Can Christians Still Support Trump after the Guilty Verdict?

[Vambram]

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How can you follow Jesus and Donald Trump?” Many are not following a man, they are shaping a movement. A better, biblical question to be asking is, What direction is the country heading?

The short answer to the question is absolutely, especially after a sham trial that resembles Venezuela more than America.

Confrontation Over Character
If a leader lacks Christian character but is pointing the nation back to God, is that a bad thing? If they are being a terror to terrorists and making America secure, is that a bad thing?

If they are honoring hard work and minimizing free handouts, is that a bad thing? If they are fighting the global agenda to enslave America, is that a bad thing?

God doesn’t judge a nation based on the character of one man; He judges it based on the spiritual health of her people—from corrupt Ballam to ungodly kings in the Old Testament—if they direct the people back to God it can be a good thing.

A Reality Check
Not voting for Trump is a vote against what needs to happen in this nation. We can’t allow “personal” pain or “flawed” character to have national consequences.

We’re not playing games anymore—serious things are on the line that have massive consequences. We need to wake up. There is no Plan B. I don’t believe that any other candidate could carry his momentum.

 

[Bradskii]

There is no Plan B.

Shame on the GOP and the whole political system for not offering a multitude of viable options. The system is broken. And will likely take a generation or more to fix.

 

[Vambram]

Shame on the GOP and the whole political system for not offering a multitude of viable options. The system is broken. And will likely take a generation or more to fix.

That is a very fair conclusion.

 

[AlexB23]

I prefer voting in the local elections, though I did vote in a presidential election for the first time in 2020 for Joe. For instance, I vote for Republican police officers typically (to reduce crime), and moderate judges. For environmental stuff, I tend to vote more liberal. After the far left stuff being shoved down everyone's throats since 2021 or so, I will vote one last time in 2024 (begrudgingly for Joe, unless the Republicans put up a new candidate, or the democrats put up a moderate), and then give up on voting for future elections. Who knows how far-left (woke) or how far-right the politicians would be in 2028.

As a Christian, I am tempted to write in Jesus of Nazareth on my ballot, in frustration with the two-party system we have got.

 

[AlexB23]

So, @Bradskii , how does politics work in Australia? Do you guys have more than two parties? I hope you guys have more options compared to us in the US.

 

[Fantine]

The error in that article is the belief that a candidate whose sole focus in life is personal gain really believes in anything.

He has spent 77 years violating all the societal norms you want Americans to value.

He'd drop you and your values in a snap if the other side gave him a better deal.

 

[AlexB23]

The error in that article is the belief that a candidate whose sole focus in life is personal gain really believes in anything.

He has spent 77 years violating all the societal norms you want Americans to value.

He'd drop you and your values in a snap if the other side gave him a better deal.

More like 40+ years (when he started gaining prominence, as Trump was innocent as a kid in the 1940s-60s or so), not 77 years, but this is a good point.

 

[Bradskii]

So, @Bradskii , how does politics work in Australia? Do you guys have more than two parties? I hope you guys have more options compared to us in the US.

The big difference is that we vote for someone that represents a party (there are two main ones plus a lot of independents). The party picks the leader - the Prime Minister.

When I vote, the options are generally two representatives of the main parties plus a raft of independents. If they are elected then they will represent my area in Parliament. The party that has the most people elected forms the government. I voted for the independent last time and she won. She will vote for or against government policies as she sees fit.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Many are not following a man, they are shaping a movement.

lol, baloney. They’re absolutely following a man and they’re trying to run off anybody on their side who doesn’t toe the line.

Confrontation Over Character
If a leader lacks Christian character but is pointing the nation back to God, is that a bad thing?

It’s hard to believe this degree of sycophancy is sincere.

This whole piece is moronic idolatry.

 

[AlexB23]

The big difference is that we vote for someone that represents a party (there are two main ones plus a lot of independents). The party picks the leader - the Prime Minister.

When I vote, the options are generally two representatives of the main parties plus a raft of independents. If they are elected then they will represent my area in Parliament. The party that has the most people elected forms the government. I voted for the independent last time and she won. She will vote for or against government policies as she sees fit.

Wow, an independent won (which is sadly a pipe dream in the US). Wish that happened in the US, but sadly, we are stuck with two parties in the states. Hmm, a parliamentary system could be a unique idea to try out in the USA, maybe this will give more fair voices to the independents.

It is getting late here, but this will be on my mind, and I'll try to study up on the basics of Australian politics.

 

[Vambram]

This whole piece is moronic idolatry.

This is yet another example of liberals equating the support that Christian Americans have towards Donald Trump with a level of blasphemy. In my opinion, this is way over the line.

 

[Bradskii]

Wow, an independent won (which is sadly a pipe dream in the US). Wish that happened in the US, but sadly, we are stuck with two parties in the states. Hmm, a parliamentary system could be a unique idea to try out in the USA, maybe this will give more fair voices to the independents.

It is getting late here, but this will be on my mind, and I'll try to study up on the basics of Australian politics.

You might note that one big difference is that it's compulsory to vote here. I've voted in the UK where it is voluntary (they have the same system apart from that). I have to say I could put forward good arguments for and against both voluntary and compulsive.

We have 12 independents out of 151 in the House of representatives. And when I said two parties, there are actually 3. Labor, Liberal and National. But the last two combine as The Coalition. They'd be the equivalent of the Republican party.

 

[iluvatar5150]

This is yet another example of liberals equating the support that Christian Americans have towards Donald Trump with a level of blasphemy. In my opinion, this is way over the line.

Your author insinuated that Trump was pointing the country back to God; conflated Trump with “you, me, and our Christian values”; and claimed that “godly counsel is surrounding President Trump… God’s wisdom was being sought”.

His claims about “pointing back to God” have nothing to do with Christian virtues and everything to do with conservative political ideology. He’s arguing for the heresy that conflates conservatism with doctrine.

What's over the line is the way the Right, and Christians in particular, fawn over this guy and treat him like a savior. In terms of policy, he's nothing special. He's more populist than some of the establishment Republicans, but you could have had 90% of his policies with literally anybody with an '(R)' after their name. What makes him unique are his corruption, his ineptitude, and his willingness to act like a jerk in the pursuit of power. That's what you guys are fawning over.

 

[AlexB23]

You might note that one big difference is that it's compulsory to vote here. I've voted in the UK where it is voluntary (they have the same system apart from that). I have to say I could put forward good arguments for and against both voluntary and compulsive.

Ooh, I wouldn't want to be forced to vote, if I have to pick between a list of candidates who are bad apples. But yes, there are pros and cons to both types of voting. Could one do a write-in for Australian voting, such as writing in the name of "Jesus" or "Bugs Bunny" instead of a politician?

I will get back to you tomorrow, as it is 23:30 here (assuming that Australians use 24 hour time instead of 11:30 PM).

 

[Bradskii]

Ooh, I wouldn't want to be forced to vote, if I have to pick between a list of candidates who are bad apples. But yes, there are pros and cons to both types of voting. Could one do a write-in for Australian voting, such as writing in the name of "Jesus" or "Bugs Bunny" instead of a politician?

Yes. When I say voting is compulsory, turning up to vote and getting your name crossed off is the compulsory part. What you write on the voting paper is up to you.

 

[Pommer]

Wow, an independent won (which is sadly a pipe dream in the US). Wish that happened in the US, but sadly, we are stuck with two parties in the states. Hmm, a parliamentary system could be a unique idea to try out in the USA, maybe this will give more fair voices to the independents.

To get to a parliamentary system we”d have to open a Constitutional convention and fiddle with our Nation’s “innards”.
This is not likely to happen anytime soon.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Wow, an independent won (which is sadly a pipe dream in the US). Wish that happened in the US, but sadly, we are stuck with two parties in the states.

We are stuck with these two parties because people lack the imagination of anything but these two parties. I gotta vote for Tweedle Dum or otherwise Tweedle Dee will win. We deserve the mess we have. We COULD clean up the swamp but we like the swamp too much .

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Shame on the GOP and the whole political system for not offering a multitude of viable options. The system is broken. And will likely take a generation or more to fix.

I agree with this to a point. Those of us who are Christians see the devolution of everything. As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man comes. Soon.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

As a Christian, I am tempted to write in Jesus of Nazareth on my ballot, in frustration with the two-party system we have got.

He would not win.

 

[AlexB23]

He would not win.

Yeah, that's the sad part that Jesus of Nazareth would not win any votes.