Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

[BPPLEE]

Not just "MadCow" it seems. This is why you are confused over how the plan and repayment was illegal and everyone else has grasped the basics.

I’m not confused. But MSNBC is nothing but propaganda

 

[camille70]

It’s the exact same thing

“By intentionally obscuring their payments through Perkins Coie and failing to publicly disclose the true purpose of those payments,” the campaign and DNC “were able to avoid publicly reporting on their statutorily required FEC disclosure forms the fact that they were paying Fusion GPS to perform opposition research on Trump with the intent of influencing the outcome of the 2016 presidential election,” the initial complaint had read.

The complaint was filed by the Coolidge Regan Foundation against Hillary, the DNC, Fusion GPS, Marc Elias, Perkins Coie and Christopher Steele. All the complaints were dismissed except the one for Hillary and her treasurer and the DNC and their treasurer. They basically decided to pay the fine instead of spending more in legal costs to to clear it up.

She hired Perkins, they hired Fusion GPS and Fusion hired Steele. The FEC found there was probable cause she may have violated the rules, that legal expenses was too vague and it should have specially mentioned oppo research since that is what Fusion was doing, even though didn’t hire them directly and they don't usually list payments to subcontractors they dont hire directly. She said she listed everything properly and filed the proper reports. There is nothing to indicate she was trying to HIDE what she was paying the lawyers to do or that there would have been cause to. Oppo research is a standard campaign expense.


What Trump and Cohen did was different, how Cohen was reimbursed was different and tax fraud, as the video I posted explains.

 

[BPPLEE]

The complaint was filed by the Coolidge Regan Foundation against Hillary, the DNC, Fusion GPS, Marc Elias, Perkins Coie and Christopher Steele. All the complaints were dismissed except the one for Hillary and her treasurer and the DNC and their treasurer. They basically decided to pay the fine instead of spending more in legal costs to to clear it up.

She hired Perkins, they hired Fusion GPS and Fusion hired Steele. The FEC found there was probable cause she may have violated the rules, that legal expenses was too vague and it should have specially mentioned oppo research since that is what Fusion was doing, even though didn’t hire them directly and they don't usually list payments to subcontractors they dont hire directly. She said she listed everything properly and filed the proper reports. There is nothing to indicate she was trying to HIDE what she was paying the lawyers to do or that there would have been cause to. Oppo research is a standard campaign expense.


What Trump and Cohen did was different, how Cohen was reimbursed was different and tax fraud, as the video I posted explains.

You are correct, there is a difference

 

[discombobulated1]

Yep.

No one is above the law - A president nor a former president who broke the law should be held accountable as any citizen would be.

Are you including presidents who make money off fake businesses involving foreign countries and makes his family rich from it?

or are those types indeed above the law?

 

[discombobulated1]

BINGO!

America will never pardon presidential bribery

Yay, Comer!

 

[A2SG]

Are you including presidents who make money off fake businesses involving foreign countries and makes his family rich from it?

or are those types indeed above the law?

Nope.

If evidence of a crime is found, it should be prosecuted. Guilt would then be determined by a court of law.

-- A2SG, that's how it works...

 

[DaisyDay]

He’s hardly squeaky clean but the optics are that he’s not being treated fairly. And it’s working in his favor so far

Do you think Cohen was treated fairly?

 

[BPPLEE]

Do you think Cohen was treated fairly?

I’m talking about how things appear, not if they’re actually fair. Appearances are playing in Trump’s favor.
I don’t know much about Cohen except that he’s a lawyer so he should have been aware of the law

 

[Hans Blaster]

Clinton campaign gives money to lawyers, lists expense as legal fees when it was actually a campaign related expense
Trump Organization gives money to lawyer, lists expense as legal fees when it was actually a campaign related expense.
But you are saying paying for the dossier was not illegal but paying Daniels was. Is that the difference you are pointing out?

Which, if anything, would violate the campaign finance laws by falsely stating the purpose of a payment to a vendor. If the law firm then falsified *their* records about the nature of that payment and did so in NY then they could have been charged potentially with the same crime as Trump. As far as I can tell from this example (which I have heard about before) the ones making the false entry were the Clinton campaign by misstating the purpose of payment.

 

[wing2000]

The testimony showed that they had been burying negative stories for years, long before Trump was running for president and that this was done for other celebrities like Tiger Woods, which had nothing to do with elections

Yes, that was the NI business model. Indeed, Pecker was also a long time friend and associate of Trump. Did Pecker testify these transactions "had nothing to do with elections"?

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, that was the NI business model. Indeed, Pecker was also a long time friend and associate of Trump. Did Pecker testify these transactions "had nothing to do with elections"?

I don't know if that was asked, obviously the Stormy Daniels story was unfavorable for the election

 

[A2SG]

I don't know if that was asked, obviously the Stormy Daniels story was unfavorable for the election

Apparently, it doesn't seem like it would have been. Given that Trump's supporters seem more than willing to go to any lengths to excuse any and all of the crimes he's been accused of, and didn't even bat an eye when the Access Hollywood clip came out, seems having an affair wouldn't have even remotely been a problem for them.

Maybe he should have saved his money, and now he'd have at least one less indictment.

-- A2SG, guess he overestimated how concerned his base is about morality.....

 

[Pommer]

I’m not confused. But MSNBC is nothing but propaganda

Right, but you gotta pay attention to it to be able to counter propaganda more effectively than, “it’s propaganda”.
But, then again, here we are.

 

[Pommer]

Apparently, it doesn't seem like it would have been. Given that Trump's supporters seem more than willing to go to any lengths to excuse any and all of the crimes he's been accused of, and didn't even bat an eye when the Access Hollywood clip came out, seems having an affair wouldn't have even remotely been a problem for them

I seem to recall that Trump won becuase of about 70,000 votes spread across several states, such a story might’ve cost him the Amish vote?

 

[BPPLEE]

Apparently, it doesn't seem like it would have been. Given that Trump's supporters seem more than willing to go to any lengths to excuse any and all of the crimes he's been accused of, and didn't even bat an eye when the Access Hollywood clip came out, seems having an affair wouldn't have even remotely been a problem for them.

Maybe he should have saved his money, and now he'd have at least one less indictment.

-- A2SG, guess he overestimated how concerned his base is about morality.....

Sounds like charges should be dropped then

 

[A2SG]

Sounds like charges should be dropped then

Maybe Trump should change his plea to "not guilty by reason of irony."

-- A2SG, doubt it will work, but if he doesn't have a better defense, why not?

 

[essentialsaltes]

We may find out sooner rather than later.

Secret Service prepares for if Trump is jailed for contempt in hush money case​

The Secret Service declined to comment on specific plans in the matter.

Contempt for Ordinary Justice Undermines Position of Trump

The judge in Trump’s N.Y. hush money trial Tuesday found the former president in contempt for his critical public statements as proceedings entered their third week.

“The court finds the people have met their burden of proof and have demonstrated contempt. Mr. Trump is fined $1,000 on each of those two,” Justice Juan Merchan said in his written decision, referring to one set of alleged gag order violations.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Contempt for Ordinary Justice Undermines Position of Trump

The judge in Trump’s N.Y. hush money trial Tuesday found the former president in contempt for his critical public statements as proceedings entered their third week.

“The court finds the people have met their burden of proof and have demonstrated contempt. Mr. Trump is fined $1,000 on each of those two,” Justice Juan Merchan said in his written decision, referring to one set of alleged gag order violations.

I can't imagine he's overly worried about it. He's probably got that much in loose change under his sofa cushions.

 

[wing2000]

I can't imagine he's overly worried about it. He's probably got that much in loose change under his sofa cushions.

IMO, the fines serve as a warning. If Trump's behavior continues, the judge may go to the next step....a day or two in confinement (...and it seems that's want Trump wants...)

 

[essentialsaltes]

IMO, the fines serve as a warning. If Trump's behavior continues, the judge may go to the next step....a day or two in confinement (...and it seems that's want Trump wants...)

The nine incidents represent seven posts and reposts on Truth Social and two posts on Trump’s campaign website. He was fined $1,000 for each violation, must pay the fine by the close of business Friday and must remove the posts by 2:15 p.m. today.

Merchan also threatened incarceration if Trump willfully violates the gag order again.

"THEREFORE, Defendant is hereby warned that the Court will not tolerate continued willful violations of its lawful orders and that if necessary and appropriate under the circumstances, it will impose an incarceratory punishment," he wrote.