Project 2025 is NOT the Trump plan - do not get mislead

[durangodawood]

That's a result of taking boogeyman hype at face value and then seeing what it's really all about.

Thats what the OP person was doing? He's the one going all out to distance Trump from this thing. Just now he compared it to the other side's leftist extremism

 

[ozso]

Thats what the OP person was doing? He's the one going all out to distance Trump from this thing. Just now he compared it to the other side's leftist extremism

The boogeyman is the draconian totalitarianism that Trump is going to bring forth via Project 2025. When in reality those are ideas a non-government private think tank came up with on their own. And also that the ideas the think tank came up with aren't horrific.

 

[BPPLEE]

Which ones of those 20 points do you disagree with?

Looks good to me.

 

[Bradskii]

And you offer what as an alternative? Joe Biden?

Why do you keep doing this? Each person who stands for office must be considered as they stand. Not 'Well, I can't see anyone better, so this must be the best guy'. It's like someone asking why you keep going to the same godawful restaurant. And you say 'Well, the one across the road is much worse.'

Why support someone who is patently unsuited for any political position at all? It reflects badly on you.

 

[ozso]

Why do you keep doing this? Each person who stands for office must be considered as they stand. Not 'Well, I can't see anyone better, so this must be the best guy'. It's like someone asking why you keep going to the same godawful restaurant. And you say 'Well, the one across the road is much worse.'

Why support someone who is patently unsuited for any political position at all? It reflects badly on you.

When you live in a town with only two restaurants you pick the lesser of two evils.

 

[JustOneWay]

When you live in a town with only two restaurants you pick the lesser of two evils.

I just cook my own. Don't you?

 

[BPPLEE]

Why do you keep doing this? Each person who stands for office must be considered as they stand. Not 'Well, I can't see anyone better, so this must be the best guy'. It's like someone asking why you keep going to the same godawful restaurant. And you say 'Well, the one across the road is much worse.'

Why support someone who is patently unsuited for any political position at all? It reflects badly on you.

You ignore the fact that this is the choice we have. There are many restaurants but only a choice between the Democrat and Republican candidates for president. You can vote for the third party candidate who has no chance of winning or not vote at all. Those aren’t really choices are they?
What other reason do we have to have other than that we think one will be better than the other?
It’s all the other side has either.
Trump is more like the restaurant where someone says “No one goes there, it’s too crowded,”

 

[BPPLEE]

When you live in a town with only two restaurants you pick the lesser of two evils.

If you want to eat out you do

 

[Merrill]

FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE

Given the projections that the SS Trust Fund will run out of money in a decade or so, resulting in a shortfall where incoming funds will only cover 83% of obligations, how will the Trump Administration achieve 100% funding for these programs without any benefit cuts?

I notice there is no mention of the federal debt. Will Social Security be funded in the future on additional debt left to our descendants?

Why wait until Trump is in office to do anything about these things?

Your guy is in the Whitehouse right now --is there some reason he hasn't done anything to fix social security, reduce the debt, or deal with deficits? The US debt-to-GDP ratio is 122% (up from 117% last year, and Obama took it from 82% to 103% in 8 years), and the debt is at record levels.

Biden has talked about subjecting income above 400k to payroll taxes, which would help social security, but he hasn't done it.

Someone is going to have to cut benefits, raise the retirement age, and subject all income to payroll taxes --but that won't happen until the program is totally insolvent. Neither Trump nor Biden are going to touch social security

 

[Hans Blaster]

This looks like a child wrote this.

He did.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why wait until Trump is in office to do anything about these things?

Hey, I was asked what I objected to in Trump's stated plans in his platform. I picked a piece of low hanging fruit.

This thread is about what is and isn't the Trump plan.

Dealing with the debt is not in the Trump plan.

He's going to build walls, deport millions of people, make the economy higher, and lower taxes. If you do the math, it's clear that the plan is to pump and dump. Our posterity's future is the dump.

 

[ozso]

I just cook my own. Don't you?

The two restaurants represent the two candidates. What does cooking your own represent?

 

[ozso]

Hey, I was asked what I objected to in Trump's stated plans in his platform. I picked a piece of low hanging fruit.

This thread is about what is and isn't the Trump plan.

Dealing with the debt is not in the Trump plan.

He's going to build walls, deport millions of people, make the economy higher, and lower taxes. If you do the math, it's clear that the plan is to pump and dump. Our posterity's future is the dump.

We're already in the dump.

 

[Bradskii]

You ignore the fact that this is the choice we have.

Rubbish. You are saying that Option T is a good option because Option B is a bad one. There is no way on Planet Reality that T can be described as anything other than a complete disaster. And I really think that you know that.

And what will your answer be? Well, it won't address your option. You'll knee jerk revert to 'Well, the other guy is just as bad.'

You can't face the reality of the situation.

 

[KCfromNC]

Only the left wing liberals believe mainstream conservatives are now extreme.

If project 2025 really reflects the political goals of mainstream voters, it is weird we've seen so much effort to distance Trump from it when courting mainstream voters.

Seems like another case where right wing talking points don't line up with each other, much less reality.

 

[ozso]

 

[JustOneWay]

The two restaurants represent the two candidates. What does cooking your own represent?

It is real simple. There are not only two choices.

 

[Gene2memE]

Sounds like project 2025 was cooked up to damage the Trump campaign.

Given how it reads, that's certainly A conclusion you could draw from it. At last count at least 140 former members of the Trump Administration have been involved or are currently with the project. I mean surely if you've worked for Trump, there would be no way you could be actively supporting getting him back into the presidency, so sabotage would seem the best option?

But jokes aside, no. It was "cooked up" by a bunch of uber right-wing, highly Trump aligned think tanks and Trump-orbit intellectuals (for lack of a better term). Authors come from:

The Heritage Foundation
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Michigan State University
American Cornerstone Institute
Mercatus Center at George Mason University
The Fund for American Studies
Independent Women’s Forum
Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council
FreedomWorks
American Foreign Policy Council

The lead authors also include the people who were appointed to the following official roles during the Trump Administration:

Leader of the Bureau of Land Management
Senior White House economics and trade advisor
Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs
Acting U.S. Secretary of Defense, Director of the National Counter-terrorism Center, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations
and Combating Terrorism, and Senior Director for Counter-terrorism and Transnational Threats at the National Security Council
Member of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
Senior manager at the Office of Personnel Management
Chief of Staff at the Environmental Protection Agency
CFO of the US Department of Commerce
Deputy Chief of Staff
Acting Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services/Acting Deputy Secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development
Federal Communication Commission’s General Counsel
Deputy Associate Attorney General at the Justice Department
Acting Assistant Secretary for Policy at the U.S. Department of Labor

 

[ozso]

It is real simple. There are not only two choices.

Who's the other realistic choice?

Biden vs. Trump vs. RFK Jr. polls - The Hill and DDHQ

See how President Joe Biden, Donald Trump, and RFK Jr., compare in the polls leading up to the 2024 presidential election.

elections2024.thehill.com

 

[ozso]

Given how it reads, that's certainly A conclusion you could draw from it. I mean, at last count at least 140 former members of the Trump Administration have been involved or are currently with the project. I mean surely if you've worked for Trump, there would be no way you could be actively supporting getting him back into the presidency, so sabotage would seem the best option?

But jokes aside, no. It was "cooked up" by a bunch of uber right-wing, highly Trump aligned think tanks and Trump-orbit intellectuals (for lack of a better term). Authors come from:

The Heritage Foundation
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Michigan State University
American Cornerstone Institute
Mercatus Center at George Mason University
The Fund for American Studies
Independent Women’s Forum
Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council
FreedomWorks
American Foreign Policy Council

The lead authors also include the people who were appointed to the following official roles during the Trump Administration:

Leader of the Bureau of Land Management
Senior White House economics and trade advisor
Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs
Acting U.S. Secretary of Defense, Director of the National Counter-terrorism Center, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations
and Combating Terrorism, and Senior Director for Counter-terrorism and Transnational Threats at the National Security Council
Member of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
Senior manager at the Office of Personnel Management
Chief of Staff at the Environmental Protection Agency
CFO of the US Department of Commerce
Deputy Chief of Staff
Acting Director of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services/Acting Deputy Secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development
Federal Communication Commission’s General Counsel
Deputy Associate Attorney General at the Justice Department
Acting Assistant Secretary for Policy at the U.S. Department of Labor

I should have said, it sounds like the supposed controversy over project 2025 was cooked up to damage the Trump campaign. So far it seems to be 90% "it's a bad thing" and 10% "this is why it's a bad thing".