Systemic racism in the USA: Are whites "guiltier" if they had slavery in their past?

[rturner76]

On average.

No the real problem is I understand what "on average" means. It means there's a significant number of white men in that study who had longer sentences than the black men.

Perhaps but it's not the average, it's the anomaly.

No....it just shows the disparity.

They do get into why the disparity exists and back it up with facts.

I can show you posts where I've admitted I was wrong.

This is you attacking the character of other posters because you struggle to make good arguments.

Perhaps but I don't think you can show that you've done that in response to any of my posts. It wasn't an attack at all. I sympathize because it is very difficult to admit we are wrong. That's true with most people. I wasn't singling you out.

That's not necessarily a feature of the law. As the graph I showed you proves....black people commit more murder than any other race in the US.

That's a disparity.

Does that mean there's something unfair with the law against murder?

I didn't say the laws on the books are unfair, just the system that enforces them. You have no way of proving that blacks commit more crimes, only that they get caught more often and receive unequal treatment when they do.

 

[rturner76]

All of those were 1000% percent worse for my grandparents' and parents' generation, yet they were doing better in the statistics that depend on personal integrity and social morals.

As I'm sure you also know when we were separated by race, black businesses were in black neighborhoods. As the civil rights laws began to affect America, other races took over these businesses and outspent the black community. As the white flight takes place, what is left is affordable housing in oftentimes badly maintained slumlord neighborhoods leaving mostly poor black families in black-dominated neighborhoods. It's not just a black issue but a poverty issue. Poverty also affects whites in great numbers however they are able to move to more affluent areas and not cause all of the money to leave that srea.

 

[RDKirk]

As I'm sure you also know when we were separated by race, black businesses were in black neighborhoods. As the civil rights laws began to affect America, other races took over these businesses and outspent the black community. As the white flight takes place, what is left is affordable housing in oftentimes badly maintained slumlord neighborhoods leaving mostly poor black families in black-dominated neighborhoods. It's not just a black issue but a poverty issue. Poverty also affects whites in great numbers however they are able to move to more affluent areas and not cause all of the money to leave that srea.

As it turns out, here is where you can point to racism at high levels.

A lot of laws were passed in 1964-1965. One of them was the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Up until then, immigration to the US was easily available only to European immigrants. The new 1965 law essentially opened the floodgates to immigrants from the middle and far east. It took a while for banking to react to the Civil Rights Act for black people (actually, it took two additional laws over the course of the next decade). But banks were quick to provide loans to the new middle and far eastern immigrants...as long as they didn't place their businesses in white areas. Lots of NIMBY going on. In effect, Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants were weaponized against blacks in black neighborhoods during the latter 60s and early 70s.

On top of that, as a matter of cultural difference, Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants were prepared to fund each other in ways American culture could not anticipate or emulate.

 

[rturner76]

On top of that, as a matter of cultural difference, Asian and Middle Eastern immigrants were prepared to fund each other in ways American culture could not anticipate or emulate.

Most immigrant communities are closed off. They only hire friends and family and they have very tight-knit communities. I believe what you are saying because, in my city, all of the corner stores are owned by Middle Eastern families with no exceptions. In an 80% (approximately) population of blacks, the only black-owned businesses are barber and beauty shops with one or two restaurants who sell either fried food or BBQ. It really feels like a conspiracy but it's hard to prove on paper. Still, something doesn't seem Kosher about how blacks can't get business licenses in their own community and the Arab stores hire not even one person from the local community, black, white native, Mexican, or whatever. I know the government can't dictate who you hire for your business but they could try to give something back to the community that is making them money I think.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Perhaps but it's not the average, it's the anomaly.

It's not an anomaly....it happens a large number of times whenever they aggregate those averages.

Any judge is going to have hundreds of whites they gave longer sentences than blacks. The only reason those averages exist is because slightly more blacks get longer sentences than whites.

That's the basis of your whole notion of racism. A slightly larger number of blacks getting longer sentences than whites. It's not as if every black person gets a longer sentence....often it's the white person....but a slightly larger number of blacks.

I can't imagine how that equates to racism in your mind. Is the judge supposed to keep a running score for every race? Sorry Mr Johnson....normally someone under your circumstances would get three months, but I don't want anyone thinking I'm racist so you're getting a year.

Is that really how you look at the world?

They do get into why the disparity exists and back it up with facts.

They back it up with assumptions. At no point are they proving racial biases with evidence.

I didn't say the laws on the books are unfair, just the system that enforces them. You have no way of proving that blacks commit more crimes, only that they get caught more often and receive unequal treatment when they do.

I have to go off the same statistics that you're using to try and prove racism....and they prove blacks commit more crimes.

 

[RDKirk]

Most immigrant communities are closed off. They only hire friends and family and they have very tight-knit communities. I believe what you are saying because, in my city, all of the corner stores are owned by Middle Eastern families with no exceptions. In an 80% (approximately) population of blacks, the only black-owned businesses are barber and beauty shops with one or two restaurants who sell either fried food or BBQ. It really feels like a conspiracy but it's hard to prove on paper. Still, something doesn't seem Kosher about how blacks can't get business licenses in their own community and the Arab stores hire not even one person from the local community, black, white native, Mexican, or whatever. I know the government can't dictate who you hire for your business but they could try to give something back to the community that is making them money I think.

Laws and policies weave with culture.

I don't blame them at all for hiring relatives if they have relatives willing to do the work. That's how a small business can get ahead.

A cultural issue here is that hiring relatives means they pay much less money for wages and all the additional taxes and costs incurred by hiring unrelated employees. Working for relatives is something natural-born Americans won't do these days. Natural-born Americans won't even continue in the family business.

 

[rturner76]

Any judge is going to have hundreds of whites they gave longer sentences than blacks.

Just not on average. On average, everything being equal, blacks receive harsher treatment. THere are always exceptions that prove the rule.

That's the basis of your whole notion of racism. A slightly larger number of blacks getting longer sentences than whites. It's not as if every black person gets a longer sentence....often it's the white person....but a slightly larger number of blacks.

Not just my notion but the notion of the United States Sentencing Commission. On average, blacks receive 19.1% longer sentences compared to similarly situated whites. Please keep trying to justify this. It's cracking me up.

I can't imagine how that equates to racism in your mind. Is the judge supposed to keep a running score for every race?

Not just my mind but in the mind of the Federal government.

Is that really how you look at the world?

I look at the world through the lens of reality backed up by facts. You try to interpret facts your own way or you deny them outright so you should really be questioning your own motivation, not mine. Why is it so far-fetched that a nation that was built on racism and used racism for hundreds of years would continue a level of racism in the same system one generation later? My parents lived under Jim Crow, not my great great five times over my grandparents. Do you really think racism can be eradicated out of an entire system of racism on one generation? Is that how you look at the world? Danying it exists amounts to active participation in it.

They back it up with assumptions. At no point are they proving racial biases with evidence.

They pretty much did through statistical data that proves that when it comes to similarly situated blacks and whites in the justice system blacks receive on average 19% more prison/jail time. How much more plain can it be stated?

I have to go off the same statistics that you're using to try and prove racism....and they prove blacks commit more crimes.

Do they? Or do they prove blacks get caught more often? Blacks who are situated in high-density areas are easy pickings. Suburban America is under much much less scrutiny. Addiction rates for all races is approximately the same. It stands to reason that a much higher white population with the same percentage of addicts would have a higher number in total of drug users and sellers. They just don't get pulled over for random searches or stopped and frisked. Search the lockers of a suburban high school and you will see just as many drugs. The stats have no way to determine who is committing crimes besides who is getting caught. The fact that it's easier to get away with it in white communities has to be taken into account.

 

[rturner76]

A cultural issue here is that hiring relatives means they pay much less money for wages and all the additional taxes and costs incurred by hiring unrelated employees. Working for relatives is something natural-born Americans won't do these days. Natural-born Americans won't even continue in the family business.

I know that, I get that and I don't blame them either. It just can cause static between the store owners and the communities in which they are located. It also doesn't help when they have condescending attitudes and are not even polite on basic level (not all of the of course but I have often been treated like a pest when I'm putting money in their till and it bugs me).

 

[Ana the Ist]

Just not on average. On average, everything being equal, blacks receive harsher treatment.

On average....

If we take 5000 cases...and 3000 of them have blacks receiving a longer sentence, and 2000 of them have whites receiving a longer sentence....then on average you'll see blacks having a longer sentence.

That doesn't make those 2000 cases the exception.

exception

1. someone or something that is not included in a rule, group, or list or that…

dictionary.cambridge.org

They're as normal as the other 3000 cases. The only exceptions will be those handful of cases on the tail ends of either distribution.

Not just my notion but the notion of the United States Sentencing Commission. On average, blacks receive 19.1% longer sentences compared to similarly situated whites. Please keep trying to justify this. It's cracking me up.

I don't have to justify it. You haven't shown that racial bias is a significant factor.

Not just my mind but in the mind of the Federal government.

As someone who works for the federal government I can say for certain that's utter nonsense. We know what lies get told to you for political reasons.

I look at the world through the lens of reality backed up by facts.

Yet you're denying black people commit more crimes on average.

Why is it so far-fetched that a nation that was built on racism

Built on racism?

and used racism for hundreds of years would continue a level of racism in the same system one generation later?

I'm not claiming that racism doesn't exist...

My parents lived under Jim Crow, not my great great five times over my grandparents.

Ok.

Do you really think racism can be eradicated out of an entire system of racism on one generation?

Is that your argument now?

Before your claim was that the entire justice system was racist against blacks. Now what's your claim? Everyone is racist?

Danying it exists amounts to active participation in it.

That's nonsense.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm participating in racism. There's plenty of other options. For example...

1. I'm disagreeing with you because you're wrong.
2. You're right, but your arguments are so poorly formed that they appear to be wrong.
3. You're wrong because you've bought into a steady diet of propaganda that appeals to you emotionally and you're not very good with statistics.
4. You're right, but it's just a matter of coincidence and not for any of the reasons you've presented.

They pretty much did through statistical data that proves that when it comes to similarly situated blacks and whites in the justice system blacks receive on average 19% more prison/jail time. How much more plain can it be stated?

Is the disparity the result of racism....or is it the evidence of racism?

It appears that you want it to be both...and that's not how statistics work.

If it's the result of racism....you'll need to provide some evidence for the racism that isn't the disparity. Otherwise, the disparity could be caused by something other than racism....this is just basic logic.

If it's evidence of racism....then we'll return to my question about the murder rate amongst blacks and I'll ask if blacks are the most racist group against blacks since they kill more black people on any given year than all the lynchings of blacks combined?

Do they? Or do they prove blacks get caught more often?

You're going to hate this....blacks actually get caught less often than any other race. If we were to factor in unsolved murders and run with the statistics showing blacks are murdered by blacks 98% of the time....the murder rate of blacks would be even higher.

Blacks who are situated in high-density areas are easy pickings.

Here's something that's never captured in your studies....demeanor of the defendant. Maybe you think it's wrong and someone who appears remorseless and curses out the judge should receive the same sentence as someone who appears genuinely sorry for what they've done.....but in our court system, it matters.

We have a very good example of this from the recent news.

Ohio suspect accused of killing toddler outside Giant Eagle smirks in court as dad looks on

Bionca Ellis, the suspect accused of fatally stabbing Julian Wood outside of a Giant Eagle grocery store in North Olmsted, Ohio, appeared to smile and smirk in court.

www.google.com

Now, maybe this black woman who murdered a 3yo white boy in a grocery store parking lot before trying to murder his mother as well is mentally ill....or perhaps she's a vicious racist....who knows?

What I can tell you is her behavior in court will likely result in her receiving an extremely long sentence. If the average is life with possibility of parole after 40 years (and I don't know what the average is for this type of crime) then she's probably going to get life without parole because of her demeanor.

 

[rturner76]

On average....

If we take 5000 cases...and 3000 of them have blacks receiving a longer sentence, and 2000 of them have whites receiving a longer sentence....then on average you'll see blacks having a longer sentence.

That doesn't make those 2000 cases the exception.

Where did your statistics come from aside from your own mind?

They're as normal as the other 3000 cases. The only exceptions will be those handful of cases on the tail ends of either distribution.

Again, you are going off statistics you made up to support you argument that systemic racism is appropriate. try using proven statistics.

I don't have to justify it. You haven't shown that racial bias is a significant factor.

I've shown it over and over, it's you who can't see past what is already in your mind and look at the evidence presented.

As someone who works for the federal government I can say for certain that's utter nonsense. We know what lies get told to you for political reasons.

Why lies get told to you by your bosses? If you are a Fed who agrees with the systemic way in which blacks are treated in a different way than whites you are surely part of the problem. As a Fed, you should be aware of what the Federal government does differently to blacks. The fact that you can't means you support the systemic racism that exists on all levels of government.

Yet you're denying black people commit more crimes on average

I'm not really denying it. I am truthfully saying you can't prove it, you can only prove what blacks get arrested for. How many black project dealers fly in 747s full of cocaine or heroin? Not very many is any. It;s the people with access to high government officials that can get the CIA to protect their drug shipments and bribe high level customs officials to look the other way, not the kid on the corner selling dime bags.

Built on racism?

Well, slavery and Jim Crow. The civil rights law is new and I'm sure you're not naieve enough to believe that once a law gets passed the crimes that are made illegal just stop. Has it worked for prostitution? Has it worked for drugs, fraud, embezzlement or any number of crimes?

I'm not claiming that racism doesn't exist...

Yes you are.

Ok.

Ok? Then you know Jim Crow isn't ancient history, people are still around who supported and protested open racism and so are their children. To think this has nad zero effect on today's society is either wanted ignorance or complete denial. Which one are you supporting? Wanton ignorance or denial. My vote is for denial. Denial of anything that doesn't jibe with your personal opinion.

Is that your argument now?

Before your claim was that the entire justice system was racist against blacks. Now what's your claim? Everyone is racist?

My claim has always been that the system we live under is racist. It is easiest to prove it in the justice system but it goes on all over. Not that most people are overtly racist and wish to hold others back but people are more likely to trust people who look like them and/or grew up like them, talk like them and have a similar background.

Name Discrimination Study Finds Lakisha And Jamal Still Less Likely To Get Hired Than Emily And Greg

Economists sent 83,000 job applications to 108 companies. Applicants with Black names were called back 10% fewer times across the board.

www.wbur.org

Viewpoint: How a Person's Name Can Prompt Hiring Discrimination

Following up on an experiment from 2004, two economists have found that study participants systematically discriminated against job candidates with names they associated with Black people, especially when put under time pressure. White people who oppose a

www.shrm.org

New Research Reveals Resumes With Black Names Experience Bias In The Hiring Process

A new study revealed that job applicants with Black names receive fewer callbacks than white applicants. This article explores the research and provides guidance for employers.

www.forbes.com

Employers Discriminate against Job Applicants with Black-Sounding Names, Study Indicates

www.bowdoin.edu

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

www.nber.org

https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/study-confirms-english-sounding-names-get-more-call-backs-from-job-applications-than-ethnic-names

Study Suggests Bias Against 'Black' Names On Resumes

Employers may be selecting or overlooking prospective job candidates for interviews based on their potential race as suggested by names, according to a recent study by two professors from the...

www.shrm.org

All of these (and hundreds of others) show that just having a black sounding name lowers one's chances of getting a callback on a presented resume' That's just the tip of the iceberg.

That's nonsense.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm participating in racism. There's plenty of other options. For example...

You don't just disagree with me, you disagree with the data provided by your neutral could never be biased Federal non-partisan reports.

1. I'm disagreeing with you because you're wrong.

You are disagreeing with me because you feel I am blaming you specifically of approving of systemic racism. It's not just you, it's the culture of white America. Not only do you disagree with me, you disagree with the Federal government, the US justice system, and most universities.

2. You're right, but your arguments are so poorly formed that they appear to be wrong.

Well, don't look at my argument, look at the argument from the Fed or your local university.

3. You're wrong because you've bought into a steady diet of propaganda that appeals to you emotionally and you're not very good with statistics.

And your view that has been proven wrong many times from many sources doesn't agree with your preconceived notions. Don't argue with me about how I interpret statistics, argue with your own Federal government.

4. You're right, but it's just a matter of coincidence and not for any of the reasons you've presented

It's not me that's right, it's the Fed, and many other non-profits and universities. It's pretty much you against the rest of the world.

It appears that you want it to be both...and that's not how statistics work.

And you know how statistics work better than the Federal government. You must think pretty highly of your intellect.

If it's the result of racism....you'll need to provide some evidence for the racism that isn't the disparity. Otherwise, the disparity could be caused by something other than racism....this is just basic logic.

If it's evidence of racism....then we'll return to my question about the murder rate amongst blacks and I'll ask if blacks are the most racist group against blacks since they kill more black people on any given year than all the lynchings of blacks combined?

Before you said crime rate, now you are saying murder rate. We haven't discussed that yet but it would be obvious why there is a higher murder rate if you also looked at the white community who fills the black community with guns and drugs creating competition. Then you can sit back and count the bodies. It's all part of the plan to cripple the black man.

You're going to hate this....blacks actually get caught less often than any other race

How does that work when we've seen that blacks get arrested disproportionately?

Here's something that's never captured in your studies....demeanor of the defendant.

Similar situation. Now are you saying the average black done not know how to behave in court but white criminals do? Pretty typical stereotyping being that you've shown no statistics that reflect that opinion not fact.

Now, maybe this black woman who murdered a 3yo white boy in a grocery store parking lot before trying to murder his mother as well is mentally ill....or perhaps she's a vicious racist....who knows?

Okay, you got one. How about the other thousands and thousands of blacks that are treated more harshly by the courts? Does this one case negate the thousands of other cases that were sentenced to 19% more time than whites under similar circumstances? I've noticed that you like to hold up one case against the thousands that prove you wrong. It would help if you worked on the cherry-picking, it doesn't prove anything on the whole. It proves that it happened one time. Maybe you could find five or even ten news stories, still doesn't touch the massive amounts of blacks who are treated more harshly than whites.

What I can tell you is her behavior in court will likely result in her receiving an extremely long sentence. If the average is life with possibility of parole after 40 years (and I don't know what the average is for this type of crime) then she's probably going to get life without parole because of her demeanor.

Does this go back to your personal opinion that blacks don't know how to act in court and whites are perfect angels in court? I'd like to see that in the statistics you post but you don't post any, just news stories about individuals. I'm not talking about individual racism, I'm talking about systemic racism and the fact that you are a Fed of some kind that doesn't understand or can't comprehend the basics on systemic racism makes you a dangerous person who will be more likely to perpetuate this flawed system.

 

[rjs330]

Not just my mind but in the mind of the Federal government.

The federal government didn't call it racism either. In fact the Federal Government told you not to do that. I quoted the report for you. Why do you keep insisting to call it racist when the some report tells you that you can't interpret it as that.

 

[rjs330]

I don't have to justify it. You haven't shown that racial bias is a significant factor.

His own report told him that.

 

[rjs330]

You're going to hate this....blacks actually get caught less often than any other race. If we were to factor in unsolved murders and run with the statistics showing blacks are murdered by blacks 98% of the time....the murder rate of blacks would be even higher.

But that's racist too. Because cops aren't trying to solve those murders because the victims are black. That's just evidence of more systemic racism.

 

[Ana the Ist]

But that's racist too. Because cops aren't trying to solve those murders because the victims are black. That's just evidence of more systemic racism.

Lol good one.

I think it's got something to do with willingness to cooperate with police and gang violence. A young black man gets killed by a rival gang and people are reluctant to talk because there can be real consequences for them from the gang.

In some places I think the black murder conviction rate is as low as 60% (I wanted to say 40%, but I think I'm getting it backwards, it's been awhile since I looked it up). Which creates this weird sort of mental gymnastics that has to be done where this "racist justice system" is convicting over 90% of white murderers but your chances of getting away with murder if you're black are 4 times higher.

Btw...it's really weird to be talking about this in a time when people are openly racist towards white people and it's barely ever mentioned unless it's someone famous. You had controversy over naming Luka mvp in the NBA and the people arguing against it flat out saying (sometimes) that he shouldn't get it because he's white. You have a white, hetero, female making headlines in the WNBA and actually getting people to watch the game and she's being treated like trash and talked down to because she's white (and probably because she's not a lesbian).

I don't want to fish up the same study for the 5th or 6th time on this forum but they've actually asked hiring managers....anonymously....if they have ever...

1. Been told not to hire white candidates.
2. Passed on hiring job applicants because they're white.

And the numbers were something like 1 in 6 admitting to this open racial hiring discrimination against white people (men particularly). I can recall just a few years ago when everyone argued that we couldn't just ask people who do the hiring at major corporations and companies if they were racist because they would never admit to it.....which apparently is 100% wrong. We've been going off these goofy studies that show black people have to send out a couple more resumes on average to get a call back from employers....which is nowhere near as bad as a study showing that you flat out will not be hired in 1 of 6 places if you're white. You may get the call back for the interview, but it's just for appearances, you're not even going to be considered.

 

[Ana the Ist]

His own report told him that.

Most of those reports showing racial disparities typical emphasize in the conclusion that they cannot capture every single factor that legitimately goes into sentencing and the disparities shouldn't be considered proof of racial bias.

Without looking at the post, or the study in which he brought it up, I'm going to guess that his response when you pointed this out was....and I'm paraphrasing...

They have to put that in there to keep everyone from getting in trouble.

Or something very similar. Am I right?

 

[RDKirk]

Btw...it's really weird to be talking about this in a time when people are openly racist towards white people and it's barely ever mentioned unless it's someone famous. You had controversy over naming Luka mvp in the NBA and the people arguing against it flat out saying (sometimes) that he shouldn't get it because he's white. You have a white, hetero, female making headlines in the WNBA and actually getting people to watch the game and she's being treated like trash and talked down to because she's white (and probably because she's not a lesbian).

I don't want to fish up the same study for the 5th or 6th time on this forum but they've actually asked hiring managers....anonymously....if they have ever...

1. Been told not to hire white candidates.
2. Passed on hiring job applicants because they're white.

And the numbers were something like 1 in 6 admitting to this open racial hiring discrimination against white people (men particularly). I can recall just a few years ago when everyone argued that we couldn't just ask people who do the hiring at major corporations and companies if they were racist because they would never admit to it.....which apparently is 100% wrong. We've been going off these goofy studies that show black people have to send out a couple more resumes on average to get a call back from employers....which is nowhere near as bad as a study showing that you flat out will not be hired in 1 of 6 places if you're white. You may get the call back for the interview, but it's just for appearances, you're not even going to be considered.

This is where Critical Theory shows that it has flowered from the universities and taken hold in industry, government, and media. This is precisely what each version of Critical Theory requires against the "Oppressor."

Mao's Cultural Revolution operated the same way. Nothing you can do against the Oppressor is bad.

 

[rjs330]

Without looking at the post, or the study in which he brought it up, I'm going to guess that his response when you pointed this out was....and I'm paraphrasing...

They have to put that in there to keep everyone from getting in trouble.

Or something very similar. Am I right?

He ignored it completely.

 

[rturner76]

The federal government didn't call it racism either. In fact the Federal Government told you not to do that. I quoted the report for you. Why do you keep insisting to call it racist when the some report tells you that you can't interpret it as that.

Because they proved the disparity and chalked it up to systemic racism. Why do you keep denying the obvious?

 

[Ana the Ist]

This is where Critical Theory shows that it has flowered from the universities and taken hold in industry, government, and media. This is precisely what each version of Critical Theory requires against the "Oppressor."

Mao's Cultural Revolution operated the same way. Nothing you can do against the Oppressor is bad.

Things I used to say on this forum 5 years ago @RDKirk that used to get me laughed at or outright dismissed lol.

I'm not really worried about CRT because it's already showing it's cracks. I think Gramcsi didn't understand that you quite literally cannot implement communism without a revolution. You can try to start it at the level of cultural production....but it has to enter the realm of policy at some point, and at that point, it fails in real time. Quite literally.

The most obvious example is the border crisis imo. You had the far left, and even the moderate left, calling anyone who wanted to address the issue seriously a white supremacist, a racist, bigot, xenophobic, etc. You had cities like NY, and Chicago ensuring that they were going to be sanctuary cities and in NY ensuring that illegal immigrants had a right to shelter. Easy promises when the problem is far away. When Joe got elected, and quite literally told these people to enter the country, they got bussed from the border to NY and Chicago and reality hit them like a ton of bricks. Policies failed in real time....by which I mean the moment those policies were tested by the very people they were expected to help....they failed. NY mayor Adams literally said the border crisis will destroy NYC. He didn't run as a white supremacist, bigot, xenophobe....he's simply facing reality.

I'm not so worried about CRT because the shallow idealistic nature if it ideologically will die in the sunlight of reality....it only seems to work as a thought experiment in the classroom of "academia".

I simply find it hypocritical that people complaining of "systemic racism" are also those in favor of racial hiring quotas....but I'm not overly concerned about those either....they won't work.

 

[rjs330]

Because they proved the disparity and chalked it up to systemic racism. Why do you keep denying the obvious?

No they noted statistics. YOU chalked it up to systemic racism. They told you not to, but you did it anyway.