Female Athletes Sue NCAA for Allowing Transgender Competitors

[Astrid]

What is PSFLH?

What is PSFLH?

Pint size female...

Nothing else of interest in my post ?

 

[Zaha Torte]

Religion is also a choice but somehow I don’t think you’d apply that same standard to segregate the unfaithful.

What?

 

[Zaha Torte]

That is what you said. Their "delusion" is promoting tolerance and acceptance for LGBT people.

I was clearly talking about the "delusion" of transgenderism.

Why do you feel the need to continue to misrepresent what I said?

 

[Chrystal-J]

You've completely changed the subject.
You said it's all choice.

I said that just an opinion ( negative stereotype
Opinion) based on neither study nor experience.

You are what you do. I am a lesbian as identified
by my actions.

If you are dissatisfied with being identifed by what yiu do
perhaps you can decide to change.

Better still if it was a hasty statement that isn't really how you see things. People. Like me.

That's all about your thu ki g, not some " status quo" which is,
if anything, still very discriminatory.



The subject was, is it a choice.
For me personally, it is not. Same with others
I know.

I nor you can speak justly of those we don't know.

Now, to the topic you introduced here later-
Men in women's room?? Subjecting women to...??

As a woman I can only be far more opposed than you.

As a woman who has been raped, my privacy and safety is an intense issue.

But that wasn't it. Just your talk of " choice".

I hope you see my pov and will hpgive some revised thoughts to the idea that all of lgb... is " choice".
Ok? Friends?

I'm not into " facts" which are actually
personal opinion with zero way to confirm them.

Sometimes you can't change the way you think, but I would hope that you can choose your actions.

 

[Zaha Torte]

And no parent wants to say things that cause their children significant mental health problems and can lead to them wanting to end their own life.

If the truth causes someone harm and makes them want to hurt themselves - then there is something wrong with that person - not the truth.

People who love other people refuse to lie to them.

Any child who is confused needs help discerning truth from error.

But some parents think they are being spiritually righteous and helping their child and don't know that what they are saying is causing their children significant mental health problems and can lead to them wanting to end their own life.

Just like when you take an antibiotic - sometimes it makes you feel worse before you start to feel better.

This may be hard for people to understand - but parents love their children more than anyone else.

I know this because I watched it play out at my youth treatment facility. And that was CERTAINLY not the only set of parents who speak that way to their transgender or LGBTQ child

Please share examples of this anecdotal evidence.

 

[BCP1928]

I was clearly talking about the "delusion" of transgenderism.

That's what I was referring to.

Why do you feel the need to continue to misrepresent what I said?

You're talking about some kind of "trans agenda" being dangerous to your children, right? Maybe more dangerous than a war. Yet that is the "trans agenda"--promoting tolerance and acceptance of trans people.

 

[BCP1928]

If the truth causes someone harm and makes them want to hurt themselves - then there is something wrong with that person - not the truth.

People who love other people refuse to lie to them.

Any child who is confused needs help discerning truth from error.

Just like when you take an antibiotic - sometimes it makes you feel worse before you start to feel better.

This may be hard for people to understand - but parents love their children more than anyone else.

Please share examples of this anecdotal evidence.

I shudder to think what "truth" you're going to tell them.

 

[rambot]

If the truth causes someone harm and makes them want to hurt themselves - then there is something wrong with that person - not the truth.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying there is a WAY to TALK to people in that situation. And it is NOT the way that Christians are partaking in....which involves shame.

People who love other people refuse to lie to them.

People who TRULY love other people learn the best way to communicate their concerns with the person they love so that the way they help them will be beneficial.

Any child who is confused needs help discerning truth from error.

Not arguing there at all.

Just like when you take an antibiotic - sometimes it makes you feel worse before you start to feel better.

Never had that experience in my life.

This may be hard for people to understand - but parents love their children more than anyone else.

And this may be hard to understand as well:
But just giving birth to a child does NOT make you capable at meeting every single need they may have. IT also doesn't guarantee competency in parenting.

I have DEFINITELY met PLENTY of parents who do NOT love their children but we can remove them from this discussion for now since it's not quite reltaed.

Please share examples of this anecdotal evidence.

I watched as two parents kept calling their son a sinner and needing to repent and change while the child wailed at top volume that it wasn't something he could change. They had 3 visits like that before they realized "this isn't working". So they just stopped visiting him for a few months.

Before he left he had rather choice words for the people of his church and sad words about his relationship with Christ. I think there are a few people who may have that "large weight" tied around their neck for causing "one of His to stray"

Ultimately, what it looks like is a parent not listening to, or respecting what their children are telling them because of their own misunderstandings of how "gay works".

Because I guess that's how you show Christian love or......?

 

[Astrid]

Sometimes you can't change the way you think, but I would hope that you can choose your actions.

I'm not a machine. Same w you.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I'm not a machine. Same w you.

Huh?

 

[RileyG]

Pint size female...

Nothing else of interest in my post ?

Why does it matter if I accept you or not? I don’t care what you do in your personal life. It’s none of my business.

 

[Zaha Torte]

That's what I was referring to.

Yet you claimed that this "delusion" was "promoting tolerance and acceptance for LGBT people" - which is not what I was referring to.

The delusion of transgenderism and other gender ideologies is the idea that any person can identify as or become a member of the opposite sex/"gender", any of the made up "genders" or none.

We are all either male or female. Anything else is delusion. No swapping teams - nothing in between - each of us is either male or female.

You sound like some Christian teacher who would claim, "My not being able to share my beliefs or pray with my students means that you are being intolerant and unaccepting of Christian people."

School is not about religion, race, sexual orientation or gender ideology.

You're talking about some kind of "trans agenda" being dangerous to your children, right?

False ideology.

There doesn't even need to be an "agenda" - but teaching children something so false about something so personal is damaging.

It would be like telling children that there is no harm in them smoking cigarettes - but worse.

Maybe more dangerous than a war.

It is a different kind of war - one that is often encouraged and supported - and is potentially more destructive to the soul.

Yet that is the "trans agenda"--promoting tolerance and acceptance of trans people.

I disagree - and would argue that the "agenda" is about getting people to accept their false ideology.

Just because I am tolerant and accepting of Flat Earthers - that doesn't mean they should teach their ideas to children at school.

 

[Astrid]

Huh?

Robots can't choose their actions.

But yours is a very odd response to
commenting that i don't do opinions as fact.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying there is a WAY to TALK to people in that situation.

The old - "It's not what you said, but how you said it." - schtick, eh?

And it is NOT the way that Christians are partaking in....which involves shame.

Shame can be used appropriately and effectively. Most people in our society need more shame.

People who TRULY love other people learn the best way to communicate their concerns with the person they love so that the way they help them will be beneficial.

You are the arbiter of what "true love" is? And you do realize that what is or is not "beneficial" is subjective.

I would argue that - in terms of this subject - anything that helps them realize that transgenderism is delusional, and evil is beneficial.

Not arguing there at all.

I am not convinced that this is true.

Do you tell children that they can be a member of the opposite sex/gender?

Never had that experience in my life.

I am immune compromised and I get infections quite often.

It does not happen every single time - but often enough - that first day/night after starting a round of antibiotics can be horrible.

Even worse than the infection made me feel up to that point.

And this may be hard to understand as well:
But just giving birth to a child does NOT make you capable at meeting every single need they may have. IT also doesn't guarantee competency in parenting.

I have DEFINITELY met PLENTY of parents who do NOT love their children but we can remove them from this discussion for now since it's not quite reltaed.

I don't believe that to be true - I believe that these problems are often related. Issues with sex/gender are often responses to some trauma.

That being said - my statement was made about the general - not outlier cases.

Of course, there will always be less than ideal parents - yet that does not mean that transgenderism is any less false.

I watched as two parents kept calling their son a sinner and needing to repent and change while the child wailed at top volume that it wasn't something he could change. They had 3 visits like that before they realized "this isn't working". So they just stopped visiting him for a few months.

Before he left he had rather choice words for the people of his church and sad words about his relationship with Christ. I think there are a few people who may have that "large weight" tied around their neck for causing "one of His to stray"

Before I can properly respond to this, I would need to know what a "youth treatment center" is.

I thought it was like a YMCA or something - but now I'm not so sure.

Ultimately, what it looks like is a parent not listening to, or respecting what their children are telling them because of their own misunderstandings of how "gay works".

Are you sure you know how "gay works"?

Because I guess that's how you show Christian love or......?

One of the greatest forms of love is to only speak truth - that is what the Lord Jesus Christ did for us.

 

[Astrid]

Why does it matter if I accept you or not? I don’t care what you do in your personal life. It’s none of my business.

As if i said you matter to me.

 

[RileyG]

As if i said you matter to me.

I never said that.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I shudder to think what "truth" you're going to tell them.

Men and women are different. All human beings are either male or female. No one can become a member of the opposite sex. Anyone who wishes to "identify" as a member of the opposite sex either has a mental illness, sexual fetish or is a liar.

It would boil down to - "There are only two sexes - zero genders - and infinite personalities"

 

[Chrystal-J]

I never said that.

She's saying things that I never said too. ???

 

[rjs330]

This claim is frequently made and is likely true but it doesn't really create a precise picture. Yes, they have mental health issues.

Most all of them mental health issues. Many different kinds. Comorbitities are rampant in this group. Autism often plays a part as well.

No. It has to do with what their brain tells them is true vs. what their parents are telling them is true. When those two don't match up, it causes a great, great deal of constirnation.
THat's where the suicidal ideation comes from.

Maybe. We have no idea if the suicidal ideation comes from thinking they are trans or from other mental health issues. We have no idea if they weren't trans if they would still have suicidal ideation. Sucicidal ideation is common among those with mental health issues. The actual rate of suicide for trans issues is completely unknown.

Parents are only doing thier best. On bo4h sides of the issue. They don't know what to do with a child with severe mental health issues. The child may think they are the opposite sex, but the parents know that's not real.

totally get it. I'd even be inclined to say that only a TINY portion of those kids who identify as another gender, actually hold onto that through aging. According to my friend who worked at the gender dysmorphia clinic hear in town, he said about 90% of kids revert back to their own birth gender with appropriate therapeutic support.

Which is what we've been saying all along.

you are TRULY concerned about this, I would posit that the BEST way to fight against this is actually to INSIST on single payer mental health support. Because strong mental health supports will help us "save" the kids who are just in a state of confusion.

I don't disagree that the US system needs a change. There would of necessity need to be a complete overhaul of the government tax and spend system. Even states that have tried to implement these kinda of things found significant failures. I would most certainly support psych support for the kids.

 

[rjs330]

I was clearly talking about the "delusion" of transgenderism.

Why do you feel the need to continue to misrepresent what I said?

Because that's his schtick.