Pence to Vance: Trump picks former "never Trumper" turned ardent Trump supporter Sen. JD Vance of Ohio as running mate

[essentialsaltes]

J.D. Vance once compared Trump to Hitler. Now they are running mates​

Eight years ago, in the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, J.D. Vance was a bitter critic of Donald Trump.

Publicly, he called the Republican presidential candidate an "idiot" and said he was "reprehensible." Privately, he compared him to Adolf Hitler.

But by the time the former president tapped Vance to be his running mate on Monday, the Ohio native had become one of Trump's most ardent defenders, standing by his side even when other high-profile Republicans declined to do so.

"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical [butthole] like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.

When his Hitler comment was first reported, in 2022, a spokesperson did not dispute it, but said it no longer represented Vance's views.

By the time Vance ran for Senate in 2022, his demonstrations of loyalty - which included downplaying the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol by Trump's supporters - were sufficient to score the former president's coveted endorsement. Trump's support helped put him over the top in a competitive primary.

ETA: cropped image of 2016 private message [Mr. Yale Law sees how Trump cracked the code of "lower-income lower-education white voters"]

 

[camille70]

Women will love this pick and his stance on divorce.

JD Vance Suggests People in ‘Violent’ Marriages Shouldn’t Get Divorced

The Ohio Republican Senate nominee claimed people “shift spouses like they change their underwear,” and that it had damaged a generation of children.

www.vice.com

 

[xser88]

Horrible choice.
Here is Vance tweet after the shooting.




J.D. Vance

@JDVance1

Today is not just some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump's attempted assassination.

David Axelrod, former senior adviser to then-President Obama, tweeted:
“If @JDVance1 is on the short list for VP, this Tweet, sent an hour after the assassination attempt in PA, ought to disqualify him in the eyes of the Trump campaign,”

 

[iluvatar5150]

Women will love this pick and his stance on divorce.

JD Vance Suggests People in ‘Violent’ Marriages Shouldn’t Get Divorced

The Ohio Republican Senate nominee claimed people “shift spouses like they change their underwear,” and that it had damaged a generation of children.

www.vice.com

Yeah, they don't seem to be angling for the undecided here.

 

[wing2000]

Horrible choice.
Here is Vance tweet after the shooting.

J.D. Vance
@JDVance1

Today is not just some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump's attempted assassination.

David Axelrod, former senior adviser to then-President Obama, tweeted:
“If @JDVance1 is on the short list for VP, this Tweet, sent an hour after the assassination attempt in PA, ought to disqualify him in the eyes of the Trump campaign,”

Is this Trump's idea of unity?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Is this Trump's idea of unity?

Not to derail too much, but his idea of unity is all Americans coming together in denouncing his accusers and the DOJ, and dismissing all cases against him, even the ones he's already lost.

OK, back on the topic:

….As Vice President, J.D. will continue to fight for our Constitution, stand with our Troops, and will do everything he can to help me MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Congratulations to Senator J.D. Vance, his wife, Usha, who also graduated from Yale Law School, and their three beautiful children. MAGA2024!

 

[essentialsaltes]

Women will love this pick and his stance on divorce.

Curiously Divorced Dudes are in the tank for Trump.

 

[Hazelelponi]

J.D. Vance once compared Trump to Hitler. Now they are running mates​

Eight years ago, in the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, J.D. Vance was a bitter critic of Donald Trump.

Publicly, he called the Republican presidential candidate an "idiot" and said he was "reprehensible." Privately, he compared him to Adolf Hitler.

But by the time the former president tapped Vance to be his running mate on Monday, the Ohio native had become one of Trump's most ardent defenders, standing by his side even when other high-profile Republicans declined to do so.

"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical [butthole] like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.

When his Hitler comment was first reported, in 2022, a spokesperson did not dispute it, but said it no longer represented Vance's views.

By the time Vance ran for Senate in 2022, his demonstrations of loyalty - which included downplaying the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol by Trump's supporters - were sufficient to score the former president's coveted endorsement. Trump's support helped put him over the top in a competitive primary.

ETA: cropped image of 2016 private message [Mr. Yale Law sees how Trump cracked the code of "lower-income lower-education white voters"]

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What's wrong with what Vance said?

The party failed to see their faithful voters get poorer and poorer over the decades as we lost a lot of our manufacturing...

While the party sat in Ivory Towers detached from their constituency, the country changed because of policies and the party failed to recognize they actually lost real voters and weren't picking up new ones.

And government policies had been hurting regular people for a long time. All people need, white, black and everyone in between, is a government that works to actually help them and not just the donor.

They were catering to only a few so many stopped voting completely. I certainly did, after Iraq I stopped voting because after that disaster the Republican party couldn't even bother to put up a candidate that could differentiate their policies from the Marxist messiah of the left.

I think the typical Republican voter was completely ignored, so are inner city blacks and others who just want to live a decent life and know their children will be safe and live in a land where their hard work can pay in all their needs met with a few of their wants.

People stopped asking normal people what they even wanted and decided to start dictating to us.

Trump could have been bad. It shows wisdom that Vance watched and made decisions based on evidence instead of automatically trusting. That's a perfectly good quality in a human being, and it's not like Vance is alone, Trump has many newer supporters after seeing what his policies did for us all.

 

[essentialsaltes]

What's wrong with what Vance said?

The party failed to see their faithful voters get poorer and poorer over the decades as we lost a lot of our manufacturing...

While the party sat in Ivory Towers

Yes and Trump sat in whichever golf course or gold-accented Manhattan apartment he happened to be in that day.

Vance was not wrong; he was quite accurate that a demogogue would come along and show how a member of the elite could get "lower-income lower-education white voters" to follow him blindly.

And Ivy League Yale Law Mr. Vance got over his momentary scruples and has followed Trump's lead.

 

[iluvatar5150]

What's wrong with what Vance said?

The party failed to see their faithful voters get poorer and poorer over the decades as we lost a lot of our manufacturing...

While the party sat in Ivory Towers detached from their constituency, the country changed because of policies and the party failed to recognize they actually lost real voters and weren't picking up new ones.

And government policies had been hurting regular people for a long time. All people need, white, black and everyone in between, is a government that works to actually help them and not just the donor.

They were catering to only a few so many stopped voting completely. I certainly did, after Iraq I stopped voting because after that disaster the Republican party couldn't even bother to put up a candidate that could differentiate their policies from the Marxist messiah of the left.

I think the typical Republican voter was completely ignored, so are inner city blacks and others who just want to live a decent life and know their children will be safe and live in a land where their hard work can pay in all their needs met with a few of their wants.

People stopped asking normal people what they even wanted and decided to start dictating to us.

So, to combat the problem of ivory tower types ignoring how systemic problems negatively impact people, Trump picks as his running mate a guy who went to Yale, became a venture capitalist, and wrote a bestseller that more-or-less blames poor people for their problems.

That’s… a strategy.

 

[Laodicean60]

How about we have a conversation without using those worn out, meaningless, dehumanizing terms "Left" and "Right"?

Because I find it easier to spell not trying to dehumanize.

 

[Sif]

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post was OT

 

[rambot]

What's wrong with what Vance said?

The party failed to see their faithful voters get poorer and poorer over the decades as we lost a lot of our manufacturing...

While the party sat in Ivory Towers detached from their constituency, the country changed because of policies and the party failed to recognize they actually lost real voters and weren't picking up new ones.

And government policies had been hurting regular people for a long time. All people need, white, black and everyone in between, is a government that works to actually help them and not just the donor.

They were catering to only a few so many stopped voting completely. I certainly did, after Iraq I stopped voting because after that disaster the Republican party couldn't even bother to put up a candidate that could differentiate their policies from the Marxist messiah of the left.

I think the typical Republican voter was completely ignored, so are inner city blacks and others who just want to live a decent life and know their children will be safe and live in a land where their hard work can pay in all their needs met with a few of their wants.

People stopped asking normal people what they even wanted and decided to start dictating to us.

Trump could have been bad. It shows wisdom that Vance watched and made decisions based on evidence instead of automatically trusting. That's a perfectly good quality in a human being, and it's not like Vance is alone, Trump has many newer supporters after seeing what his policies did for us all.

The republican party has made no mystery about their distaste and lack of support for American workers over american oligiarchs. Just look at the policies they put forward and explain how they support the working class?

Trump did not need to be the "outcome" of this path. And frankly it's utterly laughable to think they guy is going to do anything to help American workers.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Vance has suggested a break with the Republican Party’s economic orthodoxy of the last several decades on a range of policy issues, including unions, antitrust, trade and taxes, even making comments that appear at odds with Trump, who already scrambled the party’s ideology.

[But how much could he really do as second banana?]

The first-term senator has embraced a more active role for government intervention in the economy than most Republicans

Vance has praised President Biden’s antitrust crusader at the Federal Trade Commission, called for a higher minimum wage and even once called for raising taxeson corporations — all positions anathema to conservatives.

In March 2017, Vance said he found “the Democratic Party is actually the rational party when it comes to housing policy.”

In February 2020, Vance criticized “right-to-work” policies, favored by conservatives, that sharply curtail the ability of unions to organize.

Vance may nod in a more populist direction, but is likely to march in lockstep behind a Trump agenda heavily favored by big business groups, [pundits] say.

“What they’re trying to do is tap into white working-class cultural and social signifiers, while doing as little as possible to actually reduce incomes at the top and actually redistribute them down."

 

[Brihaha]

I read Don Jr and Eric went bat guano crazy and implored papa Trump to choose Vance. I knew Jr was against anyone he considered a republican in name only, especially Rubio.

 

[iluvatar5150]

JD Vance says he's wouldn't have certified 2020 race until states submitted pro-Trump electors

Sen. JD Vance on Sunday defended Trump as the former president faces a litany of legal issues amid his comeback campaign for the White House

abcnews.go.com

 

[civilwarbuff]

J.D. Vance once compared Trump to Hitler. Now they are running mates​

Eight years ago, in the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, J.D. Vance was a bitter critic of Donald Trump.

Publicly, he called the Republican presidential candidate an "idiot" and said he was "reprehensible." Privately, he compared him to Adolf Hitler.

But by the time the former president tapped Vance to be his running mate on Monday, the Ohio native had become one of Trump's most ardent defenders, standing by his side even when other high-profile Republicans declined to do so.

"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical [butthole] like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.

When his Hitler comment was first reported, in 2022, a spokesperson did not dispute it, but said it no longer represented Vance's views.

By the time Vance ran for Senate in 2022, his demonstrations of loyalty - which included downplaying the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol by Trump's supporters - were sufficient to score the former president's coveted endorsement. Trump's support helped put him over the top in a competitive primary.

ETA: cropped image of 2016 private message [Mr. Yale Law sees how Trump cracked the code of "lower-income lower-education white voters"]

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Sorta like when Harris called Biden a racist on national TV during a candidate debate and ends up being his VP,,,,,,politics makes for strange bedfellows......

 

[durangodawood]

Sorta like when Harris called Biden a racist on national TV during a candidate debate and ends up being his VP,,,,,,politics makes for strange bedfellows......

Yeah Ted Cruz came around to vigorously defending Trump even after Trumps vile insults against his wife.

R's can see the writing on the wall. Dont alienate the magas, or youre toast.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Sorta like when Harris called Biden a racist on national TV

Off-topic, but: “I do not believe you are a racist.”

Kamala Harris did not call Joe Biden a racist on the debate stage​

 

[Arcangl86]

Vance has suggested a break with the Republican Party’s economic orthodoxy of the last several decades on a range of policy issues, including unions, antitrust, trade and taxes, even making comments that appear at odds with Trump, who already scrambled the party’s ideology.

[But how much could he really do as second banana?]

The first-term senator has embraced a more active role for government intervention in the economy than most Republicans

Vance has praised President Biden’s antitrust crusader at the Federal Trade Commission, called for a higher minimum wage and even once called for raising taxeson corporations — all positions anathema to conservatives.

In March 2017, Vance said he found “the Democratic Party is actually the rational party when it comes to housing policy.”

In February 2020, Vance criticized “right-to-work” policies, favored by conservatives, that sharply curtail the ability of unions to organize.

Vance may nod in a more populist direction, but is likely to march in lockstep behind a Trump agenda heavily favored by big business groups, [pundits] say.

“What they’re trying to do is tap into white working-class cultural and social signifiers, while doing as little as possible to actually reduce incomes at the top and actually redistribute them down."

Do you know if any of these were since he actually became a Senator? Because he went full MAGA as soon as he announced.