"Happy" Memorial Day?

[rambot]

I can understand if someone considers it so.

But you yourself have NO PROBLEM with what he tweeted...on Memorial Day? You felt that was appropriate post content for a rational, intelligent, former president on a day when a countries takes a moment to remember solidiers who died?

 

[wing2000]

I'm not a big fan of how someone can toss out the phrase "virtue signalling" in an attempt to gaslight an argument.

...apparently every president prior to DJT was "gaslighting" when they issued statements on Memorial Day.

 

[rambot]

...apparently every president prior to DJT was "gaslighting" when they issued statements on Memorial Day.

As SOON as you say something nice to anyone about anything, it's virtue signaling.

To be fair, it's pretty much every President since Memorial Day has been a thing that has just been virtue signalling.

 

[wing2000]

As SOON as you say something nice to anyone about anything, it's virtue signaling.

To be fair, it's pretty much every President since Memorial Day has been a thing that has just been virtue signalling.

Adams, the ultimate "virtue signaler"

John Adams said,

“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”[1]


[1] John Adams, “Letter from John Adams to Massachusetts Militia,” 11 October 1798.

 

[Zaha Torte]

But you yourself have NO PROBLEM with what he tweeted...on Memorial Day? You felt that was appropriate post content for a rational, intelligent, former president on a day when a countries takes a moment to remember solidiers who died?

I am not saying that at all.

The OP asked which of these men "did a better job at honouring the legacy of the fallen soldiers" and which "cares first and foremost for their country".

I believe that Trump both honors the fallen more and cares more about the country than Obama does.

I don't base my belief on a single Tweet - or a single PR piece - or empty platitudes - or virtual signaling.

I base it on actions and services rendered as POTUS.

I am not saying that I would have Tweeted that message out - but I am not Trump - and he has a habit of locking in in order to further expose corruption.

 

[rambot]

I am not saying that at all.

The OP asked which of these men "did a better job at honouring the legacy of the fallen soldiers" and which "cares first and foremost for their country".

I believe that Trump both honors the fallen more and cares more about the country than Obama does.

I have understood you believe that. It's just that "not going to war" is not a way to "honour" someone ELSE'S sacrifice. If you are HONOUR someone, you bestow honour ON them by doing something FOR them.

Trump didn't make the choice to not go to war to "honour" American soldiers.
Trump the anti-war president was always a myth

Calling Trump an Anti-Imperialist Is Nonsense

I base it on actions and services rendered as POTUS.

So when he refused to stand in the rain on Memorial Day, you believe that was also an act to honour those fallen solidiers?
He has, in press, disparaged the service and sacrifice of John McCain (it's been a while but I don't even recall democrats going after his war service when he was running for president). So the idea that he called dead soldiers losers and suckers, as reported by his chief of staff, makes 100% sense.

I don't htink someone who tried his damned and was successful at deferring his military duties 5 times, is going to have ANY honour or respect for military personel.

NOBODY would have thought the hippies throughout the 1960s were honouring solidiers in Vietnam by draft dodging.

I am not saying that I would have Tweeted that message out...

I'm not saying you would....I asked....
" You felt that was appropriate post content for a rational, intelligent, former president on a day when a countries takes a moment to remember solidiers who died?"

 

[FreeinChrist]

I am not saying that at all.

The OP asked which of these men "did a better job at honouring the legacy of the fallen soldiers" and which "cares first and foremost for their country".

I believe that Trump both honors the fallen more and cares more about the country than Obama does.

I don't base my belief on a single Tweet - or a single PR piece - or empty platitudes - or virtual signaling.

I base it on actions and services rendered as POTUS.

I am not saying that I would have Tweeted that message out - but I am not Trump - and he has a habit of locking in in order to further expose corruption.

I think this is delusional thinking. Trump doesn't care about the dead soldiers

Report: Trump disparaged US war dead as ‘losers,’ ‘suckers’

A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”

www.militarytimes.com

A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”​

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Trump said Thursday that the story is “totally false.”​

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The allegations were first reported in The Atlantic. A senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump’s comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.​

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https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly

Former President Trump didn't want to visit a cemetery near Paris for Americans who fought and died in World War I because it was filled with "suckers" and "losers," John Kelly, his longest-serving chief of staff, said in a statement to CNN on Monday.​

Why it matters: In the statement, Kelly supported this and several other instances of Trump disparaging service members that were reported by The Atlantic in 2020 and vehemently denied at the time by the Republican 2024 presidential front-runner.​

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Of note: Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin previously confirmed parts of The Atlantic's story, including his refusal to visit the Aisne-Marne Cemetery in France........​

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The Defense officials also confirmed to The AP reporting in The Atlantic that Trump on Memorial Day 2017 had gone with his chief of staff, John Kelly, to visit the Arlington Cemetery gravesite of Kelly’s son, Robert, who was killed in 2010 in Afghanistan, and said to Kelly: “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”​

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What a patriot.

It is no surprise Trump called the war dead those names. He calls his opponents "human scum" in the OP quote. He is a champion name-caller which is childish behavior. Trump makes up names about all he does not like or is opposing.

A number of Gold Star parents are unimpressed with Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/23/559558075/trump-call-controversy-renews-spotlight-on-gold-star-families

Myeshia Johnson, Sgt. Johnson's widow, told ABC's Good Morning America on Monday that the president "made me cry even worse" when he called her last week. She said she objected to Trump's tone and his confusion over her husband's name.​

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Trump told her "that 'he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts anyways,' " Johnson recalled. "It made me cry, because I was very angry at the tone of his voice and couldn't remember my husband's name."​

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I would say whichever one had less US soldiers die while they were POTUS.

So far that’s been Biden.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I think this is delusional thinking. Trump doesn't care about the dead soldiers

Report: Trump disparaged US war dead as ‘losers,’ ‘suckers’

A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”

www.militarytimes.com

A new report details multiple instances of President Donald Trump making disparaging remarks about members of the U.S. military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”​

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Trump said Thursday that the story is “totally false.”​

​

The allegations were first reported in The Atlantic. A senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer who was told about Trump’s comments confirmed some of the remarks to The Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.​

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https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly

Former President Trump didn't want to visit a cemetery near Paris for Americans who fought and died in World War I because it was filled with "suckers" and "losers," John Kelly, his longest-serving chief of staff, said in a statement to CNN on Monday.​

Why it matters: In the statement, Kelly supported this and several other instances of Trump disparaging service members that were reported by The Atlantic in 2020 and vehemently denied at the time by the Republican 2024 presidential front-runner.​

​

Of note: Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin previously confirmed parts of The Atlantic's story, including his refusal to visit the Aisne-Marne Cemetery in France........​

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The Defense officials also confirmed to The AP reporting in The Atlantic that Trump on Memorial Day 2017 had gone with his chief of staff, John Kelly, to visit the Arlington Cemetery gravesite of Kelly’s son, Robert, who was killed in 2010 in Afghanistan, and said to Kelly: “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”​

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What a patriot.

It is no surprise Trump called the war dead those names. He calls his opponents "human scum" in the OP quote. He is a champion name-caller which is childish behavior. Trump makes up names about all he does not like or is opposing.

A number of Gold Star parents are unimpressed with Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2017/10/23/559558075/trump-call-controversy-renews-spotlight-on-gold-star-families

Myeshia Johnson, Sgt. Johnson's widow, told ABC's Good Morning America on Monday that the president "made me cry even worse" when he called her last week. She said she objected to Trump's tone and his confusion over her husband's name.​

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Trump told her "that 'he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts anyways,' " Johnson recalled. "It made me cry, because I was very angry at the tone of his voice and couldn't remember my husband's name."​

A lot of unsubstantiated claims here.

 

[FreeinChrist]

A lot of unsubstantiated claims here.

Actually they are substantiated.

 

[Zaha Torte]

So far that’s been Biden.

That's a good point - and I do recall him frequently noting the time as he attended their dignified transfers.

 

[FreeinChrist]

That's a good point - and I do recall him frequently noting the time as he attended their dignified transfers.

Didn't see that in this video - 1:00 - 400

Trump went about 4 times then Pence was the one to go.

 

[probinson]

That's a good point - and I do recall him frequently noting the time as he attended their dignified transfers.

Heck, even Snopes had to concede that Biden checked his watch at least twice during those transfers.

Did Biden Check Watch Multiple Times During Transfer of Fallen Soldiers?

During the dignified transfer of U.S. soldiers killed in Afghanistan, U.S. President Joe Biden appeared to glance at his watch.

www.snopes.com

 

[Zaha Torte]

Didn't see that in this video - 1:00 - 400

Trump went about 4 times then Pence was the one to go.

That doesn't make what I said wrong.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

That's a good point - and I do recall him frequently noting the time as he attended their dignified transfers.

I’d rather have a bored president with minimal military deaths under his watch than one who thinks only of himself on Memorial Day.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I’d rather have a bored president with minimal military deaths under his watch than one who thinks only of himself on Memorial Day.

Checking his watch may not be about boredom but about responsibilities related to being the President. It is a busy job when done appropriately.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Checking his watch may not be about boredom but about responsibilities related to being the President. It is a busy job when done appropriately.

It should just be expected that something as benign as checking your watch is red meat for critics of the president.

 

[probinson]

It should just be expected that something as benign as checking your watch is red meat for critics of the president.

Ah yes, those rabid critics of the President at (checks source) ABC News reporting on the way the mothers of the fallen Gold Star soldiers felt disrespected by the President.

Three days after the bombing, the remains of all 13 service members arrived at Dover Air Force Base for the dignified transfer ceremony, where President Joe Biden was there to greet the families. Instead of feeling comforted, all three mothers described feeling disrespected.​

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"The administration didn't seem to know our story," Shamblin said. "They didn't seem to know Nicole's name, our names. People from the military certainly knew our story, Nicole's name, our names. And that was expressed to us in a way that felt very genuine and loving. But when it came to the people in suits, it felt disingenuous and hollow."​

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"First, he called me 'Ms. Lopez,' and I was not 'Mrs. Lopez,'" Briseno said. "And he just talk[ed] about his son and said how much he knows or he understand how we feel because he lost his kid and he didn't feel -- he didn't know how we feel because he was there with his son when he passed. We didn't have the privilege. We received our kids in a casket."​

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Briseno added that she felt the president made the encounter "all about him."​

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"We had decided as a family that we would not meet with the president, so we were actually in a room on the side," Barnett emphasized.​

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The family ultimately decided to go onto the tarmac, where Biden checked his watch multiple times.​

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"It was just total disrespect," Barnett said. "It's beyond disgusting."​

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Gold Star mother on Biden's conduct at dignified transfer ceremony: 'Total disrespect'

Three family members of service members killed in the Abbey Gate suicide bombing in Afghanistan share their grief and their calls for answers two years after the attack

abcnews.go.com

 

[Zaha Torte]

I’d rather have a bored president with minimal military deaths under his watch than one who thinks only of himself on Memorial Day.

I thought it was more about the obvious corruption in our system that disgraces every fallen soldier.

 

[RDKirk]

I served in uninform under six presidents through two major wars and whole bunch of minor conflicts.

I didn't join the military with the idea that the presidents I served under would keep us out of wars, and generally speaking, they didn't.

And as a soldier, I accepted the fact and position that determining why and who we fight is not my responsibility. If the president and Congress make that choice (and since the War Powers Resolution of 1974, both have been complicit in that choice), that's their Constitutional responsibility, not mine.

And, generally speaking, each president I served under allowed the military to fight in such a way as to reduce casualties while winning the fight.

Letting us do what we do the best way we can do it is the honor we want.