Did God save Trump? Why?

[FaithT]

This attempted assassination could not have been closer. Another inch and Trump would have been dead. That smacks of Divine Providence but why would God save Trump?

He seems such a divisive figure somebody who would break the current world order jeopardizing the freedoms of countries all over the world. Ukraine and Taiwan are two examples. He is a proven liar, adulterer and fraudster so he has not earned any special grace, so why save the man? What does God want to do here?

Why would the Sovereign Lord permit Trump to survive?

If God permitted Trump to survive, why didn’t he do the same for the one who didn’t?

 

[BPPLEE]

If God permitted Trump to survive, why didn’t he do the same for the one who didn’t?

The man who died threw himself on his family and shielded them. He is a hero. Who is to say what God permitted and didn’t permit? It’s above my pay grade.

 

[RileyG]

The man who died threw himself on his family and shielded them. He is a hero. Who is to say what God permitted and didn’t permit? It’s above my pay grade.

I don't have the mind of God, so I truly don't know. That's all.

 

[RileyG]

If God permitted Trump to survive, why didn’t he do the same for the one who didn’t?

We don't know yet....all events will be laid bare at the final judgment and all actions of ALL will be revealed.

 

[keith99]

Given the number of failed assassination attempts, God must have really 'loved' Hitler...


This the problem of trying to read divine providence into events.

At least 17 times! The last one would have succeeded if the windows were closed, if the briefcase containing the bomb had not been moved to the other side of a heavy table leg or if the second bomb had been in the briefcase.

 

[durangodawood]

At least 17 times! The last one would have succeeded if the windows were closed, if the briefcase containing the bomb had not been moved to the other side of a heavy table leg or if the second bomb had been in the briefcase.

Its so silly trying to divine Gods intent from these swirling and contradictory tea leaves.

People mainly do it to validate their own preferences, I think.

 

[Bobber]

This attempted assassination could not have been closer. Another inch and Trump would have been dead. That smacks of Divine Providence but why would God save Trump?

It most certainly does seem to be divine providence.

He seems such a divisive figure somebody who would break the current world order jeopardizing the freedoms of countries all over the world.

He is though one who won't take no guff on world leaders who want an unfair advantage over the U.S. And God himself has broken world orders all throughout history. Look at the tower of Babel. God dispersed groups into national entities for certain wise reasons.

 

[mindlight]

Not all people who survive assassination attempts are objectively good people.

It makes sense if you don't ascribe divine providence to such things.

God sets the times when we live and die, so it is He who spared Trump and took the firefighter to be with him

 

[mindlight]

Given the number of failed assassination attempts, God must have really 'loved' Hitler...


This the problem of trying to read divine providence into events.

In Hitler's case it was as important to kill the culture he had created as much as the man. Maybe nothing short of absolute defeat was ever going to do that

 

[mindlight]

....and had the bullet(s) fatally wounded the former president, would you attribute that to God?

God sets the times so yes.But Trump is alive and so he serves a purpose for good or ill. But what is that?

 

[Neogaia777]

God could be already making/building His cases for the Judgement with some of these folks, etc.

Hitler, Trump, etc.

So that when it is finally revealed to the rest of us which way He decided it for them, we will all have no good reason to ever disagree with Him on it ever (forever) either way, ever again, etc.

For example, Hitler will probably be going to hell/lake of fire, but none of us will be able to ever disagree with the mercy God showed someone like that numerous, numerous times either way, etc.

Hopefully with Trump it will be different though, etc.

But I think God, the Highest God, has already solidified His judgements of everyone's cases either way, etc.

I say "already" with this Highest God, because it was already done/decided for all of us already, from before the foundations of the world, or the starting of this deterministic universe, either way, etc.

But we will all still need it revealed to us at the end (and before we can get into Heaven) (for those of us who are going into Heaven) etc.

(Can't have any more disagreements about God's mercy/grace/love ever, and if it's going to be "forever" after that, in Heaven, etc) (Even if some didn't make it in, etc) (Can't have you whining or complaining or disagreeing with that in eternity, or all throughout eternity, etc) (So God Has already solidified all of His/ours cases either way, etc)

We will need to know what made one vessel a only a bad vessel, only suited for just only a bad use, or what made one a good vessel, suited for a good use, either way. So that there will be zero doubt about the bad ones, etc, and why they couldn't be saved or preserved for Heaven, etc. God has already solidified all of these cases either way, etc. And that was all for us, and not Himself, etc, cause He has already always fully known for sure either way, etc.

God Bless.

 

[mindlight]

By that logic God loves Biden even more because God saved Biden so completely and effectively that the assassin changed his mind, got a proper hair cut, trained as vet and didn't even try to kill Biden.

You need to think the things you commit to the internet through before you click 'enter'.

Neither Trump nor Biden are perfect men and both represent dysfunctional parties with false agendas. I have preferred Biden because Trump is a direct threat to an international set of alliances that has kept the peace since WW2. The death of Trump would have fundamentally altered the choice of the American people at the election. But he was allowed to live. Does this mean God is allowing the instability. War and misery his ascendency may mean?

To test His Flock.

There is a faction in Christiandom that have turned away from His Will. Our Father will send a delusion that even some of the elect will fall away into idolatry if they haven't done so already. The more our Father allows Satan to lift up Trump, the more the nation heads towards a Theocratic system with Trump as king and Lord. It has happend over and over throughout history. Only those who do the Will of the Father shall survive such a delusion. The fruit of the Spirit shall live in those who love Jesus Christ of Nazareth. These fruits are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. This is how we will know who is In Him.

We know that our Father does not rule through an earthly nation. His Kingdom IS NOT of this world. Let us reason. God's divine providence is a test.

Sorry to be so candid but there is alot at stake, people's souls. This faction must come back to their first Love, Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Be blessed.

So Trump is a test and his survival means the American people still have a real choice about their future. It is they that are being tested here

 

[mindlight]

Why did God let another innocent person die from bullets meant for Trump?

This conversation is unproductive and silly.

One man dies a hero and goes to be with God.Another is given an extra season to posture and strut on the world stage. We all have our set times and to think on God's purpose is not unproductive or foolish

 

[mindlight]

No need to invoke a miracle. Just a bad shot.

Naturalists look for secondary causes, the primary cause is always God. What He permits or sanctions is the key consideration. Why pick a bad shot?

 

[FireDragon76]

Naturalists look for secondary causes, the primary cause is always God. What He permits or sanctions is the key consideration. Why pick a bad shot?

A cause that explains everything, explains nothing in particular.

 

[Neogaia777]

God could be already making/building His cases for the Judgement with some of these folks, etc.

Hitler, Trump, etc.

So that when it is finally revealed to the rest of us which way He decided it for them, we will all have no good reason to ever disagree with Him on it ever (forever) either way, ever again, etc.

For example, Hitler will probably be going to hell/lake of fire, but none of us will be able to ever disagree with the mercy God showed someone like that numerous, numerous times either way, etc.

Hopefully with Trump it will be different though, etc.

But I think God, the Highest God, has already solidified His judgements of everyone's cases either way, etc.

I say "already" with this Highest God, because it was already done/decided for all of us already, from before the foundations of the world, or the starting of this deterministic universe, either way, etc.

But we will all still need it revealed to us at the end (and before we can get into Heaven) (for those of us who are going into Heaven) etc.

(Can't have any more disagreements about God's mercy/grace/love ever, and if it's going to be "forever" after that, in Heaven, etc) (Even if some didn't make it in, etc) (Can't have you whining or complaining or disagreeing with that in eternity, or all throughout eternity, etc) (So God Has already solidified all of His/ours cases either way, etc)

We will need to know what made one vessel a only a bad vessel, only suited for just only a bad use, or what made one a good vessel, suited for a good use, either way. So that there will be zero doubt about the bad ones, etc, and why they couldn't be saved or preserved for Heaven, etc. God has already solidified all of these cases either way, etc. And that was all for us, and not Himself, etc, cause He has already always fully known for sure either way, etc.

God Bless.

And I know, I know, like with say, Hitler's case, some are going to maybe say God was "too merciful" to someone like that maybe, cause of all the people he killed or had put to death, and maybe all of his other evil deeds, etc.

Well, what if with those others, their eternal destination was never in question maybe?

Jesus while he was here with us in human form as a man, didn't know if those who were going to be saved were going to be few, or many, etc.

But with this new line of thinking I am having right now, while I still don't know for sure either, has me more leaning toward now that it might be many, etc.

But those in the high places, and that have great positions, and fame, and wealth, and power, and authority, and notoriety, etc, there's is sometimes in question, etc. Not by God mind you, cause He already knows/has always known either way, etc. But we are the ones who might question it in the Judgement, etc. So I believe God has already solidified these cases most especially, either way, etc. So much so that after it is fully revealed to us, we will never again after that ever be able to doubt, or disagree, etc.

Some of them might be some excellent glorious tales, saved right before the brink, etc. But still others, no matter how much very great grace, and mercy, and love was shown to them/extended to them, over and over and over again, etc, they still rejected all of God's attempts to win them over to the other way, etc.

Sure, it was how they were made, but God still needs to show us this distinction fully either way, etc.

Like I said, it's for us, not Him, etc.

So that there will be no room to doubt what made them only ever bad, or else good/get to go to Heaven, either way, etc.

Can't have you questioning/doubting that in eternity, etc.

God Bless.

 

[Neogaia777]

And I know, I know, like with say, Hitler's case, some are going to maybe say God was "too merciful" to someone like that maybe, cause of all the people he killed or had put to death, and maybe all of his other evil deeds, etc.

Well, what if with those others, their eternal destination was never in question maybe?

Jesus while he was here with us in human form as a man, didn't know if those who were going to be saved were going to be few, or many, etc.

But with this new line of thinking I am having right now, while I still don't know for sure either, has me more leaning toward now that it might be many, etc.

But those in the high places, and that have great positions, and fame, and wealth, and power, and authority, and notoriety, etc, there's is sometimes in question, etc. Not by God mind you, cause He already knows/has always known either way, etc. But we are the ones who might question it in the Judgement, etc. So I believe God has already solidified these cases most especially, either way, etc. So much so that after it is fully revealed to us, we will never again after that ever be able to doubt, or disagree, etc.

Some of them might be some excellent glorious tales, saved right before the brink, etc. But still others, no matter how much very great grace, and mercy, and love was shown to them/extended to them, over and over and over again, etc, they still rejected all of God's attempts to win them over to the other way, etc.

Sure, it was how they were made, but God still needs to show us this distinction fully either way, etc.

Like I said, it's for us, not Him, etc.

So that there will be no room to doubt what made them only ever bad, or else good/get to go to Heaven, either way, etc.

Can't have you questioning/doubting that in eternity, etc.

God Bless.

So, like, with Trump, was it a warning from God? Or did God maybe divinely protect him or save him? I think it was a little bit of both, or maybe neither. But what I do think it is God extending a hand to Trump, but only Donald Trump himself can decide what it means, or what he's supposed to do with it, etc. And if he gets it wrong this time, then there will probably be others (not assassination attempts hopefully, but other times God will extend a hand to him, etc) but who's to say how many times he will get before he will one day die finally, etc, and if he hasn't gotten it right by then? Well, it could be too late by then maybe, etc.

I certainly can't tell him what he's supposed to do with it, etc. For that, he will have to go to God himself about it, etc.

But it maybe should give him at least a moment of "pause" at least, etc.

He could have died you know, etc.

And there are no more chances after that, etc

God Bless.

 

[Vanellus]

You could also ask why God allowed the shooting to take place at all. Footage has emerged showing the shooter was seen by bystanders before it happened and were even trying to draw the attention of security people to him. Other people were killed or injured/

 

[Larniavc]

But the one word answer I could give you is pretty simple, and that is "growth", etc.

How can you grow if you’ve been killed in a cross fire?

 

[Larniavc]

Ever heard of King Saul?

Are you saying Trump is like King Saul? Not a good look out for him and his sons if you are.