Did God save Trump? Why?

[lifepsyop]

God save the King!

 

[Postvieww]

I doubt anybody who believes in the existence of God doesn't believe He also has the ability to perform miracles. What folks like myself get bent out of shape about is the extreme cherry-picking of details required to describe an event like this as a miracle.

So, it's a miracle that Trump gets merely grazed by a bullet. Would it have been a miracle if the shot had been wide by a foot and not hurt him at all? What about if the cops had stopped him prior to squeezing off any rounds? Why is it a miracle that the bullet missed Trump, but killed somebody else and seriously injured two others? It's probably a safe bet that the professional fireman who dove on his family is an objectively better person and greater benefit to mankind than the serial philanderer who spent decades running casinos and cheating people and who tried to steal an election. Is the line getting into heaven so short that God had to juice demand by making a new hero? I doubt the Comperatore family is feeling much of an afterglow of this "miracle."

When you have to filter out this much other stuff in order to define a "miracle," then it's not a "miracle."

Never waste an opportunity to trash Trump. How very sad.

 

[Postvieww]

Question seems irrelevant as no miracle is necessary to explain these events.

But to answer your question: I dont know if there's a God who can perform miracles.

Thanks for your honesty. I assure there is a God who performs miracles I have seen several in my life.

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

Given the number of failed assassination attempts, God must have really 'loved' Hitler...


This the problem of trying to read divine providence into events.

God loves everyone. Including those who do evil. He hates the evil many of us commit, but that doesn't disqualify them from repenting and accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior. People like Paul and the thief who was crucified alongside Jesus are proof of that. Whether or not Hitler repented before he died, I can't say. But the fact people can do horrible things to others but can be led to realize how horrible they've been and surrender fully to God is a testament to how beautiful and amazing God's character is.

Whether or not you like Trump, (I would prefer another Republican personally) he wasn't killed, so therefore, God must've protected him. Maybe not because he's a star child like David was, but because it works for His plan.

 

[durangodawood]

.....he wasn't killed, so therefore, God must've protected him.....

Would this protection be called a "miracle"?

Or is this the same protection afforded everyone across the globe who didnt die that day?

 

[Postvieww]

I wish they'd leave God out of it and stop using Him as justification for their idolatry. Just admit you like Trump and call it day.

~bella

Have you noticed any idolatry on the left? Support for a candidate (Trump) whose goal is to Make America Great Again is hardly idolatry.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Never waste an opportunity to trash Trump. How very sad.

The description of this as a "miracle" puts Trump on a pedestal and reduces the life of Corey Comperatore to nothing. How very sad.

 

[Nithavela]

Faulty analysis!

Yes, very convincing. Do you have anything else to act, except "Wrong!"?

 

[Belk]

The man who died threw himself on his family and shielded them. He is a hero. Who is to say what God permitted and didn’t permit? It’s above my pay grade.

Apparently the OP and anyone else who jumps on the "divine intervention" bandwagon. As an atheist I find it silly, but given my growing up with Christianity I can certainly see how a believer would see the hand of God at work.

 

[bèlla]

Have you noticed any idolatry on the left? Support for a candidate (Trump) whose goal is to Make America Great Again is hardly idolatry.

If you believe in maga you have bigger problems. Instead of touting slogans run the numbers and prove what the candidate says. Powell spoke the other day and said we'll never have the low interest rates and low inflation we saw in the past.

And there was an interesting conversation between Larry Fink and Modi. They were discussing robots and he acknowledged their arrival in the garment district. He said it wasn't a problem as of yet but admitted the likelihood it would occur. Walmart is their biggest account. If the robot is making the clothes there's no need to use their services. They can purchase their own and use them here. Which means a significant loss of jobs.

During a financial broadcast the host shared an experience. They ordered takeout and the app asked if they wanted automated delivery to save on the tip. That's a driverless car. Then he made an interesting connection with Trump and Reagan besides the obvious. He mentioned the 1988 cover of the economist magazine. The one foretelling digital currency. Powell admitted they started working on it in the early nineties and Trump considers himself the crypto president.

I'm reminded of the passage about the enemy sowing tares while they slept and its applicability to current times. People are focused on the wrong things and the train has left the building. They'll have no one to blame but thenselves.

It doesn't matter who's elected the shift is underway. You can't depend on anything he said that wasn't funded by a super pac. Those are the ones he owes and will honor if elected. And for your sake I hope you're in the crypto camp. They're the third largest donor and guaranteed to get what they want.

If he was really trying to make America great he'd tell you to buy some. He knows the timeline and what the right investment could do for your family. But he hasn't done that. If he really wanted to help he'd tell you what to buy but he won't do that either.

America has never been otherwise for Trump. He doesn't have your reality. Whether he keeps his promises or not his life is unchanged. Given his donations there's a tax break coming for crypto holders and then some. Who's paying for that? When in doubt follow the money. They eat first and best.

Spend less time on politics and more on economics and you'll understand how things work.

~bella

 

[Clare73]

In order for this to be divine providence that would also mean that you think the people who were hurt or killed deserved the bullet that Trump didn’t… And that’s not how it works.

Who said any of it was about "deserving"?

 

[Clare73]

Apparently the OP and anyone else who jumps on the "divine intervention" bandwagon. As an atheist I find it silly, but given my growing up with Christianity I can certainly see how a believer would see the hand of God at work.

The hand of God is always at work. . .allowing (e.g., Satan) and preventing (e.g., Trump's death) according to his good purposes.

 

[Belk]

The hand of God is always at work. . .allowing and preventing according to his good purposes.

So many believe.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Who said any of it was about "deserving"?

Because when you say one wasn’t shot due to a miracle but the same bullet killed somebody else instead, you’re making a statement that God determined one of them deserved to die more than the other.

 

[Clare73]

Because when you say one wasn’t shot due to a miracle but the same bullet killed somebody else instead,
you’re making a statement that God determined one of them deserved to die more than the other.

Who made that rule?

 

[OnceLostButNowFound]

Would this protection be called a "miracle"?

Or is this the same protection afforded everyone across the globe who didnt die that day?

That depends on what you mean by "miracle". If a family member or loved one of yours was in that same spot and survived with just a nick on the ear, wouldn't you count it as a "miracle"? Somebody else who has no personal stakes involved might not count it as one because they don't know them or you as a person.

A child on the other side of the world could've died and my sorrow for him or her wouldn't be the same as a family member because I don't know or have a personal connection to the former.

It's probably not a miracle in the same way as the Red Sea parting for Moses, but it's clear God's plan didn't involve Trump dying that day.

 

[BPPLEE]

Are you saying Trump is like King Saul? Not a good look out for him and his sons if you are.

I’m not saying that at all. I was responding to your comment
Larniavc said:
That does not sound like the god I have read about in the Bible (KJV1611). God's will is always perfect. I'm surprised you would suggest otherwise. I think it is you who needs to re read their Bible or at least educate me in my error.

 

[Larniavc]

I’m not saying that at all. I was responding to your comment
Larniavc said:
That does not sound like the god I have read about in the Bible (KJV1611). God's will is always perfect. I'm surprised you would suggest otherwise. I think it is you who needs to re read their Bible or at least educate me in my error.

Then you might need to explain a bit more hermeneutics, if you would be so kind.

 

[Postvieww]

The description of this as a "miracle" puts Trump on a pedestal and reduces the life of Corey Comperatore to nothing. How very sad.

That is your faulty assessment. This just shows you have discounted the ability of God to intervene in a situation that suits HIS PURPOSE. Because you conflate the situation with inappropriate comparisons does not prove what you are trying to prove, Corey needlessly died but he did die as a hero. He died because of an evil act committed by a disturbed person committing and act of evil.

All of this if God saved one He needs to save all is nonsense based on human reasoning which will never explain the mind or purposes of God.
These nonsensical arguments trying to tell God what is just is absurd. God will do what He wills and will not conform to what men thinks He should or should not do.

 

[iluvatar5150]

All of this if God saved one He needs to save all is nonsense based on human reasoning which will never explain the mind or purposes of God.

You don't think that applies just as equally to the claims that it was a miracle? Would it have been a miracle if God had steadied the hand of the shooter such that he was able to make his head shot in spite of law enforcement closing in on him?

These nonsensical arguments trying to tell God what is just is absurd. God will do what He wills and will not conform to what men thinks He should or should not do.

Sure. So why are some folks so eager to ascribe certain events to "miracles"?