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To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race

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Cheney couldn't even hang on to her House seat and would have less than a zero chance of ever being President. Handled the investigation against Trump in a most partisan and unfair way. She actually would fair better on a Democratic ticket.

...the fact that Cheney stood on principles based on the Constiution and the peaceful transfer of power is simply not understood by those who have sold their conservative souls to Donald Trump....and that includes the GOP voters in Cheney's home district.
 
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Trump will not take us to a better place.
No where to go but up!
His last stint as president left America with fewer employed citizens than when he started.
Covid affected those employment numbers.
We need a leader
We do and we do not have one now. Many Democrats are trying to dump him.

not a second-rate entertainer
We are witnessing a second rate side show in the White House everyday now. Especially at the press briefings.
and convicted felon.

Convicted in a court run by a biased, crooked Judge. The way the jurors were instructed left no other option but to convict. Jurors had three potential crimes Trump was alleged to have committed to elevate the misdemeanors to felonies. Trump was never tried or convicted on any of those alleged crimes. The jury was instructed to pick one and they didn't even have to agree on which one. Basically here are three choices he must have committed one of these. The trial was a shame it will be overturned if not thrown out. So enjoy the "convicted felon" song and dance while it is available.
 
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...the fact that Cheney stood on principles based on the Constiution and the peaceful transfer of power is simply not understood by those who have sold their conservative souls to Donald Trump....and that includes the GOP voters in Cheney's home district.
She has no principals, she withheld evidence, from an illegal investigation with one goal. Get Trump! You only praise her because she went for Trump ,if she where still in the house and had not been on that illegal committee she would be a political enemy to you.
 
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She has no principals, she withheld evidence, from an illegal investigation with one goal. Get Trump! You only praise her because she went for Trump ,if she where still in the house and had not been on that illegal committee she would be a political enemy to you.

Like I said, Tump supporters who have sold their conservative soul to DJT.

And btw, there are some fundamental American core values that transcends party.
Supporting the Consitution.
Respect for the peaceful transfer of power (and the voters).

On these principles, I stand with Cheney.
 
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Convicted in a court run by a biased, crooked Judge. The way the jurors were instructed left no other option but to convict. Jurors had three potential crimes Trump was alleged to have committed to elevate the misdemeanors to felonies. Trump was never tried or convicted on any of those alleged crimes. The jury was instructed to pick one and they didn't even have to agree on which one. Basically here are three choices he must have committed one of these. The trial was a shame it will be overturned if not thrown out. So enjoy the "convicted felon" song and dance while it is available.
Jurors handle matters of fact, judges maters of law. It is not up to the jury to decide what the law is any more than it is up to the judge to determine what the facts are. If the facts show that the defendant committed a crime under the law, then they must find him guilty. The judge knows the NY state law far better than you or the commentators you read.
 
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Cheney couldn't even hang on to her House seat and would have less than a zero chance of ever being President. Handled the investigation against Trump in a most partisan and unfair way. She actually would fair better on a Democratic ticket.

Don't know much about him but he doesn't have the name recognition to get to first base as a Presidential candidate.

This guy has no skill set or qualifications to be President, but he looks good in a hard hat.
Pete Buttigieg - Wikipedia

Christie only ran this last time because he hated Trump. He will go nowhere in the Republican Party.

Right now our choices are Biden or Trump. Trump is the only one of the two who can take this country to a better place.
I do not like our two choices. Peter Sonski is conservative, pro-life and anti-woke, but at the same time, for renewable energy, hence why he is not part of the two parties. He runs for the American Solidarity Party, a somewhat conservative, but somewhat centrist Christian party. :) We need better choices, and younger choices at that. Both of our candidates were born in the 1940s during, or just after WWII. We need someone born in the 1950s at the earliest.
 
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That sounds like what they said about Ronald Reagan.
Irrelevant. Reagan was governor of California before he became President. Trump has already proven he was a bad president when he failed to lead America during Covid.
 
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Jurors handle matters of fact, judges maters of law. It is not up to the jury to decide what the law is any more than it is up to the judge to determine what the facts are. If the facts show that the defendant committed a crime under the law, then they must find him guilty. The judge knows the NY state law far better than you or the commentators you read.
It is not up to the judge to instruct the jurors to assume Trump may have committed another crime for which he has not been convicted. Giving them several choices for which they don’t even have to agree on which one, is a travesty of justice. There was no real justice in this case no matter how you try to spin it. It
will be overturned, you can take that to the bank.
 
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So what! They still said that about Reagan! My point was made and it's valid. 2nd rate entertainers have a right to run for political office!
And in both cases made a very good one!
 
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It is not up to the judge to instruct the jurors to assume Trump may have committed another crime for which he has not been convicted. Giving them several choices for which they don’t even have to agree on which one, is a travesty of justice. There was no real justice in this case no matter how you try to spin it. It
will be overturned, you can take that to the bank.

It is *exactly* the role of the judge to instruct the jury that the charged crime (the 1st degree, Class E felony version) *requires* an additional crime be proven beyond a reasonable doubt for the charge to be proven. You have this completely inverted. And so he did so instruct.

As for the specific charges, the auxiliary crime was a conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws, which they had to agree to unanimously. The judge so instructed them, and they did so unanimously find. What they didn't have to find unanimously is the means by which Trump engaged in the conspiracy and the law does not require unanimity on this.
 
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So what! They still said that about Reagan! My point was made and it's valid. 2nd rate entertainers have a right to run for political office!
The point is irrelevant as I never said they did not a have a right to run. Those are your words that you posted in order to advance a straw man.

You misunderstood my original post. It had nothing to do with a comparison about Reagan. Bono, Schwarzenegger, Franken, Ventura and others were all entertainers who actually tried to do good for Americans and not themselves. Trump's campaign is is based on entertainment first, because Trump knows next to nothing on how to be a leader who works for all Americans. He has demonstrated time and again that his only objective is to regain power in order to stave off convictions and exact revenge. His rallies are full of personal entertaining stories, talk of Hannibal Lecter, sharks and how good his ratings are, with little to know talk on helping the poor, the homeless or those in America falling through the cracks.

You have every right to vote for a second-rate entertainer. I said we don't need that second-rate entertainer running the show. Trump is not a leader because all he does is take while never giving anything back.
 
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You have every right to vote for a second-rate entertainer. I said we don't need that second-rate entertainer running the show. Trump is not a leader because all he does is take while never giving anything back.
How wrong you are. What is he taking? He just came within a hair of giving his life. He never took a salary while President. He has been politically attacked more than any human being ever. He don’t need the money. He had had every conceivable lie thrown at him any hate filled person could concoct. It is insanity to think Trump is taking all of this abuse to be a dictator (which is another lie). Hatred is what is responsible for the attempt on his life. I’ve never seen a more courageous individual in the political realm in my 70 years.
 
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You misunderstood my original post. It had nothing to do with a comparison about Reagan.
I know. I made that comparison for what you said I heard people say that about Reagan at the time.
Trump's campaign is is based on entertainment first, because Trump knows next to nothing on how to be a leader who works for all Americans.
You sure that' not just your politics talking? Other people's politics tell them something different.
He has demonstrated time and again that his only objective is to regain power in order to stave off convictions and exact revenge.
To stave off convictions? Perhaps. To exact revenge? Good grief get real. When was Trump even while sitting in the White House EVER dong anything like that? The powers which be hindered him at every turn.

And by the way.....if you believe there's some truth to what you say he's doing what he's doing to stave off convictions......then why aren't the Dems smart enough and wise enough to know that for the good of the country they could offer him a Total pardon of everything legally and then maybe he'd back off.

His rallies are full of personal entertaining stories,
So were Obama's. So were Reagans. And talking to other leaders good stories can make great points you can't make another way.

I said we don't need that second-rate entertainer running the show. Trump is not a leader because all he does is take while never giving anything back.
Never is a pretty absolute term. Sorry don't buy it.
 
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I could not care less what you buy.
And I don't care less what you put out so I guess then we're even.
Trump is an entertainer (and a pretty bad one), not a leader.
The voters will decide that.
Hopefully getting shot at will make him think different about what he is doing to the country.
And hopefully Dems (Biden) will start appreciating what they're doing to the country by saying before the assignation attempt that Trump should be put in the bullseye. I could give a long list of other things that have been said as well.
 
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And I don't care less what you put out so I guess then we're even.
You cared enough to post so this makes no sense.
The voters will decide that.

And hopefully Dems (Biden) will start appreciating what they're doing to the country by saying before the assignation attempt that Trump should be put in the bullseye. I could give a long list of other things that have been said as well.
The dems do appreciate what Biden has done for the country. Biden cares about the country, the same cannot be said for his opponent.

Trump should leave the race.
 
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The dems do appreciate what Biden has done for the country.
Of course some Dems like Biden. Tell me overall how Biden is doing in the polls? Does 90% of the nations population appreciate Biden's results? Um....NO.
Biden cares about the country,
I won't demonize Biden by saying he doesn't. For the reason that Trump has a different approach in what he'd like to see I'd suggest you should offer the same allowance for him too.....that he may indeed and want to LOVE the country of the United States. Stop playing good guy bad guy.
Trump should leave the race.
There's an absolute roar being heard throughout the country right now that Biden should. Do you deny this?
 
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Of course some Dems like Biden. Tell me overall how Biden is doing in the polls? Does 90% of the nations population appreciate Biden's results? Um....NO.

The topic is.

To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race​


I won't entertain a derailment to discuss Biden.
 
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