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Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

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Platte

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Pretty easy...

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10

How hard is that? As far as all the particulars, including how trillions of cells come together to form living beings, are truths helped along by the Holy Spirit.
The particulars are given to us by God. Genesis provides great details about creation and provides a stunningly detailed chronology to give us a sense of when things happened.
 
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Genesis provides great details about creation and provides a stunningly detail chronology
"Let there be... and there was" is not "great details" and the separation into perfect 7 days for the temple inauguration is not a stunningly detailed chronology.

Why do you try to force the text to do what you want it to do?
 
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He absolutely did.
Nope, He referred to Genesis for moral (divorce) and theological purposes, never for what you try to use it for.

Have you even read Genesis?
Many times. Specifically Genesis 1 and 2 in the Masoretic version in several translations (and in two different languages) and the Septuagint version in the original Greek (Rahlfs Hanhart edition) and in English in Brenton and NETS translations. I read several papers and all theological views I could find about it, I watched various lectures about the cultural context.

What about you? How much did you care about the text?

The whole point of the book is Historical and written in a chronological manner (as a historical book would do) To provide a Historical understanding of how the Jews became God people and a nation. From the beginning of time up till Joseph and his family living in Egypt. Followed by Exodus. Another historical narrative as to how the Jews became slaves in Egypt, their exodus, and more historical context of the Jews becoming a nation. Again. The whole point of the book is to provide History.
Just plain, intuitive reading in the 21st century is not enough, the text is made in specific cultural context and you must learn the context first. Without that, what you are doing is eisegesis (inserting your ideas into the text), not exegesis (what the author meant).
 
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Bishop Ussher had a library of 10,000 books and Ussher ia highly respected today. Perhaps there is safety in numbers.
Its better to read five books than to own 10,000. And he is not "highly respected today", only the YEC people still use his primitive sums of genealogies. You do not need 10,000 books for that, I did the sum also, as a 10-years or so old child.
 
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This is called Hermeneutics. You could ask on that forum if your interested.

Context is a key factor in interpreting the Bible accurately. Bible scholars consider the historical, social, political, religious, and literary aspects of the original writing when interpreting the text. Taking the text out of context can lead to misinterpretation.

 
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Same with you. What is relevant is that the first verse of Genesis is about creation, not churches.
Yes, same with me, I am a modern reader and my intuitive reading of an ancient text and references is not good enough. Thats why I had to learn what they meant.

If they imagined a temple as you claim in the verse that said God created heaven and earth they were not so bright. I suspect they were fine, so who does that leave?
I can say that you still did not watch the sources I provided for you. Genesis 1 is a creation story written by ancient (very ancient) Israelites. They wrote the creation story in the form of a mythological drama, as a temple inauguration. Its still a creation story, only the form is something unknown to you.

Strawman. I never said that. I showed that we don't know what the word means. One of the meanings is dragon though and I think we all know who that is and how he relates to the end time.
We know what Leviathan was. Its a mythical semitic god of chaos, a giant hydra with (probably 7) heads, who lives in the waters under the Earth (in the flat Earth cosmology). When God created the Earth from waters (Genesis 1:2), He had to deal with Leviathan (mythologically, of course).
Both waters and Leviathan represent primeval chaos.

Who cares about a haplessly inadequate science that is cave man level when it comes to higher truth like creation and How God did things?
Most people. For example, the vast majority of Christians do not believe in the Sun, the Moon and the stars being just lights in the firmament.

Make a point from a source. The points you made so far, like how 'every' one knew that Gen 1 was talking about some temple or something are ludicrous.
I did make the point and then gave you the source to check it out. Your personal denials "false, no, I dont believe that, Its ludicrous" are not relevant reactions.
 
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Really? Great how much money can we make?
Old authors are reprinted all the time in specific editions. Some for historical purposes, some for people with special interest in the era, for libraries, they are being printed in universities press etc. Regarding profits, you must ask the publishers.

What is it you reject or do not accept about Bishop Ussher's book?
Do you have a better more accurate chronology?
The purpose of biblical genealogies is not to provide "accurate chronology". If you sum the Septuagint genealogies, you will come out with completely different numbers. Have you tried it, ever?
 
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"Let there be... and there was" is not "great details" and the separation into perfect 7 days for the temple inauguration is not a stunningly detailed chronology.

Why do you try to force the text to do what you want it to do?
You’ve spent years mulling over the details, don’t get it twisted.

The chronology of the Bible is the most detailed chronology known to mankind of the ancient world. I bet you could tell me Abraham’s grandfathers name. His great great great grandfather too. Quick. Who was Noah’s father. Did Abraham’s son Isaac have any children?
 
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You’ve spent years mulling over the details, don’t get it twisted.
Mulling? What is that supposed to mean.

Anyway, I have spent years to understand the meaning, not over details.

The chronology of the Bible is the most detailed chronology known to mankind of the ancient world. I bet you could tell me Abraham’s grandfathers name. His great great great grandfather too. Quick. Who was Noah’s father. Did Abraham’s son Isaac have any children?
How many ancient world chronologies have you checked? Can you name few Chinese ones? Quick.
 
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Nope, He referred to Genesis for moral (divorce) and theological purposes, never for what you try to use it for.


Many times. Specifically Genesis 1 and 2 in the Masoretic version in several translations (and in two different languages) and the Septuagint version in the original Greek (Rahlfs Hanhart edition) and in English in Brenton and NETS translations. I read several papers and all theological views I could find about it, I watched various lectures about the cultural context.

What about you? How much did you care about the text?


Just plain, intuitive reading in the 21st century is not enough, the text is made in specific cultural context and you must learn the context first. Without that, what you are doing is eisegesis (inserting your ideas into the text), not exegesis (what the author meant).
You need to go back and see what Jesus says about it.

You don’t agree that the primary purpose of Genesis, Exodus, etc is to provide a historical reference for how the Jewish nation became a nation and the importance of God in the success they achieved? I mean go read it again. The books are almost exclusively providing you with history. You may not agree it’s accurate but clearly the whole point of the books are intended to give a historical account.
 
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Mulling? What is that supposed to mean.

Anyway, I have spent years to understand the meaning, not over details.


How many ancient world chronologies have you checked? Can you name few Chinese ones? Quick.
What are you trying to understand? The details presented to you! Sometimes you can just say ok
 
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You need to go back and see what Jesus says about it.

You don’t agree agree the the primary purpose of Genesis, Exodus, etc is to provide a historical reference for how the Jewish nation became a nation and the importance of God in the success they achieved? I mean go read it again. The books are almost exclusively providing you with history. You may not agree it’s accurate but clearly the whole point of the books are intended to give a historical account.
How much have you studied the text, to feel confident discussing it? I would like to know.
 
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What are you trying to understand? The details presented to you! Sometimes you can just say ok
How many ancient genealogies have you checked? Name few Chinese ones, quick. Do not just throw claims here, without any studying or previous verification.
 
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