Justice Thomas raised crucial question about legitimacy of special counsel's prosecution of Trump

[o_mlly]

If there isn’t a legal mechanism to charge a former President, then ... there’s no legal way to charge them with crimes while they were President?

KInda an obvious consequent to your conditional.

It appears the only reason this prosecution proceeds is because a previous president seeks to legally be president again.

 

[The Barbarian]

Has nothing to do with Trump.

If you bring up liars, you put Trump on the table for the same reason that when you bring up scientists, you put Isaac Newton on the table.

 

[The Barbarian]

It appears the only reason this prosecution proceeds is because a previous president seeks to legally be president again.

The prosecution is precisely because he sought to illegally become president again. Reality is a harsh thing sometimes, but it is real. Try to find a way to live with it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Sounds like something that someone should bring up in the courts. I wonder why we hear these sorts of claims here but never in places like those where there are serious legal consequences for lying.

Because they are baloney.

While Fulton County "does not have" some ballot images from 2020, it is not really accurate to say that they are "missing", because the state only passed a law requiring the images be retained after that election had already taken place. The county does have the physical ballots themselves, and they've been counted three times, including once by hand.

 

[Postvieww]

Sounds like something that someone should bring up in the courts. I wonder why we hear these sorts of claims here but never in places like those where there are serious legal consequences for lying.

This is a current on going investigation by the election board. A little late but the truth will come out. All of this election denier hoop-la may need to hunt another fish to fry. There absolutely was fraud in the election. The only real question is how much. It looks real bad in Georgia. Do you think if they can prosecute Trump in Georgia for challenging a fraudulent election they could maybe prosecute those that committed the fraud. We shall see. Somebody deleted those ballot images required to be kept by law. I smell a rat in Georgia. BTW Fannie's case is falling apart and so are others. Not a good time for liberals right now.

 

[Postvieww]

The prosecution is precisely because he sought to illegally become president again. Reality is a harsh thing sometimes, but it is real. Try to find a way to live with it.

Reality is harsh! Where do you think those ballot images went? Potentially more than enough to have given Georgia to Trump. Looks like someone on that election board is actually doing their job.

 

[The Barbarian]

This is a current on going investigation by the election board. A little late but the truth will come out.

Already has. You see, the Secretary of State made sure that all the actual ballots were retained. So it doesn't matter if anyone took pictures of them, or not.

There absolutely was fraud in the election.

There was. The fake elector scheme. Some people (mostly Trump voters, would you like to see that?) voted illegally. But none of it was enough to change the results.

Do you think if they can prosecute Trump in Georgia for challenging a fraudulent election they could maybe prosecute those that committed the fraud.

They have. A number of Trump's cronies have already flipped and taken plea deals for their part in Trump's scheme. While there was election fraud such as Trump's attempt to get republicans to "find" more votes for him, the officials wouldn't cooperate in his fraud, and it failed.

The prosecution is precisely because he sought to illegally become president again. Reality is a harsh thing sometimes, but it is real. Try to find a way to live with it.

Where do you think those ballot images went?

A number of counties never took them. However, the Georgia Secretary of State still has the original ballots. So much for your story. Don't be so gullible.

Looks like someone on that election board is actually doing their job.

Yep. To Trump's dismay. Try to find a way to live with the reality. It's not the only state where prosecutors are rounding up the people who committed voter fraud...

Full List of Trump Fake Electors in Each State And the Charges Against Them​

Full list of Trump fake electors in each state and the charges against them

Michigan has become the first state to charge GOP figures with an alleged plot to install fake election officials to wrongly declare Trump had won in 2020.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

Actually nothing failed you mistakenly felt you had explained it all away but you failed miserably.

And yet you dug up a whole new distracting bit of unsourced nonsense and posted it to (I believe) more than one thread. I can see you flopping on the dock.

 

[Postvieww]

And yet you dug up a whole new distracting bit of unsourced nonsense

How is video from the actual election board unsourced? You try too hard to spin.

 

[RDKirk]

Sounds like something that someone should bring up in the courts. I wonder why we hear these sorts of claims here but never in places like those where there are serious legal consequences for lying.

It's only been in the last few weeks that I've learned where your avatar is from.

 

[o_mlly]

The prosecution is precisely because he sought to illegally become president again.

? Of the 4 criminal prosecution against Trump, none have indicted him for illegally running for President in the 2024 election.

 

[The Barbarian]

The prosecution is precisely because he sought to illegally become president again.

? Of the 4 criminal prosecution against Trump,

Four. A new record for a fired ex-president. Actually, a record for any ex-president. Actually, 1 would have been a record for any ex-president.

none have indicted him for illegally running for President in the 2024 election.

But at least one is for trying to illegally overthrow the election of the candidate who actually won. He's indicted precisely because he sought to illegally become president again.

 

[The Barbarian]

And yet you dug up a whole new distracting bit of unsourced nonsense and posted it to (I believe) more than one thread. I can see you flopping on the dock.

I suspect he didn't know he was being played. It's true that some counties didn't take pictures of every ballot, but on the other hand, the actual ballots remain in the custody of the state of Georgia so it's a moot point. This is particularly true since the counties were not required at that time to make images of the ballots:

Georgia Rule 183-1-12-.13 containing sections (a), (b) and (c) and pertaining to the storage of ballot returns in state elections and primaries can be seen (here). It was amended in October and November 2021, adding sections (a)(1) and (a)(2) for further clarification.
Michael T. Morley, Sheila M. McDevitt Professor of Law at Florida State University College of Law, explained to Reuters, “it appears that, at the time of the 2020 election, nothing in Rule 183-1-12-.13 expressly required election officials themselves to keep either the original electronic ballot images, or an electronic copy of them, after the period for requesting a recount had elapsed to make them available for public inspection.”
He told Reuters the amended rule now “appears to resolve any potential ambiguity or uncertainty about the scope of election officials' obligation to themselves retain a copy of ballot images.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fulton-ballot/fact-check-claims-that-17690-ballot-images-from-the-2020-presidential-election-are-missing-in-fulton-county-georgia-idUSL1N2S31Z0/

 

[Hans Blaster]

How is video from the actual election board unsourced? You try too hard to spin.

There was no video in the post I responded to where this claim came out of nowhere. I haven't looked at any of the videos anyone has posted to it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I suspect he didn't know he was being played. It's true that some counties didn't take pictures of every ballot, but on the other hand, the actual ballots remain in the custody of the state of Georgia so it's a moot point.

The decision to post another off-topic and irrelevant distraction is a choice, whether you know it is false, have been conned, or just don't know about the truthiness of it.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Obviously Thomas prefers "technicalities" instead of truth.

His wife's support of the insurrection should require him to recuse himself.

So, women must adhere to their husband's opinions? They are not allowed to express themselves without some man's permission?
I don't know many conservatives who would go that far...

 

[essentialsaltes]

They are not allowed to express themselves without some man's permission?

Ugh, of course not.

But if a judge's wife is involved in the subject of a case before the judge, the judge must ethically recuse him- or herself.

Ginni Thomas' involvement in fake elector schemes and claims of election fraud (among other things) raises a serious concern if such a case were to come before SCOTUS.

 

[Postvieww]

But if a judge's wife is involved in the subject of a case before the judge, the judge must ethically recuse him- or herself.

Do you feel the same way about Trump’s current Judge! I bet not. It is about ethics right?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Do you feel the same way about Trump’s current Judge! I bet not. It is about ethics right?

Is his wife employed by the accounts payable part of the Trump machine, or did Stormy Daniels also allege an affair with his wife?

How is she (or any relative you want to name) involved in the matter before the court?

 

[The Barbarian]

Ugh, of course not.

But if a judge's wife is involved in the subject of a case before the judge, the judge must ethically recuse him- or herself.

Ginni Thomas' involvement in fake elector schemes and claims of election fraud (among other things) raises a serious concern if such a case were to come before SCOTUS.

Absolutely. Can you imagine the howls of outrage on the right if it were a moderate judge whose wife was actively discouraging the insurrection?