SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[Belk]

Did you totally miss the part where professionals ARE the ones driving the changes? One would have to be pretty uninformed anymore not to know this. I going to go out on a limb here and day I doubt very much that experts in Europe are a bunch of people who are opposed to LGBT rights.

Wait, I thought they were duping parents? Which is it, are they opposed to treatment or are they tricking parents into incorrect treatments for their children?

And I would bet they aren't a bunch of rank amatures either. Do you consider them as such?

Them? No. The same people oppressed to all progress for the queer community? Yes.

A new organization has formed among therapists. It's called Therapy First. Right now they have over 300 therapists. They all oppose Affirmitve Care therapy due to the lack of evidence and the evidence that medicalization is harmful. Do you consider them rank amatures and against LGBT rights?

I'm also sure that Dr. Cass is a quack who opposes LGBT rights as well?

Would that be accurate in your estimation? Or are you just lost on real arguments so you have to make broad meaningless accusations?

Odd, then, that there were numerous experts who testified against this legislation. I guess it is easier to oppose gay rights when some few people with degrees that have the same ideological bent. Seen a few to many warnings of "gays ruining society" to see this as anything other then a continuation.

 

[ozso]

Is this somehow supposed to be a refutation that the same people who opposed every hint at progress for LGBTQ are the ones once again opposing this? Crying wolf once again is not exactly a new story.

This is agreeing with a child protection law.

 

[Belk]

This is agreeing with a child protection law.

Indeed. We will make the gay illegal so it can't infect other people's children. That will surely stop it.

 

[ozso]

Indeed. We will make the gay illegal so it can't infect other people's children. That will surely stop it.

Nope. It's just a child protection law. Trying to turn it into something it's not is an invalid and disingenuous argument.

 

[Belk]

Nope. It's just a child protection law. Trying to turn it into something it's not is an invalid and disingenuous argument.

Pull the other one, it has bells on.

 

[ozso]

Pull the other one, it has bells on.

I don't know what that means. I do know however that no one can seem to argue against this child protection law in a straightforward manner free of gimmicks and red hearings.

 

[Laodicean60]

This is the same reason we should let infants drink and drive cars. Not at the same time, of course, but as something which will develop into adults we need to treat them as such now.

Not to mention how we let fetuses vote, because "every" one of the develops into an adult.

We are in trouble if you believe what you just wrote. They have mental health professionals who treat lunacy.

 

[ozso]

Imagine medical research has developed a new treatment for cancer. Initial studies show it is effective, and this is borne out over 5 years of additional research. Should we get the government involved to make using that treatment on children illegal because it doesn't have a 20 year track record of no negative side effects?

That's not the case at all when it comes to puberty blockers, mastectomies, hysterectomies and castration on children. Try coming up with a more equivalent comparison.

 

[RileyG]

That's not the case at all when it comes to puberty blockers, mastectomies, hysterectomies and castration on children. Try coming up with a more equivalent comparison.

Besides, cancer treatment and “gender affirming care” aren’t even remotely the same. GAC is more or less cosmetic surgery, it doesn’t change you into the opposite sex, because that is not biologically possible. It just mutilates the body and floods the body with hormones. No child needs that.

 

[rjs330]

I'm not averse to letting puberty kids take hormones

You aren't adverse? Is this an informed opinion or the opinion of a rank amature? And if it's informed does your information match what's being done in other countries and suppirted by science and the therapeutic community?

 

[rjs330]

I’m told here nearly every day that your God is “real”.

Nice dodge. Especially when we aren't talking about God. Changing the subject isn't an answer and is just more evidence of the lack of real arguments you have.

 

[rjs330]

Ah yes, the common conservative rallying cry of "our government needs to follow the lead of European countries on national health care decisions".

Once again I refer you to what other countries have done in reference to this. It's not about who pays for it. It's about the ending of medicalization and the affirmative care model after it was discovered to be ineffective and unsupported by the junk research. A scientific and therapeutic decision. Not based on if the government should be paying for by Healthcare. Nice try though.

 

[rjs330]

Hey look, empty assertions followed by pretending there's something wrong with me for questioning them.

That's not the way to make people think a post has anything of substance to say.

Oh good grief. All the facts have been posted umpteen times. This isn't the only trans thread you've been a part of. If you ignored them in the other threads you'll ignore them in this one. N9 reason to post them again. In fact in this thread I posted some findings of the Cass Report. You ignored that too. You've ignored videos of therapists that were posted, Swedish research videos, articles, the WPATH files, British Science Journals, etc etc. That's on you dude.

 

[rjs330]

The article linked in the OP seems to disagree :

“There are some things in the nature of creation — male and female is one of them — that gets beyond what you believe and I believe,” Republican Sen. Richard Cash said on the Senate floor before debate began Thursday. “It’s rooted in creation; it’s rooted in the creator and those who opposed that are opposing in some sense the nature of creation itself.”​

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Doctors and parents testified before committees in both the House and Senate that people younger than 18 do not receive gender-transition surgeries in South Carolina and hormone treatments begin only after extensive consultation with health professionals.​

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They said the treatments can be lifesaving, allowing young transgender people to live more fulfilling lives. Research has shown that transgender youth and adults are prone to stress, depression and suicidal behavior when forced to live as the sex they were assigned at birth.​

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You know good and well that lawmakers don't just listen to those that testify in a hearing. They do thier own research. We've seen hearings on everything from abortions to smoking Bans to environmental issues to the pipelines. And legislators also oay attention to other things besides who sits and speaks. You know there were gearing about motorcycle helmet laws and tge testimony against them was overwhelming, but they did it anyway. We know that many medical professionals in the US are still on the trans train. They spout "research" that has been proven to be junk science. That's why this is necessary. If medical professionals won't protect kids and follow the findings then someone has to do it. You know that they were still trying to say these treatments save lives? What a joke. There is absolutely no research that proves that. If medical professionals in the US refuse to follow the world wide research and communities then I don't know what to say. Do you know the Pediatrics Association has REFUSED to look into this. Same goes for Endocrine Society despite members asking them to do tge systematic review. There is something very wrong here when medical professionals refuse to review the research.

 

[rjs330]

Wait, I thought they were duping parents? Which is it, are they opposed to treatment or are they tricking parents into incorrect treatments for their children?

WPATH is duping the parents and duped the medical fields who were leaning on thier so calked expertise. The medical experts in Europe have realized now that WPATH actually was duping everyone. Unfortunately the US medical fueld refuses to look into it. Well, some are but by and large they are not.

 

[Belk]

I don't know what that means. I do know however that no one can seem to argue against this child protection law in a straightforward manner free of gimmicks and red hearings.

It means I do not find your claims credible.

 

[RileyG]

Nice dodge. Especially when we aren't talking about God. Changing the subject isn't an answer and is just more evidence of the lack of real arguments you have.

Apparently trans is all about feelings, what I feel like. I can say I feel like I’m Asian even though I’m white. Does that make me Asian? How is that argument any different from transgenderism?

 

[Belk]

WPATH is duping the parents and duped the medical fields who were leaning on thier so calked expertise. The medical experts in Europe have realized now that WPATH actually was duping everyone. Unfortunately the US medical fueld refuses to look into it. Well, some are but by and large they are not.

Gosh. If only the AMA had the expertise of those who continuously decry anything the LGBTQ community does. I'm sure the prognostications of doom will come true any day now.

 

[RileyG]

You know good and well that lawmakers don't just listen to those that testify in a hearing. They do thier own research. We've seen hearings on everything from abortions to smoking Bans to environmental issues to the pipelines. And legislators also oay attention to other things besides who sits and speaks. You know there were gearing about motorcycle helmet laws and tge testimony against them was overwhelming, but they did it anyway. We know that many medical professionals in the US are still on the trans train. They spout "research" that has been proven to be junk science. That's why this is necessary. If medical professionals won't protect kids and follow the findings then someone has to do it. You know that they were still trying to say these treatments save lives? What a joke. There is absolutely no research that proves that. If medical professionals in the US refuse to follow the world wide research and communities then I don't know what to say. Do you know the Pediatrics Association has REFUSED to look into this. Same goes for Endocrine Society despite members asking them to do tge systematic review. There is something very wrong here when medical professionals refuse to review the research.

I think a lot of doctors and researchers are being pressured by the trans activist to ignore the long term effects of gender affirming care and hormone therapy. It’s sickening.

 

[Belk]

Apparently trans is all about feelings, what I feel like. I can say I feel like I’m Asian even though I’m white. Does that make me Asian? How is that argument any different from transgenderism?

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

Gender identity haunts every aspect of our lives, dictating the outcomes of our conversations, our workplaces, our relationships – even our bath products. Before most infants are named, they are assigned a sex based on the appearance of their external genitalia by a third party. These decisions...

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Let us know when the DSM gets an entry for "feeling Asian".