Southern Baptist adding Nicene Creed to Baptist Faith and Message

[FenderTL5]

It has been proposed that the Nicene Creed be added to the Baptist Faith and Message.
Do you have an opinion either way?

As a former Independent Baptist (I grew up there) turned Southern Baptist (30+ years before becoming Orthodox), Just curious.

[Quoting the article, sic]
Andrew Brown, Stephen Lorance, Steve McKinion and Malcolm Yarnell broke the news on X (formerly Twitter) May 29 with a teaser and a link to their proposed amendment to the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message.

Quite simply, they propose adding the full text of the Nicene Creed as Article XIX to the 2000 statement of faith.

In case you are not familiar with the Nicene Creed, it reads as follows:

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father. By him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he descended from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again, in accordance with the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again, in glory, to judge the living and the dead, and his Kingdom shall have no end.... (continues)

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

It has been proposed that the Nicene Creed be added to the Baptist Faith and Message.
Do you have an opinion either way?

As a former Independent Baptist (I grew up there) turned Southern Baptist (30+ years before becoming Orthodox), Just curious.

Andrew Brown, Stephen Lorance, Steve McKinion and Malcolm Yarnell broke the news on X (formerly Twitter) May 29 with a teaser and a link to their proposed amendment to the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message.

Quite simply, they propose adding the full text of the Nicene Creed as Article XIX to the 2000 statement of faith.

In case you are not familiar with the Nicene Creed, it reads as follows:

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father. By him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he descended from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again, in accordance with the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again, in glory, to judge the living and the dead, and his Kingdom shall have no end.

I think you left out one paragraph of the Nicene Creed:

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son], and who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified. He spoke through the Prophets. And in one holy universal and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins, and we look forward to the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.​

Perhaps there is time to ammend your post.

I would not include the Nicene Creed if I were voting. To me, it sounds too "Catholic". There is no biblical justification for

1. saying that Jesus was "begotten of the Father before all ages" because He was with God and was God in the beginning. "Begotten" refers to His incarnation in that He became a man,
2. saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and not the Son (parenthesis needed to clarify),
3. saying the Holy Spirit spoke through the prophets and leaving off His role as teacher and guide today,
4. promoting "one holy universal apostolic Church" (capital "C"), meaning the Catholic church, and
5. saying that baptism is needed for the forgiveness of sins.

But I don't have a vote.

 

[AlexB23]

It has been proposed that the Nicene Creed be added to the Baptist Faith and Message.
Do you have an opinion either way?

As a former Independent Baptist (I grew up there) turned Southern Baptist (30+ years before becoming Orthodox), Just curious.

Andrew Brown, Stephen Lorance, Steve McKinion and Malcolm Yarnell broke the news on X (formerly Twitter) May 29 with a teaser and a link to their proposed amendment to the 2000 Baptist Faith and Message.

Quite simply, they propose adding the full text of the Nicene Creed as Article XIX to the 2000 statement of faith.

In case you are not familiar with the Nicene Creed, it reads as follows:

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten not made, being of one substance with the Father. By him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he descended from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again, in accordance with the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again, in glory, to judge the living and the dead, and his Kingdom shall have no end.

I am a Catholic (since 2022, before that, Protestant), but believe the Church refers to all Christians who follow God's teachings (in other words, non-woke churches), so I hope that the Baptists use the Nicene creed.

 

[FenderTL5]

I think you left out one paragraph of the Nicene Creed:

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son], and who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified. He spoke through the Prophets. And in one holy universal and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins, and we look forward to the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.​

Perhaps there is time to ammend your post.

I would not include the Nicene Creed if I were voting. To me, it sounds too "Catholic". There is no biblical justification for

1. saying that Jesus was "begotten of the Father before all ages" because He was with God and was God in the beginning. "Begotten" refers to His incarnation in that He became a man,
2. saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and not the Son (parenthesis needed to clarify),
3. saying the Holy Spirit spoke through the prophets and leaving off His role as teacher and guide today,
4. promoting "one holy universal apostolic Church" (capital "C"), meaning the Catholic church, and
5. saying that baptism is needed for the forgiveness of sins.

But I don't have a vote.

Note added to my OP referencing the italics part as being the linked article quoted (I only quoted down to a full page advertisment as it appeared on my device).
Thank you for your post/comments. That's exactly the kind of information I'm curious about.

 

[AlexB23]

Guys, the only non-woke mainline churches in the US are basically Baptists (for now). UMC, Presbyterian, some Lutherans, some Anglicans and the UCC have gone into supporting strange movements over the past few years in the 2020s.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know what it is with the Southern Baptists, but they need to get their act together.

 

[AlexB23]

I don't know what it is with the Southern Baptists, but they need to get their act together.

Well, for a long time, the Southern Baptists were halfway decent (well, at least during the 20th century to recently). Nowadays, some are becoming LGBT affirming. I pray that these churches use discernment, and do not condone sins.

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/28/490631244/when-his-son-came-out-as-gay-this-pastor-delivered-a-sermon-of-support

 

[FenderTL5]

Well, for a long time, the Southern Baptists were halfway decent (well, at least during the 20th century to recently). Nowadays, some are becoming LGBT affirming. I pray that these churches use discernment, and do not condone sins.

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/28/490631244/when-his-son-came-out-as-gay-this-pastor-delivered-a-sermon-of-support

I posted on the Baptist congregational forum in good faith to hear their (particuarly Southern Baptists') thoughts, concerns, etc. pro and con about adding the Nicene Creed to the Baptist Faith and Message.
If you want to discuss wokeness, LGBT, or other off-topic issues, perhaps you can start your own thread.
Thank you.

 

[AlexB23]

I posted on the Baptist congregational forum in good faith to hear their (particuarly Southern Baptists') thoughts, concerns, etc. pro and con about adding the Nicene Creed to the Baptist Faith and Message.
If you want to discuss wokeness, LGBT, or other off-topic issues, perhaps you can start your own thread.
Thank you.

You are welcome. Sorry about that. Hopefully, we can here some Baptist opinion on here about the Nicene Creed. I'll step down, and see how the thread evolves.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hopefully, we can here some Baptist opinion on here about the Nicene Creed.

If you promise me I won't get moderated, I'll tell you who I think wrote it.

 

[BPPLEE]

You are welcome. Sorry about that. Hopefully, we can here some Baptist opinion on here about the Nicene Creed. I'll step down, and see how the thread evolves.

I pretty much agree with the creed and don’t see anything wrong with adding it.
I consider myself non-denominational but lean more towards Baptist than anything else

 

[FenderTL5]

Was/is the Creed in the responsive reading portion of the Baptist Hymnal? (I can't recall).
My wife's family were Methodists and I do recall it being in their hymnal.

 

[BPPLEE]

If you promise me I won't get moderated, I'll tell you who I think wrote it.

I’m interested in hearing this

 

[AV1611VET]

I’m interested in hearing this.

I think Satan wrote it.

(Or had it written.)

 

[FenderTL5]

I think Satan wrote it.

(Or had it written.)

LOL.
My mother (Independent Baptist) and my brother (non-Denom/Charismatic by way of the IBC) would probably agree with you.

 

[AV1611VET]

LOL.
My mother (Independent Baptist) and my brother (non-Denom/Charismatic by way of the IBC) would probably agree with you.

This is what gives it away:

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[BPPLEE]

This is what gives it away:

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

Interesting

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting

We consider baptism an ordinance, not a sacrament.

 

[JustaPewFiller]

I've been going to SBC affiliated churches for roughly 5 years now.

But, I admit this is really only the 2nd year that I've kept up with any of the goings on at the SBC convention. Likewise, I'll admit that may make my thoughts somewhat unqualified compared to other. However, I'll give my answer as a layman and hopefully not insert my foot too far down my throat.

My first question would be, "Why?". I know that their are various articles out there delving into the "Why" of it. There are articles delving into the "why's", and the cases for and against of all the various amendments from every imaginable standpoint.

My question of "Why?" boils down to this..

Of the SBC churches I've attended, none of them had confusion about the SBC Faith and Message or what they believed.

They were all happily "in friendly cooperation" with the SBC and the SBC was happy with them to the best of my knowledge. Maybe my experinece is too limited, but, I'm not seeing the need for it unless I'm just missing something.

 

[AlexB23]

If you promise me I won't get moderated, I'll tell you who I think wrote it.

You can PM me, to explain your views, as mods might not understand the full conversation.