SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[rjs330]

Actually, you are way off here. Where do you get prescription drugs prescribed? What? A doctor? How id gender dysphoria diagnosed? By the DSM-% diagnosis criteria which is a guide for mental disorders. We've been over all of this before. Is it that you forget or don't pay attention?

And no therapy is required. You continually talk of therapy but there isn't any required.

They are. Again the DSM-% has the criteria and the DSM=5 only diagnoses mental disorders. Again, we've gone over this.

No they aren't. We've been over this. No therapy is required.

Here ya go.......

I know what is. Always did. I wanted ro know if you knew. Now let's break this down..

6 months rhat all it takes and you only need only 2 of so called symptoms. Let's see how rhat goes.

Doc.. Tommy would would really like to be a girl?
Tommy: yes Doc.
Doc.. How bad?
Tommy.. Real bad doc, I would feel so much better if I were.
Doc.. #E check
Doc.. why do you think you would feel better as a girl?
Tommy: Cause I cry a lot and like to clean house.
Doc.. check #F
Doc.. How long has this been going on?
Tommy..6 months
Doc.. Okay well you meet rhe criteria Tommy. Here's your puberty blockers and in a few weeks we'll.fet you started on your hormones.

That's literally all it takes. At most it might take a full 45 minutes meeting usually no more than 20-30 minutes to get a child on harmful, permanent body altering chemicals. There is NO therapy involved. Affirmative Care requires NO therapy. How many times does that have to be explained. 20-40 minutes tops and you are on your way.

Are you aware that in Europe they require 5 years of history of ongoing incongruence before even considering drugs?

You know the DSM was altered due to the influences not from the psychologists but from the activists?
Where was absolutely NOTHING new discovered.

I seriously was hoping g you would take a hard look at the DSM and see the ridiculousness of the so called guide. The 6 month portion should have been enough for you. You actually think 6 months is long enough to put a child on mother medicalization that will effect the rest of their lives?

It is, unless you want to skip treatment and go under the knife with a plastic surgeon and pay cash.

No it's not a requirement. You can immediately begin the drug treatments with no therapy.

It's been implied in that you question whether it's a medical or psychologicalcondition

See, you accused me of saying something I didn't say. It is a psychological condition. It's in the DSM. Children ought to be treated with therapy and not with chemicals rhat alter their physical bodies rhat have very dangerous conditions. Especially with the facts that if you don't medicalize they will stop this at a rate as high as 90%. Medicalizing kids makes them transition at about a 100% rate. That means you are actually creating trans kids and not treating the disorder and allowing them to desist.

Planned Parenthood Prescribing Sex Change Hormones After 30 Minutes of Consultation | TIMCAST

Puberty blockers were given to almost all children sent for assessment by Tavistock clinic

Critics of the medication say they effectively ‘lock in’ children on the path to becoming transgender

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Puberty blockers: Under-16s 'unlikely to be able to give informed consent'

Children younger than 16 are unlikely to be able to give informed consent, three judges rule.

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[RileyG]

And no therapy is required. You continually talk of therapy but there isn't any required.
No they aren't. We've been over this. No therapy is required.
I know what is. Always did. I wanted ro know if you knew. Now let's break this down..

6 months rhat all it takes and you only need only 2 of so called symptoms. Let's see how rhat goes.

Doc.. Tommy would would really like to be a girl?
Tommy: yes Doc.
Doc.. How bad?
Tommy.. Real bad doc, I would feel so much better if I were.
Doc.. #E check
Doc.. why do you think you would feel better as a girl?
Tommy: Cause I cry a lot and like to clean house.
Doc.. check #F
Doc.. How long has this been going on?
Tommy..6 months
Doc.. Okay well you meet rhe criteria Tommy. Here's your puberty blockers and in a few weeks we'll.fet you started on your hormones.

That's literally all it takes. At most it might take a full 45 minutes meeting usually no more than 20-30 minutes to get a child on harmful, permanent body altering chemicals. There is NO therapy involved. Affirmative Care requires NO therapy. How many times does that have to be explained. 20-40 minutes tops and you are on your way.

Are you aware that in Europe they require 5 years of history of ongoing incongruence before even considering drugs?

You know the DSM was altered due to the influences not from the psychologists but from the activists?
Where was absolutely NOTHING new discovered.

I seriously was hoping g you would take a hard look at the DSM and see the ridiculousness of the so called guide. The 6 month portion should have been enough for you. You actually think 6 months is long enough to put a child on mother medicalization that will effect the rest of their lives?
No it's not a requirement. You can immediately begin the drug treatments with no therapy.

See, you accused me of saying something I didn't say. It is a psychological condition. It's in the DSM. Children ought to be treated with therapy and not with chemicals rhat alter their physical bodies rhat have very dangerous conditions. Especially with the facts that if you don't medicalize they will stop this at a rate as high as 90%. Medicalizing kids makes them transition at about a 100% rate. That means you are actually creating trans kids and not treating the disorder and allowing them to desist.

Ah, yes. Homosexuality was removed as a list of mental disorders from the DSM in the 1973, because homosexual activists demanded it, but that’s a whole different can of worms.

 

[KCfromNC]

You mean Christian’s or other religious groups? A religion is something someone practices.

People don't self-identify as religious? Interesting claim. Seems like yet another one which doesn't line up with reality.

Screaming trans people are being targeted or they really are the opposite gender is also propaganda not based in reality.

Really? The bill described in the OP specifically targets health care options used only by trans people.

 

[KCfromNC]

If you want to call a biological male a woman because he says he self-identifies as one, that’s totally fine.

I, however, will not.

So, getting back to my question, is that also showing contempt for them as it was in the post I referenced, or is that particular instance of a self-identification not lining up with some random scientific trivia different somehow?

 

[KCfromNC]

I think I understand. You want to compare Christanity with Transgenderism. A religion with a mental health disorder. Now I asked someone the question, maybe you, if you are thinking transgenderism.isnt a mental health disorder but a religion instead. Is that what you are trying to say?

It's pretty clear what I'm trying to say.

There was a post claiming that it was OK to not "validate the delusion" of people whose self identification isn't based on facts or logic. I'm just exploring if that argument was sincere and should be applied universally or if it was yet another example of an post hoc rationalization made up to justify a pre-existing aversion to accepting the validity of trans people's feelings.

 

[KCfromNC]

No there isn't, unless you are claiming both are religious in nature.

Two things don't have to be identical for there to be parallels between them.

But I can see why a post would hope to make an impossibly strict standard to make the analogy go away instead of just addressing it.

 

[RileyG]

So, getting back to my question, is that also showing contempt for them as it was in the post I referenced, or is that particular instance of a self-identification not lining up with some random scientific trivia different somehow?

How is it showing contempt for them if they refuse to accept what they truly are? Depends who you ask.

 

[RileyG]

People don't self-identify as religious? Interesting claim. Seems like yet another one which doesn't line up with reality.


Really? The bill described in the OP specifically targets health care options used only by trans people.

#1. Yes

#2. So? Plenty of Democrats, Gays, and Lesbians don’t accept the trans agenda.

 

[BCP1928]

#1. Yes

#2. So? Plenty of Democrats, Gays, and Lesbians don’t accept the trans agenda.

It depends on what you mean by the "trans agenda." Certainly many agree with you that pharmaceutical or surgical interventions are unsuitable for children. I do, myself. But somehow I don't think that's what you mean..

 

[RileyG]

It depends on what you mean by the "trans agenda." Certainly many agree with you that pharmaceutical or surgical interventions are unsuitable for children. I do, myself. But somehow I don't think that's what you mean..

You know what I meant some just don’t accept it.

 

[BCP1928]

You know what I meant some just don’t accept it.

No, you've always been pretty coy about it. I haven't seen a fact-based explanation of it from anybody.

 

[rturner76]

And no therapy is required. You continually talk of therapy but there isn't any required.

What is it called when you are given a regimen of prescription drugs.....therapy. How is gender dysphoria diagnosed? By an evaluation from a psychologist or psychiatrist. A gender dysphoria specialist can also diagnose this. Not your family doctor.

No they aren't. We've been over this. No therapy is required.

I beg to differ unless you want to pay cash for a gender reassignment surgery.

I know what is. Always did. I wanted ro know if you knew. Now let's break this down..

6 months rhat all it takes and you only need only 2 of so called symptoms. Let's see how rhat goes.

Doc.. Tommy would would really like to be a girl?
Tommy: yes Doc.
Doc.. How bad?
Tommy.. Real bad doc, I would feel so much better if I were.
Doc.. #E check
Doc.. why do you think you would feel better as a girl?
Tommy: Cause I cry a lot and like to clean house.
Doc.. check #F
Doc.. How long has this been going on?
Tommy..6 months
Doc.. Okay well you meet rhe criteria Tommy. Here's your puberty blockers and in a few weeks we'll.fet you started on your hormones.

Are these from your notes as a physician? You're not a doctor, don't pretend to be one. You have no idea what is being talked about between a patient and their doctor.

No it's not a requirement. You can immediately begin the drug treatments with no therapy.

Maybe if you are paying cash. Not if you want insurance to pay for it in most cases. You seem to think it's all one way but every individual get's their own diagnosis and treatment plan. As convenient as it is to group all of a particular class of people one way, we are actually individuals with individual needs.

See, you accused me of saying something I didn't say. It is a psychological condition. It's in the DSM. Children ought to be treated with therapy and not with chemicals rhat alter their physical bodies rhat have very dangerous conditions.

You are not a doctor so you have no idea what children should or shouldn't be treated with. You are not relying on medical or psychological doctors for your information, just your own opinion and morals.

 

[RileyG]

No, you've always been pretty coy about it. I haven't seen a fact-based explanation of it from anybody.

The organization gays against groomers for one.

But I feel like this thread has runs it’s course.

Take care

 

[BCP1928]

The organization gays against groomers for one.

But I feel like this thread has runs it’s course.

Take care

I said fact-based, anyway.

 

[rjs330]

It's pretty clear what I'm trying to say.

There was a post claiming that it was OK to not "validate the delusion" of people whose self identification isn't based on facts or logic. I'm just exploring if that argument was sincere and should be applied universally or if it was yet another example of an post hoc rationalization made up to justify a pre-existing aversion to accepting the validity of trans people's feelings.

I'm trying to think where we validate the delusion of anyone as a society who self identifies as something they are not, besides transgendered people. And enforce that validation through kaw and policy. I think they are the only ones.

 

[BCP1928]

I'm trying to think where we validate the delusion of anyone as a society who self identifies as something they are not, besides transgendered people. And enforce that validation through kaw and policy. I think they are the only ones.

I can think of another, which has already been mentioned.

 

[rjs330]

Two things don't have to be identical for there to be parallels between them.

But I can see why a post would hope to make an impossibly strict standard to make the analogy go away instead of just addressing it.

If you are talking about religion and transgenderism, then you must be considering the faith based aspects. Christians have forever pointed to the world around us and nature and said nature itself is evidence there is a God. But it has been always rejected as not evidence. Transgenderism points to nature, thier own, as evidence they are the opposite sex and you accept that as evidence they are. Why? Cause they told you how they "feel". You take what they feel on faith. Even when it flies in the face of biological reality. Which you are entitled to do. And this great faith is enough to give kids drugs and surgeries to transform their bodies based upon this unprovable faith. A few questions and certain answers is all it takes for everyone to raise thier hands a shout hallelujah we have seen the light! Let's get the kid on life altering medications and surgeries. Not only that we have reinforce this belief system through laws and policies.

Something that is considered abhorrent if done for religious reasons. Well other religions.

 

[rjs330]

What is it called when you are given a regimen of prescription drugs.....therapy. How is gender dysphoria diagnosed? By an evaluation from a psychologist or psychiatrist. A gender dysphoria specialist can also diagnose this. Not your family doctor.

That's false. Planned parenthood flatly states that's not required. WPATH flatly states that's not required. A quick consultation and we are off to the races.

Thus us a psychological problem that needs psychological therapy. But no psychological therapy is required.

beg to differ unless you want to pay cash for a gender reassignment surgery.

You can beg all you want, but as has been shown to you, no therapy is required before being out on drugs. Just a few questions answered.

Are these from your notes as a physician? You're not a doctor, don't pretend to be one. You have no idea what is being talked about between a patient and their doctor.

What more could be going on in 20-30 minutes? Certainly no in depth analysis. Cause you know we aren't supposed to do that. We Affirm them. Any questions that might lead to discovering that the patient might be suffering from other things and aren't really trans are verboten. It's all about "Yes you are trans, how long have you felt thus way and what kind of trabs things do you do?" Congrats we affirm, here's your drugs.
There us no thoughtful in depth analysis of the patient and thier lives, thier comorbities, thier autistic measures, etc etc.

Dude how many times do we have to tell you that Affirmative Care has been found to be the woest thing weve done to kids. It's obvious you've done no research into what has been going on or what has been discovered in Europe on this matter. Why Tavistock happened. Why even the Dutch altered their stance.

Children to no longer be prescribed puberty blockers, NHS England confirms

Belgium and Netherlands call for puberty blocker restrictions following Cass Review

You are not a doctor so you have no idea what children should or shouldn't be treated with. You are not relying on medical or psychological doctors for your information, just your own opinion and morals.

No I'm not a doctor but I am paying attention. I'm relying on the professionals and I've linked to what the professionals are saying. All over yge world things are changing. Now more quickly than ever.

As Cass noted after reviewing national healthcare guidance, the evidence supporting puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for young people is "remarkably weak." She added that prescribing such hormones should be done with "extreme caution."

The American Academy of Pediatrics was one of the organizations that attempted to downplay the report's findings. In a statement to The New York Times, AAP President Dr. Ben Hoffman remarked that "Politicians have inserted themselves into the exam room, which is dangerous for both physicians and for families."

Cass told The Times that she "respectfully [disagrees] with [AAP] ... holding on to a position that is now demonstrated to be out of date by multiple systematic reviews."

"It wouldn't be too much of a problem if people were saying, 'This is clinical consensus, and we're not sure,'" Cass said. "But what some organizations are doing is doubling down on saying the evidence is good. And I think that's where you're misleading the public. You need to be honest about the strength of the evidence and say what you're going to do to improve it.

 

[rjs330]

I can think of another, which has already been mentioned.

That's patently false. To avoid sanctions let's just call whatever you are talking about X.

A person says. "I am a X." There is no scientific or biological reality to be able to say whether a person is an X or not. Correct? So, scientifically we have no way of knowing one way or another. We can't prove it one way or another.
The thing is there are no laws or policies that force you to say they are an X if you dont want to.

A person says "I am a female." We actually do have scientific methods of determining if someone is a female or not. We can know for sure if they are or aren't. But we do have laws and policies that say you DO have to say they are a female, even if you don't want to.

 

[BCP1928]

That's patently false. To avoid sanctions let's just call whatever you are talking about X.

A person says. "I am a X." There is no scientific or biological reality to be able to say whether a person is an X or not. Correct? So, scientifically we have no way of knowing one way or another. We can't prove it one way or another.
The thing is there are no laws or policies that force you to say they are an X if you dont want to.

There are certainly policies in this forum to that effect. And you would certainly have blotted your copybook if you tried it in your school or workplace whether there are policies against it or not.