Trump Found Guilty on All 34 Counts In Hush-Money Trial

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yup, they specifically don’t care about breaking laws as long as they can stop Trump

Who is "they"? and what laws did "they" break?

 

[Adam56]

Who is "they"?

Democrats.

and what laws did "they" break?

The democrats support illegal immigrants.

 

[Vambram]

An attack on Trump is an attack on American democracy

The presidential hopeful has allied with the people, not against them. The New York trial doesn’t speak for America

www.telegraph.co.uk

This article was published on May 22nd which was of course before the verdict in this farce of a trial was announced. There is a lot of very good analysis there from Richard Porter.

 

[ralliann]

An attack on Trump is an attack on American democracy

The presidential hopeful has allied with the people, not against them. The New York trial doesn’t speak for America

www.telegraph.co.uk

This article was published on May 22nd which was of course before the verdict in this farce of a trial was announced. There is a lot of very good analysis there from Richard Porter.

Exellent article. so true.......

 

[childeye 2]

They explicitly state “there is nothing more important than stopping trump”

Yeah, but they probably mean stop him from taking power.

 

[childeye 2]

Yup, they specifically don’t care about breaking laws as long as they can stop Trump.

Devil=accuser/slanderer. It's not good to believe bad things said about others without proof, and it's wrong to entertain or spread slander.

Without any proof, this definitive statement you made amounts to accusation of malfeasance, and the slandering of Democrats. What proof do you have that Trump's Constitutional rights have been violated by Democrats? What proof do you have that Trump didn't conspire with Pecker in August of 2015, to catch and kill bad stories about Trump, and to print and spread negative stories about Hillary? What proof do you have that these jurors who heard the facts of the case and found Trump guilty were politically motivated Democrats?

 

[ralliann]

Devil=accuser/slanderer.

Without any proof, this definitive statement you made amounts to accusation of malfeasance, and the slandering of Democrats. What proof do you have that Trump's Constitutional rights have been violated by Democrats? What proof do you have that Trump didn't conspire with Pecker in August of 2015 to catch and kill bad stories about Trump, and print and spread bad stories about Hillary? What proof do you have that these jurors who found Trump guilty were politically motivated Democrats?

It is not the juror's fault. They were doing as they were instructed. It is the Judge and prosecutor that did all the manipulating in that courtroom.

 

[childeye 2]

It is not the juror's fault. They were doing as they were instructed. It is the Judge and prosecutor that did all the manipulating in that courtroom.

That's a blank assertion. It's not good to believe bad things said about others without proof, and it's wrong to entertain or spread slander. What proof do you have that the prosecutor engaged in malfeasance or that the judge's instructions were deliberately unfair. What proof do you have that Trump didn't conspire with Pecker in August of 2015 to catch and kill bad stories about Trump, and print and spread bad stories about Hillary?

 

[A2SG]

Immunity has not even been decided yet either.

I'd be extremely surprised if even Clarence Thomas can find falsifying business documents is within the scope of a president's official duties.

Oh well, he is one strong man.

Now Trump can also be called one strong felon.

-- A2SG, nice to have a new title, huh?

 

[ralliann]

That's a blank assertion. It's not good to believe bad things said about others without proof, and it's wrong to entertain or spread slander. What proof do you have that the prosecutor engaged in malfeasance or that the judge's instructions were deliberately unfair. What proof do you have that Trump didn't conspire with Pecker in August of 2015 to catch and kill bad stories about Trump, and print and spread bad stories about Hillary?

Listening to legal scholars on the matter. AND Nothing like this has ever been done before, NEVER.
Are you offended for the judge and prosecutor by an appeal?

 

[ralliann]

I'd be extremely surprised if even Clarence Thomas can find falsifying business documents is within the official scope of a president's official duties.

No but he might find that a non disclosure document is business document and not a political document.

Now Trump can also be called one strong felon.

-- A2SG, nice to have a new title, huh?

Yeah all because of his non disclosure agreement with Stormy.

 

[JSRG]

How exactly does a president serve from jail? Seriously, just fill me in on how this works.

Well, no President has done it so far, so exactly how it would work is unclear. There's various duties of the President, some of which can theoretically be done from prison, and some of which could just not be done at all or delegated by him. For example, signing of bills to make them laws. This could be handled either by simply bringing the bills to them to sign or to veto.

Of course, either the 25th Amendment or an impeachment by congress would solve the issue by simply removing them from office.

 

[childeye 2]

Listening to legal scholars on the matter. AND Nothing like this has ever been done before, NEVER.
Are you offended for the judge and prosecutor by an appeal?

Legal scholars who have shown proof of malfeasance on a news channel or just opining as a political pundit?

What's never been done before? A former president and candidate being indicted?

Are you aware Cohen faced similar charges and went to prison?

 

[A2SG]

No but he might find that a non disclosure document is business document and not a political document.

Why would anyone on the SCOTUS have anything whatsoever to say about any NDA? That has nothing to do with a president's official duties, nor was Trump charged with falsifying one.

Yeah all because of his non disclosure agreement with Stormy.

Nope. That wasn't what he was charged with.

-- A2SG. you may want to read the court transcripts. They're freely available as a public record...

 

[ralliann]

Legal scholars who have shown proof of malfeasance on a news channel or just opining as a political pundit?

What's never been done before? A former president and candidate being indicted?

Are you aware Cohen faced similar charges and went to prison?

Cohens guilt has nothing to do with his guilt. That was the instruction by the judge. This will all be sorted out on appeal. For now you have won your felon status, but still it is not enough. You might even have him end up in prison. But I don't know if you will even be satisfied then?

 

[ralliann]

Why would anyone on the SCOTUS have anything whatsoever to say about any NDA? That has nothing to do with a president's official duties, nor was Trump charged with falsifying one.

Why do you think "hush money" has been so central to this case?

Nope. That wasn't what he was charged with.

-- A2SG. you may want to read the court transcripts. They're freely available as a public record...

They took a dead misdemeanor which Bragg did not bring way back. And the statute of limitation has run out on that. So they resurrected it to a felony by making that agreement paid to get relected. Why do you think witnesses were testifying about WHY HE PAID STORMY? Just days after he was running for election again.
Did you watch the trial? Why do think stormy even testified?

 

[Malleeboy]

Can we clearly state the actual felonies that Trumps was convicted on...

OK initial crime was

Falsifying business records, which as a misdemeanor had expired. They made it 34 by making each separate act a separate felony. Write check, ledger entry etc

As best as I can describe the felonies was:

Falsifying businesses records to commit cover committing another felony. Now the jury only had to be unanimous and above reasonable doubt on the falsifying records.
The three felony were:
1) Tax fraud - By allowing this to be an income to Cohen, instead of a repayment, this caused a wrong tax filing. However the wrong tax filing actually caused too much to paid.
2) Campaign finance fraud -
3) Breaking New York election law by 1) tax fraud 2) Campaign finance fraud 3) Falsifying business records (even though this wasn't a separate object crime, like 1 and 2)

Jury had only to find underlying felonies at probable not beyond reasonable doubt, and jury members didn't have to agree on which of the three was the underlying crime, could be 4 for each.

 

[childeye 2]

Cohens guilt has nothing to do with his guilt.

You said this had never happened before. Yet during the Trump administration, Cohen plead guilty to being a participant in the same conspiracy to catch and kill any stories that made Trump look bad, and to deliberately publish stories that would make Hillary look bad. That's a fact. In other words, the exact same scheme to secretly use the National enquirer as an arm of the Trump campaign had already been adjudicated before in the federal court system in 2018.

This will all be sorted out on appeal. For now you have won your felon status, but still it is not enough. You might even have him end up in prison. But I don't know if you will even be satisfied then?

These sentiments expressed above suggest to me that you believe I am operating out of bias, just because I won't entertain slander. That is true, but it's a positive prejudice that by grace through faith I see others and love others as myself.

I therefore do not like that Trump spreads slander about others and how he admires himself, and that's pretty much all he does. But what's more concerning is that I don't like seeing so many people get caught up in his unsubstantiated insinuations and how they speak against any that don't enjoin in the falsehood.

Although I want the truth to come out and I also want fair elections, I don't actually carry any sort of vendetta against Trump. I sincerely don't think he can help himself, nor can his supporters. I figure deceived people can't see. I also know God sees what goes on, and He will judge all of us according to His wisdom. To be clear I don't want to be subservient to the devil and I don't want you or anyone else to be either.

 

[ralliann]

You said this had never happened before. Yet during the Trump administration, Cohen plead guilty to being a participant in the same conspiracy to catch and kill any stories that made Trump look bad, and to deliberately publish stories that would make Hillary look bad. That's a fact. In other words, the exact same scheme to secretly use the National enquirer as an arm of the Trump campaign had already been adjudicated before in the federal court system in 2018.

These sentiments expressed above suggest to me that you believe I am operating out of bias, just because I won't entertain slander. That is true, but it's a positive prejudice that by grace through faith I see others and love others as myself. I therefore do not like that Trump spreads slander about others, and I don't like that so many people believe and repeat his insinuations and project the same cynicism. Although I want the truth to come out and I also want fair elections, I don't actually carry any sort of vendetta against Trump. I sincerely don't think he can help himself and besides God will judge all of us according to His wisdom. To be clear I don't want to be subservient to the devil and I don't want you or anyone else to be either.

You wont even listen to what the judge said himself. Why should anyone try and reason with you? Your judge got your guy. Might put him in prison. Yet you even disagree with him.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I was going to just monitor this thread.....but this begs a response:

Yup, they specifically don’t care about breaking laws as long as they can stop Trump.

As you later clarify that "they" are "Democrats", then you are insulting a group.

It is not that Democrats "don't care about breaking laws" but that they care about the rule of Law. That all are equal under the Law. That Trump gets equal justice under the law - and is held as responsible for it as everyone else would be. Trump flaunts the law and judge's orders all that he can. The gag rule is still in place as sentencing has not occurred yet, but does that matter to Trump? NO. He attacked the witnesses, one in particular, after the verdict. Bet he thinks it won't matter.

I have a lot of reasons for wanting Biden over Trump. Honestly, I don't know why people are so surprised that Trump was found guilty. His defense was pretty lousy. And his history does not show him to a such a wonderful fellow - as in the fraud involved with the Trump University, and the Trump foundation, and a long running tax fraud scheme. This time the fraud was criminal.