On Trump's 2025 Plan, if he gets re-elected as president

[Stephen3141]

Note that the Department of Education has a lot of good educational standards.

Note that many who follow Trump, are anti-intellectual in their worldview.
This includes Protestant Fundamentalists.

Protestant Fundamentalists often hold to a young earth model, and reject
the conclusions of the modern earth sciences (which emerged in the 1700's
during the European Enlightenment).

Although the Protestant Fundamentalists are correct (from a Christian point
of view), that the endless "toleration" in the moral model of many Americans
allows forms of sin, Fundamentalists do not embrace the INTELLECTUAL
arguments of historic Christian apologetics, to establish the Judea-Christian
moral-ethical (ME) model as the one that underlines the founding documents
of America.

No one who is anti-intellectual, in this way, should be determining educational
standards for anything, in the public school system.

Christians who confuse toleration of almost any ME model, with the rejection of
the hard sciences, do not represent the historic Christian position on the goodness
of the mind. Orthodox Christians hold a much more complicated view of reality.
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The hard sciences are built on Mill's Methods, and a historic understanding of
Epistemology. These are valid.

Orthodox Christianity is built on Epistemology, and Moral Theory, and the concept
of our shared reality, and the following concepts of the building blocks of a fair
rule of law.

Orthodox Christians can address the "toleration of any ME system" as incompatible
with a fair rule of law, and justice. They can do this without rejecting the goodness
of the hard sciences.

The claim of many Trump followers that the Department of Education is completely
worthless, reflects a poorly reasoned argument.

The position of orthodox Christians is that the department of Education can teach
Epistemology, and Moral Theory, and Civics, without teaching the ludicrous position
that every ME model must be tolerated.

 

[Postvieww]

Note that the Department of Education has a lot of good educational standards.

Note that many who follow Trump, are anti-intellectual in their worldview.
This includes Protestant Fundamentalists.

Protestant Fundamentalists often hold to a young earth model, and reject
the conclusions of the modern earth sciences (which emerged in the 1700's
during the European Enlightenment).

Although the Protestant Fundamentalists are correct (from a Christian point
of view), that the endless "toleration" in the moral model of many Americans
allows forms of sin, Fundamentalists do not embrace the INTELLECTUAL
arguments of historic Christian apologetics, to establish the Judea-Christian
moral-ethical (ME) model as the one that underlines the founding documents
of America.

No one who is anti-intellectual, in this way, should be determining educational
standards for anything, in the public school system.

Christians who confuse toleration of almost any ME model, with the rejection of
the hard sciences, do not represent the historic Christian position on the goodness
of the mind. Orthodox Christians hold a much more complicated view of reality.
---------- ----------

The hard sciences are built on Mill's Methods, and a historic understanding of
Epistemology. These are valid.

Orthodox Christianity is built on Epistemology, and Moral Theory, and the concept
of our shared reality, and the following concepts of the building blocks of a fair
rule of law.

Orthodox Christians can address the "toleration of any ME system" as incompatible
with a fair rule of law, and justice. They can do this without rejecting the goodness
of the hard sciences.

The claim of many Trump followers that the Department of Education is completely
worthless, reflects a poorly reasoned argument.

The position of orthodox Christians is that the department of Education can teach
Epistemology, and Moral Theory, and Civics, without teaching the ludicrous position
that every ME model must be tolerated.

So called intellectuals have ruined the educational system from the lower grades up to college. Talking about a Christian’s lack of scientific knowledge while so called intellectuals can’t even define what a woman is a bit absurd. Touting the greatness of the current education system while many can’t read up to grade level or at all is also absurd. Professors spewing socialism and communism, give me a break. Enough of the “intellectuals” superiority.

 

[rturner76]

Why should not this leftist propaganda arm of the federal government be eliminated?

You can give no valid reason that will ever be respectable in this day and age to eliminate government support of public education. Public means public, not Christian. You want a Christian education for your kids, and be exposed to absolutely nothing you may find an unacceptable opinion, keep them locked in the house because they are going to learn all about in if you ever let them go outside.

I think conservatives are actually more concerned about bathrooms as in not allowing privacy for anyone in open stalls and showers. It has more to do with privacy than special treatment as all kids should equally be allowed privacy when they take their clothes off. This outdated "let's all get naked together" thing is over, get used to it everywhere or don't leave the house any more.

I can see how old-fashioned this thing gets. Cursive is obsolete today and probably for the past 30 years. People print or type. No need for it anymore as we no longer pen letters to each other and have to dip our quill in ink. So they no longer teach reading, writing, math, history, social studies, foreign language, or physical education. I don't know if you are serious that you mean cursive is more important than all of these topics and not allowing privacy for naked children. Are you actually serious or are you just having fun with me?

Without public education, the country would likely for from 90% literacy back to 1) or less like the Middle Ages). That's an extreme example but literacy would plummet. I guess that could work out well for conservatives so they can go back to paying slave wages and hiring people who can't read a contract. Great for the wealthy. Not so great for people who aren't rich and still want to do something with their lives.

Maybe we should bring back the Monarchy so we can make sure that only people with "good breading" can make anything out of their parent's riches and we can go back to serfdom and peasantry. Wow.

 

[The Barbarian]

Trump, being the person he is, had no idea how the federal government worked. He was constantly thwarted by bureaucrats who insisted on following the law.

He learned from the experience, and if he's given a second chance, won't make the same mistakes again.

 

[The Barbarian]

So called intellectuals have ruined the educational system from the lower grades up to college.

Surprising, then that U.S. universities are still ahead of the rest of the world in research and new discoveries. You wouldn't expect that from a "ruined educational system."

Maintaining U.S. Leadership in Science and Technology

Excerpts from Dr. Mehmood Khan's 6 March testimony before the House Science Committee on maintaining U.S. leadership in science and technology.

insight.ieeeusa.org

Talking about a Christian’s lack of scientific knowledge while so called intellectuals can’t even define what a woman is a bit absurd.

I wouldn't call Sen. Marsha Blackburn an "intellectual." (If you're listening, Marsha, it's an adult human who lacks a Y chromosome) And yes, I know gender is more than genetics, but we don't want to upset Marsha more than we have to.

Touting the greatness of the current education system while many can’t read up to grade level or at all

Donald Trump went to private schools. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Professors spewing socialism and communism, give me a break.

What percentage of "professors" in our public universities to you think are communists? Checkable sources.

Enough of the “intellectuals” superiority.

Intellectual ability isn't everything.

But it beats ignorance every time.

 

[Postvieww]

You can give no valid reason that will ever be respectable in this day and age to eliminate government support of public education. Public means public, not Christian.

My problem is with the FEDERAL role in "PUBLIC" education and its flagrant use of the education system for indoctrination not education. Public education should have more local control.

You want a Christian education for your kids, and be exposed to absolutely nothing you may find an unacceptable opinion, keep them locked in the house because they are going to learn all about in if you ever let them go outside.

My child is 41. I am more concerned about our young children being exposed to sexual behavior not appropriate for young children. I am concerned about about crap that has no place in the education of youth. I am concerned about the role of the parent in THEIR child's upbringing being stolen from them by the federal government who has no right to do so.

I think conservatives are actually more concerned about bathrooms as in not allowing privacy for anyone in open stalls and showers. It has more to do with privacy than special treatment as all kids should equally be allowed privacy when they take their clothes off. This outdated "let's all get naked together" thing is over, get used to it everywhere or don't leave the house any more.

You make light of a serious problem. Would you want your daughter competing in sports, and changing in a locker room with a dude with a penis who thinks he is a girl? This is wokeness gone crazy and one of the main reasons the federals government should stay out of education.

I can see how old-fashioned this thing gets. Cursive is obsolete today and probably for the past 30 years. People print or type. No need for it anymore as we no longer pen letters to each other and have to dip our quill in ink.

Very short sided. This is just one symptom of the dumbing down of society by the woke crowd. You my think it is alright that our youth cannot sign their name but its more than that. Maybe someone would actually like to read the originals of our founding documents.

So they no longer teach reading, writing, math, history, social studies, foreign language, or physical education. I don't know if you are serious that you mean cursive is more important than all of these topics and not allowing privacy for naked children. Are you actually serious or are you just having fun with me?

No cursive is not more important the reading or math or other legitimate subjects. It is but one symptom of the dumbing down process.

"The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science."

U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

American students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international assessments of math, science and reading.

www.pewresearch.org

Without public education, the country would likely for from 90% literacy back to 1) or less like the Middle Ages). That's an extreme example but literacy would plummet.

I am not agains public education I am against Federal Liberal bureaucrats indoctrinating our youth.

I guess that could work out well for conservatives so they can go back to paying slave wages and hiring people who can't read a contract.

Better hope that contract is in block letters.

Great for the wealthy. Not so great for people who aren't rich and still want to do something with their lives.

Maybe we should bring back the Monarchy so we can make sure that only people with "good breading" can make anything out of their parent's riches and we can go back to serfdom and peasantry. Wow.

Typical liberal speak.

 

[ralliann]

You can give no valid reason that will ever be respectable in this day and age to eliminate government support of public education. Public means public, not Christian.

And public means public, not government....These ideologies are not the same ....The public should choose who they choose to keep things the same or change them, through their representative government. It seems some public choices scare you.

You want a Christian education for your kids, and be exposed to absolutely nothing you may find an unacceptable opinion, keep them locked in the house because they are going to learn all about in if you ever let them go outside.

Oh, if our kid goes out in public, all the public has a government ideology?

I think conservatives are actually more concerned about bathrooms as in not allowing privacy for anyone in open stalls and showers. It has more to do with privacy than special treatment as all kids should equally be allowed privacy when they take their clothes off. This outdated "let's all get naked together" thing is over, get used to it everywhere or don't leave the house any more.

I can see how old-fashioned this thing gets. Cursive is obsolete today and probably for the past 30 years. People print or type. No need for it anymore as we no longer pen letters to each other and have to dip our quill in ink. So they no longer teach reading, writing, math, history, social studies, foreign language, or physical education. I don't know if you are serious that you mean cursive is more important than all of these topics and not allowing privacy for naked children. Are you actually serious or are you just having fun with me?

Without public education, the country would likely for from 90% literacy back to 1) or less like the Middle Ages). That's an extreme example but literacy would plummet.

Yes it is rediculous so why say it?

I guess that could work out well for conservatives so they can go back to paying slave wages and hiring people who can't read a contract. Great for the wealthy. Not so great for people who aren't rich and still want to do something with their lives.

Maybe we should bring back the Monarchy so we can make sure that only people with "good breading" can make anything out of their parent's riches and we can go back to serfdom and peasantry. Wow.

And this is "the educated" speaking? Sounds more like a conspiracy tirade.

 

[Stephen3141]

So called intellectuals have ruined the educational system from the lower grades up to college. Talking about a Christian’s lack of scientific knowledge while so called intellectuals can’t even define what a woman is a bit absurd. Touting the greatness of the current education system while many can’t read up to grade level or at all is also absurd. Professors spewing socialism and communism, give me a break. Enough of the “intellectuals” superiority.

I disagree.

It is not intellectuals, who have gutted the college curriculum of required courses.
It is political ideologies.

On the high school level, the dropping of high standards is not the result of intellectuals,
but of political and social worldviews that ignore serious intellectual substance.

It is the anti-intellectual Christian religious groups, that like to characterize the loss
of educational standards, as being caused by "intellectuals".

Note that there are Christians who fully embrace the goodness of the mind, AND
promote a historical curricula that is rigorous. These are "Christians Classical
Education" groups. And, their curricula and alternate competency tests are beginning
to be accepted for college entrance criteria, along with the ACT and SAT.

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There are many false standards for being "intellectual".
But those who are anti-intellectual, do not qualify for being competent to
determine academic standards.

 

[Postvieww]

I disagree.

It is not intellectuals, who have gutted the college curriculum of required courses.
It is political ideologies.

On the high school level, the dropping of high standards is not the result of intellectuals,
but of political and social worldviews that ignore serious intellectual substance.

It is the anti-intellectual Christian religious groups, that like to characterize the loss
of educational standards, as being caused by "intellectuals".

Note that there are Christians who fully embrace the goodness of the mind, AND
promote a historical curricula that is rigorous. These are "Christians Classical
Education" groups. And, their curricula and alternate competency tests are beginning
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There are many false standards for being "intellectual".
But those who are anti-intellectual, do not qualify for being competent to
determine academic standards.

I made no reference to true “intellectuals “ note I said “so called” intellectuals . I was responding to liberal speak that implies only the liberal point of view is “intellectual”. I am in no way “anti-intellectual “ . I just reject the false implication by some that anyone who does not adhere to the liberal point of view is somewhat lacking in intelligence.

 

[The Barbarian]

My child is 41. I am more concerned about our young children being exposed to sexual behavior not appropriate for young children.

You want to keep them from a certain caucus in Congress, then...

 

[The Barbarian]

It is not intellectuals, who have gutted the college curriculum of required courses.
It is political ideologies.

On the high school level, the dropping of high standards is not the result of intellectuals,
but of political and social worldviews that ignore serious intellectual substance.

It is the anti-intellectual Christian religious groups, that like to characterize the loss
of educational standards, as being caused by "intellectuals".

Note that there are Christians who fully embrace the goodness of the mind, AND
promote a historical curricula that is rigorous. These are "Christians Classical
Education" groups. And, their curricula and alternate competency tests are beginning
to be accepted for college entrance criteria, along with the ACT and SAT.

Today's winner.

 

[rturner76]

And public means public, not government....These ideologies are not the same ....The public should choose who they choose to keep things the same or change them, through their representative government. It seems some public choices scare you.

es, when public choices are to eliminate public school among other things.

Oh, if our kid goes out in public, all the public has a government ideology?

No but they will be exposed to things that you don't like.

Yes it is rediculous so why say it?

In your previous post, I got the impression that you think public schools teach nothing but how to be transgender. You can't teach that but you can teach the other subjects I talked about.

And this is "the educated" speaking? Sounds more like a conspiracy tirade.

Tell me this....When was America great? Segregation? That's the impression I get. Not that people approve of segregation (though many do) but that people need to get back in their place. By turning the clock back instead of forward, in the past, all we will find is racism, sexism, and homophobia along will a classist system. Why make progress when we can go back to how things were?

 

[ralliann]

es, when public choices are to eliminate public school among other things.

The public is not choosing to eliminate schools. They are choosing to get government control out of their schools.

but they will be exposed to things that you don't like.

This should not be a problem. The government has made these things a problem for the public......

 

[The Barbarian]

The public is not choosing to eliminate schools. They are choosing to get government control out of their schools.

Local school boards are elected by the citizens. They are the government in that instance.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

If Trump wins the only way he will get his priorities through is by purging the establishment beuracracy. He should do this if he wants to be politically effective because he will be hamstrung if he doesn't.

 

[ralliann]

Local school boards are elected by the citizens. They are the government in that instance.

As long as it is by the people, fine. Let the citizens decide their schools.

 

[The Barbarian]

As long as it is by the people, fine. Let the citizens decide their schools.

That's how government works in the United States. But republicans have a few ways of stopping that. Gerrymandering, voter fraud, etc.

 

[Postvieww]

You want to keep them from a certain caucus in Congress, then...

Is this a meme created by an intellectual? Just listing conservatives as a problem with no evidence (that you so dearly crave ) just re-enforces my view of liberalism.

 

[Postvieww]

That's how government works in the United States.

You mean that is how it is supposed to work.

But republicans have a few ways of stopping that. Gerrymandering, voter fraud, etc.

OH ! So its only Republicans who gerrymander and commit voter fraud?? So would you like to back that charge up with factual evidence?

 

[The Barbarian]

If Trump wins the only way he will get his priorities through is by purging the establishment beuracracy.

The Civil Service Act was enacted specifically to prevent criminals and tyrants from getting unlimited control of the government. Good luck on repealing that.