Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

[ozso]

Yes, which means that at that point... You've been found guilty. Taking a pardon, you admit to the guilt (if you haven't already plead guilty), but your sentence is forgiven.

Yes. It would be. Because my sentence was never overturned. And it never will be either in this case. And the governor "deciding I was innocent" carried no legal worth whatsoever. He might have decided I was innocent because he liked something I said or the socks I wore, or, which is sadly a very real possibility, pardoning me would play well to a group whose votes they are vying for. My guilt in front of the law would still stand, only my punishment would be removed, not the crime.

So you'd say you're guilty even though you weren't. In my scenario the governor pardons you because he knows you're innocent.

 

[Paulos23]

Sounds like the concern is the country becoming more conservative and less liberal.

If being more conservative means being more sexist and racist, then yes.

I don't understand the greed part. How did being president make him richer? A billionaire doesn’t become a public servant because there's more money in it.

Greed is not just for money, it can be for power as well.

And Trump has done much during his presidency to enrich his coffers.

 

[ozso]

Surely you have to know that this is an unfair analogy. You are basically saying that since we Christians believe in something in the absence of really solid evidence - which is indeed the case - it is therefore reasonable to believe in stolen elections in the absence of evidence.

Applying your reasoning, I could claim that a Christian should not attack belief in unicorns since, after all, we "believe in things unseen".

Come on, make it at least believable - your analogy is deeply flawed for a number of reasons which I can get into if you want me to.

I said they believe as in as far as they're concerned there is evidence. That doesn't make them delusional.

If they have such "evidence", where is it? Why have all court cases about election fraud been dismissed?

Could be because the system is corrupt.

And, again, the analogy to "belief in Christ" is entirely inappropriate as I will endeavour to explain in another post.

Okay.

 

[ozso]

If being more conservative means being more sexist and racist, then yes.

It only means that in the eyes of liberalism.

Greed is not just for money, it can be for power as well.

And Trump has done much during his presidency to enrich his coffers.

He already had power.

I wonder then why so many are gloating over the prospect of him being on verge of financial collapse.

 

[ozso]

Honestly people, one of the key facts of the whole case is that Michael Cohen paid Stormy Daniels $130,000 to say she didn't have sex with Trump.

Isn't it more like her not saying anything about it at all?

Of course there will be differences in her story when she's under oath, as opposed to when she's obeying the NDA.

She wouldn't have said so much about it over the last 6 to 8 years if she had been obeying the NDA.

 

[Paulos23]

It only means that in the eyes of liberalism.

No, I am sure it is not. I know conservatives who believe it is not and have either left the GOP or are fighting to keep the GOP.

He already had power.

I didn't say he didn't. But people with power usually want more. It is a rare person that doesn't want more.

Trump is not that sort of person based on his behavior.

I wonder then why so many are gloating over the prospect of him being on verge of financial collapse.

I am not, but he has been bankrupt four times. He seems to be on the verge of financial collapse most of the time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

She wouldn't have said so much about it over the last 6 to 8 years if she had been obeying the NDA.

She's broken the agreement? Maybe Trump should do something about that.

Trump won't enforce Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement (2018)​

Daniels' lawyer tweeted the president is "all hat and no cattle."

 

[ozso]

She's broken the agreement? Maybe Trump should do something about that.

Trump won't enforce Stormy Daniels nondisclosure agreement (2018)​

Daniels' lawyer tweeted the president is "all hat and no cattle."

What does that have to do with you saying "Of course there will be differences in her story when she's under oath, as opposed to when she's obeying the NDA". If she was obeying the NDA she wouldn't be telling any kind of story about it whatsoever.

 

[essentialsaltes]

What does that have to do with you saying "Of course there will be differences in her story when she's under oath, as opposed to when she's obeying the NDA". If she was obeying the NDA she wouldn't be telling any kind of story about it whatsoever.

In January 2018, Stormy Daniels twice publicly denied she had sex with Trump. (she obeyed the NDA)

In February 2018, Cohen publicly says he personally paid Stormy Daniels for the NDA.

Since Cohen disclosed the non-disclosure agreement, it would be dumb for the Trump camp to try to enforce it. So they chose not to And said so publicly. And Stormy Daniels has been free since then to speak her mind.

 

[ozso]

In January 2018, Stormy Daniels twice publicly denied she had sex with Trump. (she obeyed the NDA)

So what lead her to say that?

In February 2018, Cohen publicly says he personally paid Stormy Daniels for the NDA.

Since Cohen disclosed the non-disclosure agreement, it would be dumb for the Trump camp to try to enforce it. So they chose not to And said so publicly. And Stormy Daniels has been free since then to speak her mind.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Who cares about the law. I'm so far right, I'm anarchist.

Gimme a "felon" for VP too!

Skimming through, I read that as, "I'm so far right, I'm antichrist."

Freudian slip - saying one thing and meaning your mother...

 

[FaithT]

MAGA. Make America Great Again!

Is there a problem with that?

I think we could use some of that actually.

Yeah, by sombody else who can make America great again. You know, someone who is honest, has good morals and isn’t a convicted felon.

 

[QvQ]

Illegal campaign contributions in the form of conspiring to use the National enquirer as an arm of the campaign.

That is so absurd it is FUNNY. So that was the Federal Part?
Conspiring with a news agency to influence their editorial content.
I suppose the news content that was generated was considered unpaid advertising and that was the contribution?
That is about the silliest Crime I have ever heard of
Who made that one up?

I don't think you get it. You really don't. That shows the paucity of the defence. The evidence of his guilt was so strong that not one of the jurors had even reasonable doubt.

That is a description of a lynch mob.

 

[BPPLEE]

In January 2018, Stormy Daniels twice publicly denied she had sex with Trump. (she obeyed the NDA)

In February 2018, Cohen publicly says he personally paid Stormy Daniels for the NDA.

Since Cohen disclosed the non-disclosure agreement, it would be dumb for the Trump camp to try to enforce it. So they chose not to And said so publicly. And Stormy Daniels has been free since then to speak her mind.

What was the judgment against her for in which she was supposed to pay Trump?

 

[essentialsaltes]

So what lead her to say that?

She was paid $130,000 to say that. Are you even paying attention?

 

[MrMoe]

Respectfully it does. It changes from a definitive statement to an opinion. In other words, Biden is not making any claims of fact.

An opinion which is still narcissistic.

But Biden didn't claim as a matter of fact that he would be the best President as if it was a popularity contest between who is the better person.

Being the best implies you are better than the rest in some way. In this case better at being president than the person who hadn't even got the job yet. That's what an inflated ego looks like.

It's not unreasonable that his confidence arises from his credentials and experience as a senator and his knowledge from being the Vice President, which neither of the other candidates could rival.

Why couldn't they rival him? Hilary was the first lady and has been involved in politics for decades, just like Biden.

He actually would be stupid to run for President if he thought the other candidate would make a better President.

And yet he continues to run now, even though it's clear his mental faculties are severely diminished and even though there are indeed better candidates than him right now.

Here he is claiming he just took a photo with someone that wasn't even there.

So it turns out he is stupid.

So can false humility.

Which Biden has in spades.

But Biden even pre-empted such mischaracterizations by acknowledging that it sounds like an awful thing to say, before he said it.

Yet he said that supposed awful thing. It's like someone saying " I don't mean to offend" then immediately proceeding to say something offensive.


The funny thing is Biden shows a lot of the negative traits Trump is accused of having,


Biden has lied.

Biden has insulted people.

Biden has said racist things.

The same accusations leveled at Trump. The difference is Biden supporters will either ignore, downplay or try to justify it when Biden does it, just like you are trying to do right now.

 

[MrMoe]

1.Confidence is not Clinical narcissism.
2.you got 23 more?

That's not confidence. Confidence would be saying: "I could be a good president". Humility would be: "I would try to be the best president I could". Narcissism would be: "I would be the best president".

 

[ozso]

She was paid $130,000 to say that. Are you even paying attention?

Oops, sorry I'm tired.

 

[Postvieww]

Yeah, by sombody else who can make America great again. You know, someone who is honest, has good morals and isn’t a convicted felon.

Do you believe Biden is the paragon of honesty and good morals? As to the convicted felon label we shall see if that stands on appeal. For now liberals can celebrate but that will be a short lived party.

 

[Brihaha]

Oops, sorry I'm tired.

Haha, I'll buy that for a dollar. I don't know any Trump defenders who aren't tired these days .