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[GoldenBoy89]

More on the lady killed by Californian terrorist. California - Attempting to become the worse human civilization has to offer!

You don’t have to answer but can I ask what state you live in? I’d like to look up your local crime statistics to compare.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Terrorism defined - The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians.

Every violent crime is an act of terrorism?

Pretty useless definition, if you ask me.

 

[dzheremi]

You Californians live as you please. All I can say is, with the inflation and crime... Poor visitors!

I was going to respond to this in order to point out how silly it is, but then I realized that as a native Californian, I've never really experienced the state as a "visitor", so there may very well be something about that experience that I can't grasp.

So, visitors to California, please tell us how it was. Most importantly: how were you murdered?

 

[dzheremi]

P.S. - "The inflation" is an interesting thing to point out, given that CPI inflation in CA, which is admittedly on the high end of things at 3.60%, is topped by such bastions of liberalism as Florida (with the nation's highest inflation for the measured period in the analysis at the link, at 3.91%), Texas (3.81), Alabama, and South Dakota (both 3.64). If you look at the provided graphic, the states that are coping with CPI inflation the best (at below the stated goal of 2%) are Rhode Island (the state with the lowest inflation, at 1.78%, and also a state where a Republican has only won in the race for president four times since 1928, most recently in 1984), Massachusetts (1.90 and very liberal -- e.g., all 9 house districts they have in congress are held by Democrats, and a Republican hasn't won at that level there since 1994), and New Jersey (1.99, and again very liberal, with the state going with the Democratic candidate for president every year since 1992, and having both of its chambers of its legislature controlled by Democrats since 2004).

Hmm...

 

[rockytopva]

You don’t have to answer but can I ask what state you live in? I’d like to look up your local crime statistics to compare.

Describing our "Non LA" area...

In the earlier days, long before the railroads ran through that section, East Tennessee was a country to itself. Its topography made it such. Its people were a peculiar people - rugged, honest and unique. I doubt if their kind was ever known under other circumstances. Hundreds of them were well-to-do, and now and then, in the more fertile communities, there was actual wealth. Especially was this true along the beautiful water-courses where the farm lands are unequaled, even to this good day.

Among them were people of intelligence and high ideals. No country could boast of a finer grade of men and women than lived and flourished in portions of that "Switzerland of America." Their ministers and lawyers and politicians were men of unusual talent. Some of the most eloquent men produced in the United States were born and flourished in East Tennessee.

Those evergreen hills and sun-tipped mountains, covered with a verdant forest in summer and gorgeously decorated with every variety of autumnal hue in the fall and winter; those foaming rivers and leaping cascades; the scream of the eagle by day and the weird hoot of the owl by night - all these natural environments conspired to make men hardy and their speech pictorial and romantic. As a result, there were among them men of native eloquence, veritable sons of thunder in the pulpit, before the bar, and on the hustings.

But far back from these better advantages of soil and institutions of learning, in the gorges, on the hills, along the ravines and amid the mountains, the great throbbing masses of the people were of a different type and belonged almost to another civilization. They were rugged, natural and picturesque. With exceptions, they were not people of books; they did not know the art of letters; they were simple, crude, sincere and physically brave. They enjoyed the freedom of the hills, the shadows of the rocks and the grandeur of the mountains. They were a robust set of men and women, whose dress was mostly homespun, whose muscles were tough, whose countenances were swarthy, and whose rifles were their defense. They took an interest in whatever transpired in their own localities and in the more favored sections of their more fortunate neighbors. They were social, and practiced the law of reciprocity long before Uncle Sam tried to establish it between this country and Canada.

Who among us, having lived in that garden spot of the world, can ever forget the old-fashioned house-raisings, the rough and tumble log-rollings, the frosty corn-shuckings, the road-workings and the quilting-bees? And when the day's work was over - then the supper - after that the fiddle and the bow, and the old Virginia reel. None but a registered East Tennessean, in his memory, can do justice to experiences like those. No such things ever happened in just that way anywhere on the face of the earth except in that land of the skies.

Therefore, the man who even thinks of those East Tennesseans as sluggards and ignoramuses who got nothing out of life is wide of the mark. They had sense of the horse kind; and they were people of good though crude morals. No such thing as a divorce was known among them. It was rare that one of them ever went to jail in our section; and, if he did, he was disgraced for life.

I never knew, in my boyhood, of but one man going to the penitentiary and it was a shock to the whole country. - The Life of George Clark Rankin

 

[essentialsaltes]

Describing our "Non LA" area...

In the earlier days, long before the railroads ran through that section, East Tennessee

I met a little girl in Knoxville, a town we all know well
And every Sunday evening, out in her home, I'd dwell
We went to take an evening walk about a mile from town
I picked a stick up off the ground and knocked that fair girl down

 

[rockytopva]

I met a little girl in Knoxville, a town we all know well
And every Sunday evening, out in her home, I'd dwell
We went to take an evening walk about a mile from town
I picked a stick up off the ground and knocked that fair girl down

But... I cannot guarantee our little "Switzerland of America" will stay that way. And will probably fall into crimes such as we seen in this thread. In which I will be embarrassed not only for any particular state, but for the country as a whole.

 

[dzheremi]

Tennessee

Gee, I wonder what would happen if we compared the crime statistics of Tennessee's most populous city, Nashville, to California's most populous city, Los Angeles. Let's do that!

From the website Neighborhood Scout, which basically exists to enable people interested in moving to different places to do exactly these kinds of comparisons, we read the following about Nashville:

"With a crime rate of 50 per one thousand residents, Nashville has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 20. Within Tennessee, more than 98% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Nashville. In fact, after researching dangerous places to live, NeighborhoodScout found Nashville to be one of the top 100 most dangerous cities in the U.S.A.

Importantly, when you compare Nashville to other communities of similar population, then Nashville crime rate (violent and property crimes combined) is quite a bit higher than average. Regardless of how Nashville does relative to all communities in America of all sizes, when NeighborhoodScout compared it to communities of similar population size, its crime rate per thousand residents stands out as higher than most."

Looking at the numbers themselves, we see that Nashville's annual crime rate (per 1,000 residents) is 10.95 for violent crimes, and 38.66 for property crimes. In terms of its place on the "Total Crime Index", it is at 3, meaning that it is safer than only 3% of U.S. cities.

Moving over to obviously-worst-place-in-the-world Los Angeles, California we find that its annual crime rate is 8.83 for violent crimes, and 27.53 for property crimes. Its place on the "Total Crime Index" is 7, meaning that it is safer than only 7% of U.S. cities.

But maybe that's not fair, for some reason. Maybe we ought to move things a bit further down the list, since obviously the largest cities in their respective states would likely have the worst crime statistics, because they would be likely to be the most populated places in those states, and obviously more people generally means more of everything, crime included.

So that we can get the population down to under a million (because L.A.'s population of over 3 million is let's say atypical for the USA; there are only 9 cities total in all of America with a population of over 1 million, and L.A. is the second most-populous city in the entire country, and the difference in population between it and next-largest Chicago is over a million in itself), let's look at San Jose, CA (#3 most populated city in CA) and compare it with Knoxville, TN (#3 most populated city in TN). Same website as before, here are the stats for San Jose, CA: 5.28 violent crimes; 26.54 property crimes; 9 on the TCI, meaning it is safer than only 9% of U.S. cities.

And for Knoxville, we have 8.44 violent crimes, 39.60 property crimes, and a TCI rating of 3, meaning that just like its larger fellow TN tourist hotspot Nashville, it is safer than only 3% of U.S. cities.

Obviously I don't have the time or inclination to do this all day with every combination of city or town in both states to present a fuller picture, but I just find it odd how it is that a place where the biggest cities are notably more violent is being painted like some sort of golly gee, Hee Haw, slice of heaven on earth while the rest of us languish in the unforgiving, demon-infested hellscape that is a place that is objectively safer than the comparable cities in the state of Tennessee.

I already know that if the OP has any kind of response to this that isn't some stupid "translation" of it that does not at all capture the point being made, it will probably be that they specified East Tennessee, which is the "Switzerland of America", supposedly. Okay, then. But do you know, readers who are not the OP, what is the largest city in East Tennessee specifically? Knoxville!

 

[Arcangl86]

But... I cannot guarantee our little "Switzerland of America" will stay that way. And will probably fall into crimes such as we seen in this thread. In which I will be embarrassed not only for any particular state, but for the country as a whole.

This was a typical robbery. I guarantee it happens all the time in Tennessee. You are acting like this was an unbelievably heinous act, when in reality it was a typical street crime that got badly botched.

 

[rockytopva]

Our famous LA Terrorist refusing to leave their jail cells...

Men accused of killing woman at shopping mall refuse to attend court

Three men accused of killing a woman tourist during a robbery outside an upscale shopping mall in Newport Beach, CA, refused to leave their jail cells and go to court to face murder charges.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[essentialsaltes]

L.A. crew targeted prominent New Zealand couple at Newport mall, ending in killing, D.A. says​

When Patricia “Trish” McKay and her husband, Douglas, walked out of Fashion Island last week, the New Zealand tourists had just finished a bit of shopping.

Doug McKay, an Auckland business executive, was sporting an expensive watch, and Trish was carrying bags of designer merchandise purchased from the upscale mall.

Those items attracted the attention of an armed robbery crew whose leader had been previously charged with a similar holdup and whose efforts ended in a fatal confrontation, authorities say.

The suspects​

Orange County prosecutors last week charged three men with murder with a felony enhancement in McKay’s death, making them eligible for the death penalty.

McCrary is a third-striker who ... was previously arrested in a nearly identical armed robbery. Santa Monica police said McCrary and another suspect placed a gun to the head of a man while stealing his Rolex in September 2022. He was arrested in January 2023 while in court on another case, and it was that robbery case that resulted in a suspended sentence and two years’ probation.

When asked to explain the lack of prison time for McCrary, the Los Angeles County district attorney’s office said in a statement: “The case against [him] had significant problems with proof. As a result of these issues, the management team at the Airport Court authorized a plea offer that allowed Mr. [McCrary] to be placed on probation with a suspended state prison sentence.”

Orange County Dist. Atty. Todd Spitzer said he was particularly outraged that the crime occurred at a landmark shopping mall.

“Our entire community extends its deepest sympathies to the loved ones of Patricia McKay and to the entire country of New Zealand as we mourn her senseless death in the commission of a crime that should have never happened,” Spitzer said in a statement announcing the charges. “Lawlessness and violence will not be tolerated in our society.”

 

[rockytopva]

“Our entire community extends its deepest sympathies to the loved ones of Patricia McKay and to the entire country of New Zealand as we mourn her senseless death in the commission of a crime that should have never happened,” Spitzer said in a statement announcing the charges. “Lawlessness and violence will not be tolerated in our society.”

Hey! I like that! thanks for posting!

 

[rjs330]

Our entire community extends its deepest sympathies to the loved ones of Patricia McKay and to the entire country of New Zealand as we mourn her senseless death in the commission of a crime that should have never happened,” Spitzer said in a statement announcing the charges. “Lawlessness and violence will not be tolerated in our society.”

Yes our sympathies to these poor people and to New Zealand as a whole.

Yes this crime never should have happened. These thugs should have been in jail not on the street. This follows along with Newsomes soft on crime stance. Any one who has committed a violent crime, especially with a gun should be locked away for good and not be ket out to commit mire crime and murder.

Did anyone happen to note the race of the suspects?

 

[rockytopva]

Race of the suspects? Here is a white Florida man who drops a toddler off a two story balcony. I would have no use for this guy either.

Florida man dropped 4-year-old head first off second-story balcony after drinking with boy’s mom: cops

Brandon Gilmore told the toddler’s mom he would take him out on the balcony ‘and scare him a little bit’ — before the boy fell two stories head first onto the concrete below…

nypost.com

 

[Arcangl86]

Yes our sympathies to these poor people and to New Zealand as a whole.

Yes this crime never should have happened. These thugs should have been in jail not on the street.

Two of the three appeared to be first-time offenders, so it's not really possible for them to have been in jail. I'm a little bit confused why the third person wasn't incarcerated because he appeared to have three strikes, but an article I read said that the third one he pled out to, and maybe part of the idea was to not trigger the three strike rule? But even so, at best one of the three should have been incarcerated.

This follows along with Newsomes soft on crime stance.

What does this have to do with Newsome? Both DAs and the AG are elected positions. Newsome doesn't really have a say in who gets prosecuted for what. Where he can affect things is signing legislation passed by the California State Legislature, but the one change to the penal code that happened since he has been in office has no effect on any of the parties involved here.

Any one who has committed a violent crime, especially with a gun should be locked away for good and not be ket out to commit mire crime and murder.

I know you are hard on crime, but life imprisonment for any crime involving a gun seems a bit draconian to me. Not to mention impractical. Prison space in California is already so limited it was has been found to be a 8th Amendment issue. The amount needed for what you are suggesting is astronomical.

 

[rjs330]

Two of the three appeared to be first-time offenders, so it's not really possible for them to have been in jail. I'm a little bit confused why the third person wasn't incarcerated because he appeared to have three strikes, but an article I read said that the third one he pled out to, and maybe part of the idea was to not trigger the three strike rule? But even so, at best one of the three should have been incarcerated.

I not confused at all. Newsome is soft on crime.

 

[Arcangl86]

I not confused at all. Newsome is soft on crime.

How is he soft on crime? What things in particular has he done to prove that to you?

 

[rockytopva]

How is he soft on crime? What things in particular has he done to prove that to you?

California has had ENOUGH! Sheriff blasts soft-on-crime Gavin Newsom

Chad Bianco accused Gov. Gavin Newsom of pedaling 'false' crime statistics as a way to protect progressive policies that have failed to address rampant crime, homelessness and drug deaths.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Pommer]

California has had ENOUGH! Sheriff blasts soft-on-crime Gavin Newsom

Chad Bianco accused Gov. Gavin Newsom of pedaling 'false' crime statistics as a way to protect progressive policies that have failed to address rampant crime, homelessness and drug deaths.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This appears to be an op/ed wherein the writer quotes the critic of Newsom for following the democratically passed Prop 47 (which reduced many crimes from felonies to misdemeanors) and was passed in 2014 under Jerry Brown, five years before Newsom became Governor.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

You Californians live as you please. All I can say is, with the inflation and crime... Poor visitors!

Actually my aunt from a Red states. Had a good time in CA. And she didn't think it was any worse, when it comes to high prices. Than where she lives. She said somethings was here.