Dutch woman, 29, granted euthanasia approval on grounds of mental suffering

[Pommer]

There's no point in further debate when your basic premise is wrong.

This is like half the threads on these forums, but they keep ticking.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

You said no one would have to assist. The doctor would be responsible for the death of their patient.

No, I said nobody was obligated to assist after somebody said society shouldn’t be obligated to help people end their lives. The only people who facilitate the service are those who want to facilitate it. Nobody is knocking on the door of the regular person and saying “this person wants to die so you have to perform it,” nor are doctors forced to sign off on it. Everybody involved is there because they chose to be there.

 

[Belk]

There's no point in further debate when your basic premise is wrong. The notion of the individual, the autonomous self, without natural obligations to society, is a fiction of the western European Enlightenment that has extended into the present.

So you keep claiming. Not sure what you mean so not information I find useful.

 

[Tinker Grey]

FYI, she's died May 22: Zoraya ter Beek: Physically Healthy Dutch Woman Dies by Euthanasia as She Didn't Want to Live with Depression and Autism

 

[Tropical Wilds]

FYI, she's died May 22: Zoraya ter Beek: Physically Healthy Dutch Woman Dies by Euthanasia as She Didn't Want to Live with Depression and Autism

I’m glad she is at peace and hope her family finds a measure of comfort in the times ahead.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I’m glad she is at peace and hope her family finds a measure of comfort in the times ahead.

How do you know she's at peace? She might be worse of than she was before.

 

[comana]

How do you know she's at peace? She might be worse of than she was before.

If you believe in afterlife, you could say that about anyone who has passed away. Why not stay positive?

 

[Pommer]

FYI, she's died May 22: Zoraya ter Beek: Physically Healthy Dutch Woman Dies by Euthanasia as She Didn't Want to Live with Depression and Autism

So, she was dead 4 days before this thread began?

 

[Chrystal-J]

If you believe in afterlife, you could say that about anyone who has passed away. Why not stay positive?

Her last act on earth was a murder (of herself). Where is the positive angle on that?

 

[trophy33]

Her last act on earth was a murder (of herself). Where is the positive angle on that?

Its not the last thing you do that decides your fate.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Its not the last thing you do that decides your fate.

It's the whole ideology of avoidance of suffering that's more of the 'sin' than anything. That's why abortion is so rampant. Life is good and wanted when the going is easy. But run into a roadblock and it's 'abandon ship'.
I'm not putting the blame solely on this person, I feel the mental health system failed her too. And euthanasia being legal leads to people being pressured into it so they don't become a 'burden'. Nobody knows if this woman was subtly guided toward this.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

How do you know she's at peace? She might be worse of than she was before.

The weight of her conditions was causing her a lack of peace in life. Now that she is not alive, she has achieved her goal of not being burdened or the feeling of being a burden. Ignoring that as a Christian I don’t think that God, who’s power is absolute, will forsake her, but there is a measure of relief to be released of burdens you’ve carried for a long time regardless of what happens after. In the last days of her life she likely felt a great deal of peace and relief knowing she had an end date for her illnesses.

 

[FireDragon76]

So you keep claiming. Not sure what you mean so not information I find useful.

There is no autonomous self, except as a Noble Lie of the Enlightenment.

 

[FireDragon76]

FYI, she's died May 22: Zoraya ter Beek: Physically Healthy Dutch Woman Dies by Euthanasia as She Didn't Want to Live with Depression and Autism

Very sad.

I had depression when I was younger, and I also am an adult with autism. Autism and depression should not be seen as rendering a person incapable of ever being happy again.

 

[Belk]

There is no autonomous self, except as a Noble Lie of the Enlightenment.

Repeating the same thing over and over is of no use to me. Do you care to explain what you mean?

 

[FireDragon76]

This is like half the threads on these forums, but they keep ticking.

Indeed. It comes down to a fundamental difference in worldviews. European society increasing sees the glass as half empty, atomized, isolated from life itself. Such is life through a materialist paradigm.

 

[FireDragon76]

Repeating the same thing over and over is of no use to me. Do you care to explain what you mean?

The self, the fetish of modernity, is a social construct and is shaped by the Noble Lie that individuals can exist and flourish apart from such a thing as a society.

It's not my job to do your homework for you. My words are very simple and plain.

 

[RileyG]

FYI, she's died May 22: Zoraya ter Beek: Physically Healthy Dutch Woman Dies by Euthanasia as She Didn't Want to Live with Depression and Autism

May she Rest In Peace.

I feel nothing but sympathy for her and I’m sorry she was in so much pain.

The world can be an ugly place.

 

[RileyG]

How do you know she's at peace? She might be worse of than she was before.

Agreed.

Drives me bonkers when people say “they’re in a better place” or “heaven gained a new Angel.”

Only God knows where there soul is. We cannot presume anything.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Agreed.

Drives me bonkers when people say “they’re in a better place” or “heaven gained a new Angel.”

Only God knows where there soul is. We cannot presume anything.

Saying they are at peace is a pretty neutral sentiment… I’m not sure why that would drive anybody bonkers.