SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[RileyG]

No, it was an over-the-top example, but it showed, I think, that word definitions must be shared or they are meaningless.

Correct!

[Which is why, from my perspective and based on simple science and logic, will never call a male a woman even if he “identifies” as one.

I’ll only use women for adult females only

Can I identify as 80 because I feel like I’m 80 or identify as an 80 year old? Of course not!

The whole trans movement is no different.

It’s all a fantasy and illogical based on fetish and delusions].

 

[rjs330]

We would if everybody agreed that in certain limited contexts the word "woman" could sometimes mean male child.

Then and word could mean anything at any given time. And why limited context. Ig we all.agreed the word woman could mean, cat, or male child or brocoli or amoeba. Under certain limited contexts of course, if we all agreed.

What happens if we don't all agree?

You would have to tell me what kind of apple you wanted. "apple" can mean many different things, depending on the context. You might have wanted the apple of your eye.

This is such bunk.and you know it. If I asked you to go to the store and buy me an apple you know exactly what I'm talking about. You may want to know what kind and if I said I don't care you come back with an apple. You would come home with an ape of my eye or an orange or a tuna fish. Quit being foolishness with this. You are fooling anyone here.

Again, you might have to specify what kind of woman you wanted .

No I don't. A woman. Thats all you get.

But we're only talking about the pronouns we use in the workplace for a specific individual at the insistence of the boss. What kind of woman (biological, trans, straight, pretending, whatever.) is not a determination you have to make in that context.

No we aren't. We are talking about a woman. What is a woman. Every type of woman is biological. Except for pretend or trans. Let's make a list.

1. Lesbian, biological
2. Black, biological
3. Straight, biological
4. Old, biological
5. Rich, biological
6. Poor, biological
7. Trans, not biological
8. Pretend not biological.

If you claim a trans person is a woman you have just made up.ypir own definition for woman. And now a woman can be anything you want it to be Including an apple.

I drove a cat once. It was big and yellow and made clanking sounds when it moved.

That's a short name for a brand of heavy equipment. It's not a cat. It's a brand name.

The question was not about definitions, but about how they feel about being trans.

Yes it is. What we feel like is irrelevant to what we are.

Like a woman. Man I should just let you keep talking. Everyone now knows how absurd your arguments are. But I'm going bow out of this conversation. I'm just wasting my time now. Everyone knows how ridiculous your arguments are and no.one is buying them.

 

[rjs330]

Women literally never means male child. A woman is an adult human female. A male child is a young boy, not yet a man.

Good grief.

I know right. This has gone beyond the point of ridiculousness. I don't even know why I'm engaging anymore.

It's obvious that some don't recognize how absurd they sound.

 

[RileyG]

I know right. This has gone beyond the point of ridiculousness. I don't even know why I'm engaging anymore.

It's obvious that some don't recognize how absurd they sound.

A male will never be a woman no matter how loud he screams.

LGBT, please leave children alone. When they grow up to be adults, they will make their own choices.

It’s not hard.

 

[BCP1928]

Then and word could mean anything at any given time. And why limited context. Ig we all.agreed the word woman could mean, cat, or male child or brocoli or amoeba. Under certain limited contexts of course, if we all agreed.

What happens if we don't all agree?

The question is, who decides?

This is such bunk.and you know it. If I asked you to go to the store and buy me an apple you know exactly what I'm talking about. You may want to know what kind and if I said I don't care you come back with an apple. You would come home with an ape of my eye or an orange or a tuna fish. Quit being foolishness with this. You are fooling anyone here.
No I don't. A woman. Thats all you get.
No we aren't. We are talking about a woman. What is a woman. Every type of woman is biological. Except for pretend or trans. Let's make a list.

1. Lesbian, biological
2. Black, biological
3. Straight, biological
4. Old, biological
5. Rich, biological
6. Poor, biological
7. Trans, not biological
8. Pretend not biological.

If you claim a trans person is a woman you have just made up.ypir own definition for woman. And now a woman can be anything you want it to be Including an apple.
That's a short name for a brand of heavy equipment. It's not a cat. It's a brand name.
Yes it is. What we feel like is irrelevant to what we are.

Like a woman. Man I should just let you keep talking. Everyone now knows how absurd your arguments are. But I'm going bow out of this conversation. I'm just wasting my time now. Everyone knows how ridiculous your arguments are and no.one is buying them.

OK, I get it. Unless you decide, nothing but linguistic chaos will ensue.

 

[BCP1928]

A male will never be a woman no matter how loud he screams.

LGBT, please leave children alone. When they grow up to be adults, they will make their own choices.

It’s not hard.

I think you have mentioned "choice" before. What choice is that? The only choice they really have is whether to try to be "out" or not.

 

[KCfromNC]

Repeating yourself doesn’t make it right.

No, it was the factual examples in my post which did.

No, I don’t have to accept trans propaganda and neither does anyone else.

If you are XY and an adult? You’re a man. If you’re XX and an adult? You’re a woman. There are others that are intersex because of birth defects.

Just because someone self identifies as something doesn’t make it true.

This has nothing to do with Republicans or minorities.

It’s logical and scientific.

I'll ask again : Can we substitute in other groups whose self-identity isn't based on empirical verifiable facts? Or does this only apply to ones targeted by GOP propaganda?

 

[KCfromNC]

According to the left, so-called “trans women” (biological males) are “real women,” so they can do everything a biological woman can do, except:

Which posts are being quoted here?

 

[KCfromNC]

But what is the downside of admitting the problem?

I tried a few pages back and was accused of showing contempt for the group whose self identity wasn't based on scientific empirical fact. There was even an accusation that doing so was against the rules here. Might want to be careful.

 

[KCfromNC]

Why would they be so angry?

It might be instructive to look back at the angry reaction in post 865 as a response to questioning whether we should acknowledge religious self-identity because it also wasn't based in scientific fact. There are some interesting parallels there, if one can get past the knee jerk but that's different because I'm right response.

 

[RileyG]

No, it was the factual examples in my post which did.



I'll ask again : Can we substitute in other groups whose self-identity isn't based on empirical verifiable facts? Or does this only apply to ones targeted by GOP propaganda?

I already made myself clear so there’s really no need to respond to you.

You mean Christian’s or other religious groups? A religion is something someone practices.

One cannot be the opposite gender because their chromosomes determined otherwise.

Screaming trans people are being targeted or they really are the opposite gender is also propaganda not based in reality.

 

[RileyG]

Which posts are being quoted here?

I was responding to the OP based on personal observation.

 

[RileyG]

It might be instructive to look back at the angry reaction in post 865 as a response to questioning whether we should acknowledge religious self-identity because it also wasn't based in scientific fact. There are some interesting parallels there, if one can get past the knee jerk but that's different because I'm right response.

How can a man know what it’s like to be a woman or vice versa?

Using the same logic, can I, as someone who is 5’6, self-identify as 6’2 because I “feel” like it?

If you want to call a biological male a woman because he says he self-identifies as one, that’s totally fine.

I, however, will not.

 

[rturner76]

We've already proven to you that you are wrong. Are you aware that the WPATH guidelines don't require any therapy? Those are the guidelines being used in Affirmative Care.

Wrong about what? That you need to be under a doctor's care to receive prescription medication? The only thing you have proven is that you have no idea how the medical system works.

So if the doctor, parents and child agree that you are fine with the kid being transitioned to a dog then. Why would the kid not be given those medications? After all the doctor parents and child all agree they are a dog. Why would they give them psychotropic drugs? I thought the child's feelings and belief about themselves is what mattered. Affirmative Care would give the child whatever they need in order to live thier life as a dog.

I believe that's called an ad hominem fallacy. I never said people could get medication to make themselves dogs. What I said was if a child thinks that they are a dog, they should seek psychiatric treatment. I have no idea what you are talking about with this dog thing. I clearly stated there is no such thing as dog dysphoria. there is however a clearly laid out criteria for the diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I can smell the desperation in your argument and it's kind of funny.

Because the parents are listening to the professionals you so highly revere and the professionals are being driven by money along with a failed trans activist organization. Who admitted that neither the parents nor the kids have any idea what the effects of the treatments are.

So now you know the motivation of each and every doctor in the United States. The desperation goes deeper and deeper. If neither the parents or children don't know why they think and feel what they think and feel, do you think at that point it might be prudent to get a doctor of psychiatric medicine involved?

You have proven nothing in your entire argument other than that you want people to be denied care for gender dysphoria.

 

[rjs330]

A male will never be a woman no matter how loud he screams.

LGBT, please leave children alone. When they grow up to be adults, they will make their own choices.

It’s not hard.

I agree. If a man wants to transition its his own struggles to deal with. I feel.bad for him but he's an adult.

 

[rjs330]

I tried a few pages back and was accused of showing contempt for the group whose self identity wasn't based on scientific empirical fact. There was even an accusation that doing so was against the rules here. Might want to be careful.

I think I understand. You want to compare Christanity with Transgenderism. A religion with a mental health disorder. Now I asked someone the question, maybe you, if you are thinking transgenderism.isnt a mental health disorder but a religion instead. Is that what you are trying to say?

 

[rjs330]

There are some interesting parallels there, if one can get past the knee jerk but that's different because I'm right response.

No there isn't, unless you are claiming both are religious in nature. Or you are claiming both are a mental illness. See you claiming either one of these?

 

[rjs330]

How can a man know what it’s like to be a woman or vice versa?

Using the same logic, can I, as someone who is 5’6, self-identify as 6’2 because I “feel” like it?

If you want to call a biological male a woman because he says he self-identifies as one, that’s totally fine.

I, however, will not.

Im.wondering if that were rhe case if they could claim they were 6'2" on their drivers license? If identification is reality.

 

[rjs330]

Wrong about what? That you need to be under a doctor's care to receive prescription medication? The only thing you have proven is that you have no idea how the medical system works.

You are the one who's proven you don't understand how the system works in transgender care for kids. You go in and on with therapy and Affirmative Care and don't even know that therapy isn't required before given transgender drugs to kids.

believe that's called an ad hominem fallacy. I never said people could get medication to make themselves dogs. What I said was if a child thinks that they are a dog, they should seek psychiatric treatment.

On that we agree. So then why aren't they required to get Psychiatric treatment if they think they are rhe opposite sex?

I have no idea what you are talking about with this dog thing. I clearly stated there is no such thing as dog dysphoria.

That's what analogies are all about. Why is it that you can't recognize the parallel. Do you need me to spell it out for you?

there is however a clearly laid out criteria for the diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

Oh? And what exactly is this clearly laid out criteria for gender dysphoria and what is it based upon?
And what about transgenderism THAT ISN'T dysphoria. What is that? What's rhe clearly laid out criteria for just being trans?

If neither the parents or children don't know why they think and feel what they think and feel, do you think at that point it might be prudent to get a doctor of psychiatric medicine involved?

I do. Then rhe question must be asked why isn't that a requirement?

You have proven nothing in your entire argument other than that you want people to be denied care for gender dysphoria.

Please quote me saying that. I bet you can't.

 

[rturner76]

You are the one who's proven you don't understand how the system works in transgender care for kids. You go in and on with therapy and Affirmative Care and don't even know that therapy isn't required before given transgender drugs to kids.

Actually, you are way off here. Where do you get prescription drugs prescribed? What? A doctor? How id gender dysphoria diagnosed? By the DSM-% diagnosis criteria which is a guide for mental disorders. We've been over all of this before. Is it that you forget or don't pay attention?

On that we agree. So then why aren't they required to get Psychiatric treatment if they think they are rhe opposite sex?

They are. Again the DSM-% has the criteria and the DSM=5 only diagnoses mental disorders. Again, we've gone over this.

That's what analogies are all about. Why is it that you can't recognize the parallel. Do you need me to spell it out for you?

What you said was a story about a kid wanting to be a dog. It's likely they would be treated for some kind of delusion disorder. There is no medical intervention for people who think they are a dog. There are physical interventions to treat gender dysphoria. Your analogy is either false or just falls flat. Apples and oranges.

Oh? And what exactly is this clearly laid out criteria for gender dysphoria and what is it based upon?

Here ya go.......
DSM-5 Criteria for Gender Dysphoria (20)

A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and natal gender of at least 6 months in duration, as manifested by at least two of the following:A. A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics) B. A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics) C. A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender D. A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s designated gender) E. A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s designated gender) F. A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s designated gender)

The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. Specify if:A. The condition exists with a disorder of sex development. B. The condition is post-transitional, in that the individual has transitioned to full-time living in the desired gender (with or without legalization of gender change) and has undergone (or is preparing to have) at least one sex-related medical procedure or treatment regimen—namely, regular sex hormone treatment or gender reassignment surgery confirming the desired gender (e.g., penectomy, vaginoplasty in natal males; mastectomy or phalloplasty in natal females). Table 2. [DSM-5 Criteria for Gender Dysphoria ()]. - Endotext - NCBI Bookshelf

I do. Then rhe question must be asked why isn't that a requirement?

It is, unless you want to skip treatment and go under the knife with a plastic surgeon and pay cash.

Please quote me saying that. I bet you can't.

It's been implied in that you question whether it's a medical or psychologicalcondition