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18 indicted in Arizona, along with one "unindicted co-conspirator."

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Your gut reactions are rooted in political bias. You assume that "liberals" brought this prosection.
The fact is, there are many Republicans who stood up for our elections and my vote in the 2020 election.
Agreed. It seems like Trump has gaslighted @Vambram . By the way, Vambram is a great guy, and we both enjoy Christianity and Star Trek, even though he and I have our political differences.

Guardian on Trump's Gaslighting: I am grateful to Trump for one thing: mainstreaming ‘gaslighting’ | Emma Brockes
 
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Your apparent faith in politicians of the Democratic Party is amazing.
It's not about politicians, it is about knowledge of the time it takes to investigate white collar crime. They don't usually arrest people the next week (or month).
 
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Okay fine. The Arizona AG waited almost two years? Why?????
Election timing. There will be more of these in the next few months as political theater. It's never been anything but political theater.

I wish we had one good candidate to vote for in the upcoming election. Actually we do, but most people have locked themselves into Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum. So that's what we're gonna get. Thank you all.
 
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It's not about politicians, it is about knowledge of the time it takes to investigate white collar crime. They don't usually arrest people the next week (or month).
Yeah yeah, I'm sure that the timing ain't coincidental at all. [sarcasm]
 
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Thank you for your kindness. However, I know for a fact that Trump has not gaslighted me.
You are welcome. While we may disagree 80% of the time, I try to look past politics and at the person themselves. Hey, we both agree on a lot of the news articles that I post, and we are both pro-lifers for the most part (except when mother and baby are both at risk of dying).

But, please be careful with the rich and powerful, cos they will play us like a fiddle. I will pray that the powerful will not mess with you or I. Trump (and even Biden to an extent) are both powerful men. If we want to have a freer America, we should be going for the smaller guys such as Chris Christie or Nikki Haley (for Republicans) or Pete Buttigieg (for Democrats).
 
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You are welcome. While we may disagree 80% of the time, I try to look past politics and at the person themselves. Hey, we both agree on a lot of the news articles that I post, and we are both pro-lifers for the most part (except when mother and baby are both at risk of dying).

But, please be careful with the rich and powerful, cos they will play us like a fiddle. I will pray that the powerful will not mess with you or I. Trump (and even Biden to an extent) are both powerful men. If we want to have a freer America, we should be going for the smaller guys such as Chris Christie or Nikki Haley (for Republicans) or Pete Buttigieg (for Democrats).
Chris Christie and Nikki Haley are both corrupted by those who are also financially supporting the Democratic-Republican uni-party in my opinion.
 
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Chris Christie and Nikki Haley are both corrupted by those who are also financially supporting the Democratic-Republican uni-party in my opinion.
Everyone can be corrupted, but I feel these two are the least corrupted of the bunch. I actually voted for Christie during the primaries, cos that was my protest vote against Trump. I should have gone with Nikki instead, but both Nikki and Christie are realists.

Well, Nikki is pro-life: Haley Campaign Press Release - Fact Check: Haley's Pro-Life Position Will Save as Many Babies and Help as Many Moms as Possible | The American Presidency Project

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Yeah yeah, I'm sure that the timing ain't coincidental at all. [sarcasm]

Well frankly, the prior AZ AG (Mark Bernovich (2020-22) was negligent in choosing not to investigate the fake electors sooner. Alas, he had his eyes on running as governor in 2022 and didn't have the guts to stand up for the law.
 
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Looks like to me that the liberals in Arizona waited almost 3 1/2 years here. I wonder why? As Arsenio Hall used to say, "Things that make you go, hmm."
What's the appropriate amount of time?
 
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By the way, Vambram is a great guy, and we both enjoy Christianity and Star Trek, even though he and I have our political differences.
I'm glad he's got some good traits!

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Yeah yeah, I'm sure that the timing ain't coincidental at all. [sarcasm]
With so many trials brewing against Trump, odds were actually very good that the AZ indictments or something notable would arrive during a Trump trial.

The man is a criminal.
 
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But, please be careful with the rich and powerful, cos they will play us like a fiddle. I will pray that the powerful will not mess with you or I. Trump (and even Biden to an extent) are both powerful men. If we want to have a freer America, we should be going for the smaller guys such as Chris Christie or Nikki Haley (for Republicans) or Pete Buttigieg (for Democrats).
I like the sentiment but Christie and Haley and Buttugieg seem to inhabit the same swamp with the crocodile and the alligator and their billionaire sponsors.
 
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II. THE CONSPIRACY AND SCHEME. (pg 13)

In Arizona, and the United States, the people elected Joseph Biden as President on November 3, 2020. Unwilling to accept this fact, Defendants and unindicted coconspirators schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency to keep Unindicted Coconspirator 1 [Trump] in office against the will of Arizona's voters. This scheme would have deprived Arizona voters of their right to vote and have their votes counted.
After the general election on November 3, 2020, Defendants raised false claims of widespread election fraud in Arizona to pressure election officials to change the outcome of a democratic election. Those efforts failed when the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, Secretary of State, and Governor certified Arizona's election. Republican Presidential Elector Defendants then voted for President Donald Trump and Vice President Michael Pence on December 14, 2020, falsely claiming to be the ((duly elected and qualified Electors for President and Vice President of the United States from the State of Arizona."
Defendants deceived the citizens of Arizona by falsely claiming that those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. In reality, Defendants intended that their false votes for TrumpPence would encourage Pence to reject the Biden-Harris votes on January 6, 13 2021, regardless of the outcome of the legal challenge. When combined with the six other States where Republican electors sent in uncertified votes for TrumpPence, Defendants wanted Pence to either declare Unindicted Coconspirator 1 the winner of the election, delay the proceeding and have individual state legislatures determine their electors, or have Congress resolve any claimed uncertainty about the validity of election results in Arizona and six other states in Unindicted Coconspirator 1's favor. The scheme failed when Vice President Michael Pence accepted all certified Biden-Harris votes on January 6, 2021.

 
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