” he said. When asked if his 2015 book provided any solutions, he responded: “At present, the best guess we have is to keep them [the useless class] happy with drugs and computer games.

As he saw it, there were only two possibilities; both would result in a massive number of useless people. He said:

“One possibility is this creation of a new massive class of useless people. Another possibility is the division of humankind into different biological castes, with the rich being upgraded into virtual gods, and the poor being degraded to this level of useless people.”

“The artificial intelligence revolution is beginning to create the useless class. As computers outperform humans in more and more tasks, they are likely to push them out of more and more jobs. And then the danger is that you will have millions of people even billions of people who don’t have any economic value and therefore they also don’t have any political power.”

The man I quoted is the advisor for Klaus Schwab at WEF. They host events around the world attended by global and business leaders. This is the kind of things they hear. Your welfare isn't a priority. You're meant to be controlled.

~bella

 

[iluvatar5150]

To me, that is essentially saying that you are for nations with basically open borders.

Basically, yes.

How well does that work when we look at the centuries of national history throughout the world?

It seems to have worked out pretty well for the US where we had open-ish borders until, IIRC, the early 20th century. Open borders within the country work pretty great, too.

Which nations did you have in mind?

 

[Vambram]

Basically, yes.


It seems to have worked out pretty well for the US where we had open-ish borders until, IIRC, the early 20th century. Open borders within the country work pretty great, too.

Which nations did you have in mind?

Back then, the USA had LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of open land and resources available to allow for the growth of populations across the land. Now, over 100 years later? Not so much. The USA doesn't have unlimited resources and unlimited money. The USA doesn't have infinite resources.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Back then, the USA had LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of open land and resources available to allow for the growth of populations across the land. Now, over 100 years later? Not so much. The USA doesn't have unlimited resources and unlimited money. The USA doesn't have infinite resources.

Have you looked at a map recently? Here's one from the 2020 census where each white dot represents 1,000 people:

The USA still has "LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of open land and resources available to allow for the growth of populations across the land." I live near the bottom of that big white blob in the northeast and we still have plenty of room. Those white blobs along I-90 in NY are an hour's drive apart with nothing but corn fields and dairy farms in between. At the turn of the 20th century, the US was a second-rate power. Now, we're nearly a century into being a superpower. We have more resources now than ever.

 

[bèlla]

The USA still has "LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of open land and resources available to allow for the growth of populations across the land."

The land isn't the issue. It's the fact they allowed people in with limited resources. That's what the majority are bothered by. And it happened during a period with increasing rates of homelessness, inflation and economic strain. Instead of providing the resources for those in need they gave them to strangers. Which resulted in greater demands on charities and soup kitchens.

They're begging at the farmers market in my area and they've never permitted it in the past. Other neighborhoods have complained about drugs and loitering. I don't see this ending well. It's too contentious.

~bella

 

[iluvatar5150]

The land isn't the issue.

Then perhaps the other poster shouldn’t have brought up land.

It's the fact they allowed people in with limited resources. That's what the majority are bothered by.

And yet, at the time when we allegedly had abundant resources, there were still factions crowing about the burdens imposed by immigrants.

And it happened during a period with increasing rates of homelessness, inflation and economic strain. Instead of providing the resources for those in need they gave them to strangers. Which resulted in greater demands on charities and soup kitchens.

If you want to argue for a more robust social safety net, great. But something tells me that wouldn’t fly too well with most of the anti-immigration crowd, either.

 

[bèlla]

And yet, at the time when we allegedly had abundant resources, there were still factions crowing about the burdens imposed by immigrants.

That's no different from the welfare queen and the reasons are the same. They don't want to give it away but you can't say that in mixed company especially as a christian.

~bella

 

[bèlla]

@hislegacy

Now that Trump has chosen his running partner are you creating a thread to discuss their policies?

~bella

 

[Hans Blaster]

Look at this quote from Yuval Harari and consider it in light of your question.

In 2015 and 2017, historian and philosopher Yuval Noah Harari discussed how a massive class of useless people was being created. The artificial intelligence revolution is beginning to create “the useless class,” he said. When asked if his 2015 book provided any solutions, he responded: “At present, the best guess we have is to keep them [the useless class] happy with drugs and computer games.

Who are these useless people that have bee created by "AI"? Has anyone actually lost a job to useless AI?

As he saw it, there were only two possibilities; both would result in a massive number of useless people. He said:

“One possibility is this creation of a new massive class of useless people. Another possibility is the division of humankind into different biological castes, with the rich being upgraded into virtual gods, and the poor being degraded to this level of useless people.”

“The artificial intelligence revolution is beginning to create the useless class. As computers outperform humans in more and more tasks, they are likely to push them out of more and more jobs. And then the danger is that you will have millions of people even billions of people who don’t have any economic value and therefore they also don’t have any political power.”

The man I quoted is the advisor for Klaus Schwab at WEF. They host events around the world attended by global and business leaders. This is the kind of things they hear. Your welfare isn't a priority. You're meant to be controlled.

~bella

I've heard of this Harari guy before. Many have touted him, but every time I see something from him I am less and less impressed. At this point he seems like what would happen if a TED talk became a real boy.

 

[bèlla]

Who are these useless people that have bee created by "AI"? Has anyone actually lost a job to useless AI?

I've heard of this Harari guy before. Many have touted him, but every time I see something from him I am less and less impressed. At this point he seems like what would happen if a TED talk became a real boy.

You must understand it in its proper context. Sensible people know he's nuts but he echoes the narrative. Don't think too hard. The message isn't for 'you' the enlightened one it's for the rest. Get with the program!

~bella