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Why would anyone handcuff Genesis and put it in a shoebox limited to man's current science? It is far more intelligent and broad for that.
Naturally since God told Adam he would die and return to dust, it would become associated with death. That does not mean God did not form us from material of the earth, it just means that because man sinned, he would die. Your stab at 'symbolism' was totally off.
I said it did not matter whether dirt or dust or whatever. He used it to form the first man. Period. It was not man crawling out of a pond or a pile of dirt over millions of years etc.
He affirmed His Own word that was the law and prophets. Your attempt at Jewcentracism is overturned.
To know which is which one needs His Spirit. If someone does not believe in Adam or the flood etc we all can know immediately they do not have it.
The verses you cited did not contain either, speaking of paying attention.
Understanding what Genesis is and by whom it was written is not handcuffing Genesis. Its caring about Genesis enough to learn about it.
Dust was associated with mortality before Genesis was written. Its quite an easy concept - when somebody dies, he decomposes to what looks like dust. This concept of us being of dust and turning to dust was then reflected in the text of Genesis. I did not stab at symbolism, I actually accept the symbolism.
Of course it matters, it changes the meaning of the text. The text communicates our nature is mortal, not that our nature is dirty.
Jesus never used any Old Testament quotations towards Gentiles. Your globalism of the Mosaic Law is overturned.
And here we go the road again - an intuitive and naive reading is of the Spirit, but learning more about the Bible and verifying what somebody says about it is a sign somebody does not have the Spirit.
Read them again.
Nope, I do not read all the posts. I doubt any of the "1000 scientists" from the link is participating in this thread.
Its a scientific theory. Theory can be adjusted (or, better to say, must be adjusted) according to new discoveries, experiments etc.
Imagining that Genesis is not true or that it must be limited to science is not learning about it, it is rejecting it
No one needs to hire a detective to find some hidden meaning in God creating a man and later taking a bone from him to make a woman. One may need to hire a detective to find some faith in those rejecting what God told us plainly.
The written word came when it was needed, There was another kind of record before that. So if the knowledge of Adam and Eve exists in some pre Genesis record how would that be any surprise? The flood was long before Genesis, no? That does not mean a flood was invented when God arranged a written record of it for man.
Just as God told Adam would happen long before any writing existed.
No. The history was placed in written form with Genesis. History existed already.
No. The common bible translated word is dust. We are also told elsewhere in Scripture that He formed us like clay. You were also told it doesn't matter what sort of dust or dirt He used. What matters is believing it as apparently you do not.
Sin is dirty. Sin causes death. Dirt seems like a fine word. However the context was God forming man from components of this world and later when Adam sinned, the dust was again mentioned, and how Adam would die and return to it. God using dust or whatever to form us from the earth was not about death. Or about Hebrew.
Jesus commanded His words be preached to all actually. Your hyper Jewishcentrism is overthrown.
Disbelief is not learning more about the bible. Nor is it reflective of His Spirit.
I am not factually wrong, and disbelief is not factually right.
Genesis is neither literal nor scientific. It does not mean its not true or limited to science. Its a religious text and the points made there are outside of the limitations of science (science examines natural mechanisms, Genesis is about our place in the world and about God).
The meaning is hidden because the text is so old and foreign to us. For a better understanding, buy a Bible dictionary, for example. Hiring a detective will not help.
The story of Noah's flood was probably circulating orally before it was written down by the authors. Similarly to other concepts mentioned in Genesis and elsewhere.
Or, as Jewish authors wrote that God said, when they wrote Genesis for the Jewish people.
Not sure what history you are talking about. We are talking about the symbolism of dust, which comes from what happens to a decomposing body.
What do you mean by "no". The word is dust. Again, there is no "dirt", stop throwing words as you like in the mix.
And now you will invent imaginative explanations for how your wrong word could fit. We should respect the original text more.
Not "dust or whatever", just dust. Why do you still feel a need to loose the text of Genesis?
Yes, His words. Not the Mosaic Law.
Learning more about the Bible is not disbelief. There is no common Christian creed saying you must be an American evangelical fundamentalist in your view of the Bible. The first church creeds do not even mention Bible at all.
You are factually wrong regarding the text of Genesis:
Its a story in Genesis. Its a theological text with theological meanings. Its not a scientific fact, though.
Genesis chapter one confirms that hundreds of thousands of books on science are accurate and true. For example the order of events follows the order we see in science in the fossil record that God has given us. Clearly God give us the Bible to tell us why and Science to tell us how. They go and in hand and we need both to understand what God is doing.
There is an oral tradition that some people think goes back to adam. They believe people would sit around the camp fire and tell stories Somewhere along the way those stories got recorded and became a part of our Bible. There is a psalm attributed to Moses and this would indicate that this Psalm did not get written down until the time of David.
Nope, the fossil records do not confirm the Genesis order.
In my opinion they do. In your opinion they don't. Looks like we disagree. So go ahead and show me your alleged "evidence".
The most obvious is Earth existing before the Sun.
Clearly that is not what the Bible says. You need to understand the first five words in the Bible before you can hope to understand the rest of the Bible. I can assure you that God does not contradict Himself.
Thats not the issue. The issue is science vs Genesis. Neither science nor Genesis is God.
It is ultimate science, not current cro magnon level manscience and it is true. Waving parts away that do not agree with your evolution origin beliefs by calling them 'literal' changes nothing.
The bible is higher science and modern science is far more a religion than that. How the ebb and flow and essence and functioning of the universe and all that exists is intertwined with God, man has not yet learned. When science constructs a theory of how the solar system came to exist, they have no clue that it was because words came from the mouth of Jesus Christ and it came together like a herd of cows being led by a shepherd and a dog. Man just sees how it is now and extrapolates using a belief that unseen forces that they do not understand was responsible. Like gravity etc. They are less informed than a flea on a rat speculating about the sun. Elevating such foolish and limited knowledge to the level of creator while being ignorant about true science and causes and realities is no different than using a fairy tale. Therefore we can literally say that modern science is nothing more than a glorified (and Satanically infused) fairy tale that is worshipped. Why Satan infused? Because anything or any spirit that denies Christ and the Scripture is not from God. Why worshipped? Because anything put before God that replaces God and is given credit for creation or life is literally worshipping that thing.
The text was fresh when Jesus verified it was true and of God. The texts He sent from Heaven as He promised He would do are also fresh and alive. If you have an issue where you find them impossible to understand, don't blame Him or insult Him by calling what He says old.
It does not matter what was circulating. The world was evil and it is certain many stories going around (like today) were lies and embellished part truths etc. That is why God had to send the real McCoy.
God spoke Personally to Moses if you remember. There was no 'Jewish authors wrote' God spoke to a people and used men to do so. Crediting anyone else is unbelief in drag.
The history of creation and the first man and why sin and death came into the world and how and why man needs Jesus etc. Not some weird and confused supposed symbolism that is less than foolishness.
Last time I checked there can be dust in dirt. The Hebrew word dust means this "
Those who wave away Eve and Adam and the garden and the flood and whatever else they choose are not learning anything. They are rejecting and disbelieving and disrespecting.
The creed does say we believe in God the creator of Heaven and earth I think. That referred to the six day creation, not to some worm watching spook behind the scenes that tried to get some credit for what evolution did!
False.
As posted, your attempt to obfuscate some narrow meaning of dust was nothing more than a diversion from the fact you do not believe it at all.
It is super science fact. The measure of science and reality is not the limited scope of man's knowledge of How God works or set things up.
Genesis is not science. Bible is not a scientific book. Among other reasons is the fact that the modern concept of science was unknown to biblical authors, they did not have such genre at all.
Bible was not sent from heaven. The text is in no way fresh for us and thats why you misunderstand it so much. You read it like written in our era.
God did not spoke Genesis or Exodus to Moses. According to the Bible itself, God began to speak to Moses with the burning bush and the most speaking was done about laws and religious instructions in the desert. If you remember.
The mythological view of creation, sin and death. Not a scientific one.
It has nothing to do with dirt, just stop trying. You made a mistake, it happens.
Yes, all Christians believe that God created/is creating our reality.
Nope, the common church never held a doctrine of 6 literal days creation. Which was a wise thing, considering that when the western medieval church tried to hold the biblical geo-centrism, it did not end well either.
Exchanging them like if they were the same things is muddying the waters, though. It leads to fundamentalism or fanatism which cannot be defended or even justified.
People have tired and no one has ever shown me where the Bible contradicts itself. No one has ever shown me where the Bible and Science contradict. Even we can use the scientific method to understand our Bible.
