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Flat Earthers: What They Believe and Why

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Michael Marshall, project director of the Good Thinking Society in the U.K., talks about flat earth belief and its relationship to conspiracy theories and other antiscience activities.

So I'm Michael Marshall and I'm the project director of the good thinking society, which is a charity based in the UK. Uh, the whole purpose of our charity is to promote science to challenge pseudoscience. So we'll do work, uh, to forward science education. And then another part of the, the work that we do, which is the bulk of my work, is to find ideas that aren't backed by evidence and find people who are promoting those ideas, find people who are buying into those ideas and to explore them and figure out if anything can be done to prevent people being confused by them, harmed by them misled by them in those kinds of things. So I spent a lot of my time looking at things like alternative cancer kills and the people who promote those and alternative medicine. I've spent a lot of my time going to see people who say they can talk the dead. Who say they can do faith healing.

And then another part of my, uh, my time is spent talking to people who believe in, uh, unusual ideas and who are kind of proponents of them. And that's how I came across the flat earth world, uh, is through my, uh, slightly odd, uh, hobby. Uh, at the time before I was working full time as a, as a skeptic, it was a hobby of mine to, um, be in rooms filled with people who disagree with me. To just understand what brings people to ideas that I would look at and say, well, this can't be true. These kinds of fringe and extreme and unusual beliefs. Um, what brings people to believe them and what kind of paths lead people there? What evidence supports, uh, supports their position in their minds and how do they engage with the world with that worldview and try and have conversations.

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I believe the earth originally was created a single circular pieces of land/ground surrounded by the seas. This land/ground is or was, as now the land ground has been broken up or divided as states in The Bible in English.

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.


The circular land/ground was/is a stationary plain (now divided up). Above the earth is the raqia (dome, sky, expanse) where God placed the sun, moon and stars. They were place there to give light to the earth and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

The sun and moon are circular convex disk facing the earth, whose light shines directly down toward the surface of the earth.

The sun, moon and stars are around 5000 (+ or-) miles up above the earth. The sun is the sun a created light and not a star, as stars are stars and not suns. The moon is also a created light which is it own light source. The moon does not reflect the suns light.
 
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Paranoia. There are people who feel that they're out to get us. They'll find something to justify their feeling, and flat Earth is one of a number of ways. It's the paranoia that makes them immune to arguments, because any evidence that contradicts them was faked by them, the ones who are out to get us.

What I find interesting is that flat Earthers are universally unable to grasp even the basics of science. I mean, high school stuff. Things like the First Law of Motion, something that's taught at the beginning of high school physics. It's not just a matter of being bad at science. They make up their own rules of science as they like, and anything that disagrees with them is false, made up by them, the ones who are out to get us.

Because no argument can faze them, I'm not interested in trying to change their minds. Since they're such a tiny minority, they're pretty harmless.
 
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I agree that some mental illness or impairment is to be expected, when believing in something that obviously does not work.

I suspect that many of them are socially isolated and developed a deep distrust towards the society. And because they lack the ability to reason properly, they are trapped in their delusion.
 
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I believe the earth originally was created a single circular pieces of land/ground surrounded by the seas. This land/ground is or was, as now the land ground has been broken up or divided as states in The Bible in English.

To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

I believe this to be due to tectonics, I reckon this is what happened at Babel when God confused their language.

The circular land/ground was/is a stationary plain (now divided up). Above the earth is the raqia (dome, sky, expanse) where God placed the sun, moon and stars. They were place there to give light to the earth and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

The sun and moon are circular convex disk facing the earth, whose light shines directly down toward the surface of the earth.

I too believe all this

The sun, moon and stars are around 5000 (+ or-) miles up above the earth.

What makes you think this ?

The moon is also a created light which is it own light source. The moon does not reflect the suns light.

Also, if you stand in the direct light of the moon you will find it colder
 
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This is usually true, although not because moonlight is cold, but because a covered area retains more heat.

The moon is emitting cold light. Here's proof.​

 
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I believe this to be due to tectonics, I reckon this is what happened at Babel when God confused their language.



I too believe all this



What makes you think this ?



Also, if you stand in the direct light of the moon you will find it colder

Well for one thing the New Jerusalem (city) will be a 1500 mile square cube. So the sun and moon will have to be higher than 1500 miles so they will not hit the city.

In the books Earth not a globe they give measurements

Amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/Bible-Heaven...ble+from+Heaven&qid=1718453468&s=books&sr=1-2
 
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Well for one thing the New Jerusalem (city) will be a 1500 mile square cube. So the sun and moon will have to be higher than 1500 miles so they will not hit the city.

In the books Earth not a globe they give measurements

Amazon.com

Amazon.com

Thanks d taylor, these books look interesting I may purchase them. :thumbsup:

From the book;

Terra Firma: the Earth Not a Planet, Proved from Scripture, Reason, and Fact​

This chapter sounds interesting;

The World Circular, But Not Globular; Has Immovable Foundations, Therefore Not a Planet
 
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Thanks d taylor, these books look interesting I may purchase them. :thumbsup:

From the book;

Terra Firma: the Earth Not a Planet, Proved from Scripture, Reason, and Fact​

This chapter sounds interesting;

The World Circular, But Not Globular; Has Immovable Foundations, Therefore Not a Planet
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You may also like this book.

Amazon.com
 
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I would be interested to know if Flat Earthers believe that Africa, Australia, New Zealand and South America exist or if they now consider these continents to be conspiracy theories, given that there are now once again direct flights between them on routes Flat Earthers insisted were impossible. Every flat Earther I met for a time hyped the absence of these services due to Covid and other factors, because it was briefly the case that one had to connect through hubs in the Northern Hemisphere to get from Australia and New Zealand to South America or Africa, or between South America and Africa. But such services have been renewed. The mining industry along with tourism are driving traffic on these services, and the Boeing 787 is a particularly good aircraft for such services.
 
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I was watching a documentary on William Shattner...it showed his flight into space with 2 other people. The curvature of the earth was plainly obvious...

I guess the flat brigade will dismiss it though as they are blinded when truth stares them in the face!

No flat earther has gone up and shown a flat earth! Why? Because the earth is not flat! Its only flat in their imaginations!
 
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Yall can make fun of God's creation all you want but a day is coming where you will not be able to avoid the true creation that is described in The Bible. Science will be of no help to you then.

See, thats where you are totally blinded by your very own unique beliefs....

How can anyone who believes that the earth is a sphere be making fun of God's creation? How?

I truly believe in God's creation!

Its just that you see 'flat earth' when you interpret scripture where i dont!

God gave us knowledge, He gave us the ability to learn and discover. He gave us science. Without God there would be no science....
 
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See, thats where you are totally blinded by your very own unique beliefs....

How can anyone who believes that the earth is a sphere be making fun of God's creation? How?

I truly believe in God's creation!

Its just that you see 'flat earth' when you interpret scripture where i dont!

God gave us knowledge, He gave us the ability to learn and discover. He gave us science. Without God there would be no science....
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So if God gave man science. Why does all of science, not declare God exist and not just a random god, but The God of The Bible. Plus science originated from pagan cultures.
 
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So if God gave man science. Why does all of science, not declare God exist and not just a random god, but The God of The Bible. Plus science originated from pagan cultures.
The flat earth cosmology originated from pagan cultures.
 
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