Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

[Job 33:6]

Look, I found the Theory of Evolution...

Enki then advises that they create a servant of the gods, humankind, out of clay and blood. Against Enki's wish, the gods decide to slay Kingu, and Enki finally consents to use Kingu's blood to make the first human, with whom Enki always later has a close relationship, the first of the seven sages, seven wise men or "Abgallu" (ab = water, gal = great, lu = man), also known as Adapa. Enki assembles a team of divinities to help him, creating a host of "good and princely fashioners". He tells his mother:

Enki - Wikipedia

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We are descended from Kingu's Blood! Case closed.

Ancient Near east context does not mean that the Bible is copying other ancient near east narratives. I'm not sure who told you that or who you've been learning about Biblical context from, but sounds like you may have been educated by atheists or something.

I'd recommend the following Old Testament Evangelical scholar. He and another PHD of Dallas Seminary (a very conservative background) have written a book on the subject, and here is a simple interview with one of them:

 

[olgamc]

Domestic pet dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) do not show a preference to contrafreeload, but are willing - Scientific Reports

Contrafreeloading is the behavior of working for food when also provided with identical food that does not require effort to obtain. This behavior has been observed in humans and non-human animals, including domesticated species. In the current investigation, we assessed whether companion...

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Canis lupus.

Ok. Has it always been canis lupus?

 

[Job 33:6]

Ok. Has it always been canis lupus?

Has it always been identified as just 1 species and not 2?

 

[Qubit]

Maybe you haven't read Genesis before?

There you go with that hubris again. Try communicating without the ego and insults. Maybe folks will take you seriously.

6 And God said, “Let there be an expanse[a] in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 And God made[b] the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse.

The original 'Waters' is what Science calls a Worldsheet...

This is before the universe was even created. The Worldsheet was swept into a World Volume. The World Volume is what the 'expanse' in your verse is.

• The 'Waters Below' is the dimensional barrier separating us from the Underworld/Abys, etc. In other words, it is a 2D/3D barrier.
• The 'Waters Above' is the dimensional barrier separating us from the Spirit Realm. In other words, it is a 3D/4D barrier.

The 'Waters' was *not* Earth's oceans as so many wrongly presume. It is this...

In the Bible, the abyss is an unfathomably deep or boundless place. The term comes from the Greek word abyssos (Ancient Greek: ἄβῠσσος, romanized: ábussos), meaning "bottomless, unfathomable, boundless".

Abyss (religion) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Genesis describes cutting edge M-Theory. It is above most people's heads.

The waters above are above the raqia.

Correct. However, the raquia is *not* a thin glass dome as shown in your diagram. The raquia is where the Sun, Moon and Stars exist.

Your diagram shows the Sun, Moon and Stars existing in Earth's atmosphere where the clouds are. I mean come on, that is seriously stupid. Do I even need to go there?

Quoting revelation, a text written over a thousand years later, is reading out of context.

What an odd thing for a supposed "Christian" to say. The entire Bible is the context. Nothing in Genesis contradicts the rest of the Christian Bible, or Science for that matter.

No, the diagram shows the waters above the raqia. That's why the waters are depicted above the sky.

Again, Genesis teaches that outer space and Earth's atmosphere are the same thing. In other words, they are the same Heaven.

Check your Hebrew, the birds fly across the face of the raqia of the sky.

Genesis 1:20 Hebrew Text Analysis

biblehub.com

And your point is?

God resides in the realm of heavenly beings.

Nope. God exists outside of the Three Heavens.

I don't see this mattering to the discussion.

It is in your diagram, so of course it matters since you brought it up. I am simply pointing out your errors.

It's describing God creating the earth by drawing out a flat circle on the face of the deep.

Your diagram shows Earth already created with oceans. If your statement was true, the diagram would just show a piece of paper with a circle on it, not an entire Cosmos.

No, you're just making your own errors, one after another.

You have yet to prove that.

 

[Qubit]

Ancient Near east context does not mean that the Bible is copying other ancient near east narratives.

Correct.

I'm not sure who told you that...

Who said that someone did?

...or who you've been learning about Biblical context from...

Unlike you, I learn Biblical context from the Bible, not from 'what ancient people believed'.

...but sounds like you may have been educated by atheists or something.

You are the one posting atheist concepts and Satanic imagery, not me. Project much?

I'd recommend the following Old Testament Evangelical scholar.

I do not follow teachings of Man, nor do I recommend it. I watched enough of that video to discover numerous problems.

I recommend following the teachings of the Word of God.

 

[Job 33:6]

There you go with that hubris again. Try communicating without the ego and insults. Maybe folks will take you seriously.



The original 'Waters' is what Science calls a Worldsheet...

This is before the universe was even created. The Worldsheet was swept into a World Volume. The World Volume is what the 'expanse' in your verse is.

• The 'Waters Below' is the dimensional barrier separating us from the Underworld/Abys, etc. In other words, it is a 2D/3D barrier.
• The 'Waters Above' is the dimensional barrier separating us from the Spirit Realm. In other words, it is a 3D/4D barrier.

The Bible was written thousands of years ago. It's not a science textbook.

The 'Waters' was *not* Earth's oceans as so many wrongly presume. It is this...

In the Bible, the abyss is an unfathomably deep or boundless place. The term comes from the Greek word abyssos (Ancient Greek: ἄβῠσσος, romanized: ábussos), meaning "bottomless, unfathomable, boundless".

Nope. It's talking about regular water. That's why Genesis says that the waters below the raqia were gathered to form the seas. That's why it's called "water". Thankfully the Biblical authors made it clear for us by calling it what it is.

Abyss (religion) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Genesis describes cutting edge M-Theory. It is above most people's heads.

Nah, you're just making that up.

Correct. However, the raquia is *not* a thin glass dome as shown in your diagram. The raquia is where the Sun, Moon and Stars exist.

Yes, the stars are set in the raqia. And the waters above are above the stars.

Your diagram shows the Sun, Moon and Stars existing in Earth's atmosphere where the clouds are. I mean come on, that is seriously stupid. Do I even need to go there?

If you want to call ancient isrealites (including Moses) "stupid", that's your own choice. I wouldn't recommend it though.

What an odd thing for a supposed "Christian" to say. The entire Bible is the context. Nothing in Genesis contradicts the rest of the Christian Bible, or Science for that matter.

The Bible is a compilation of dozens of books written over many centuries. It doesn't have a single contextual background. An odd thing for a person to say if they had allegedly studied the subject before.

Again, Genesis teaches that outer space and Earth's atmosphere are the same thing. In other words, they are the same Heaven.

No, it doesn't. The raqia is not the same thing as the sky. That's why the Bible has verses that describe the raqia of the sky, and describe both independently in the same verses.

And your point is?

Birds do not fly in the raqia. They fly across the face of it and below it.

Nope. God exists outside of the Three Heavens.

Not in the old testament.

It is in your diagram, so of course it matters since you brought it up. I am simply pointing out your errors.

Wrong again

Your diagram shows Earth already created with oceans. If your statement was true, the diagram would just show a piece of paper with a circle on it, not an entire Cosmos.

The diagram of course is after God drew the circle on the face of the deep.

You have yet to prove that.

It's quite evident.

 

[Job 33:6]

Correct.



Who said that someone did?



Unlike you, I learn Biblical context from the Bible, not from 'what ancient people believed'.



You are the one posting atheist concepts and Satanic imagery, not me. Project much?

Says the guy who is talking about people being made of demon blood? Go look in a mirror. I'm just quoting the Bible.

I do not follow teachings of Man, nor do I recommend it. I watched enough of that video to discover numerous problems.

I recommend following the teachings of the Word of God.

I'd recommend studying the Bible and it's ancient near east context, rather than listening to mans weird scientific 21st century ideas about "world sheets".

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, I'm not about to pick fleas off people's back. : O)

Well maybe your not descended from apes after all because I hear that’s one of their favorite pastimes.

 

[Job 33:6]

 

[Qubit]

The Bible was written thousands of years ago. It's not a science textbook.

You are the one claiming that Science does not agree with the Bible. Talk about preaching what the Atheists preach.

So far you have not proven your point.

By the way, the Bible is replete with Science. I have spent decades making movies, websites and books on this topic.

• Ezekiel's Wheels teach Particle Physics and Quantum Mechanics.
• The Tabernacles and Temples teach DNA and Biology.
• Genesis teaches M-Theory
• The High Priest Breastplate teaches the Standard Model.

On and on it goes.

Nope. It's talking about regular water.

As per the Wikipedia link, Waters can mean the 'Primeval Deep' or Abyss....

Strong's Hebrew: 4325. מָ֫יִם (mayim) -- Water

biblehub.com

Read the commentaries...

Genesis 1:2 Commentaries: The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

biblehub.com

It can even mean sperm. <--- That is a big clue to deciphering the deepest Mysteries of the Bible.

That's why Genesis says that the waters below the raqia were gathered to form the seas. That's why it's called "water".

Yes. Try and comprehend the verse you are referencing. The seas did not exist until the Third Day, when Earth was finished and ready for life.

Before God formed the seas and the Earth on the Third Day, the 'Waters' was something else entirely.

Thankfully the Biblical authors made it clear for us by calling it what it is.

Actually, they did not make it clear as you are obviously having trouble understanding the verses.

Nah, you're just making that up.

Give me a break.

Obviously, the information I am presenting is way over your educational level. But rather than learning, you would rather dismiss it as if you know better.

May I remind you that others here are watching how you react to new information. If I were you, I would *listen* when someone has something to teach.

If you want to call ancient isrealites (including Moses) "stupid", that's your own choice. I wouldn't recommend it though.

Again, you are the one preaching how the Bible is contradictory to Science. I am simply calling you out on it.

I would suggest that you actually abide by your own advice.

The Bible is a compilation of dozens of books written over many centuries. It doesn't have a single contextual background.

God authored the Bible as a single, unified document. The Scribes wrote it down.

Whatever @Job 33:6 . All I can say is both Scripture and I disagree with you.

An odd thing for a person to say if they had allegedly studied the subject before.

It is not an odd thing for a Christian to say.

No, it doesn't. The raqia is not the same thing as the sky. That's why the Bible has verses that describe the raqia of the sky, and describe both independently in the same verses.

You do not understand what the Three Heavens are.

Normally, I would go out of my way and take a break from my busy schedule and help folks out, but it is clear you have reached the limits of what you are willing to learn.

 

[Qubit]

Says the guy who is talking about people being made of demon blood? Go look in a mirror. I'm just quoting the Bible.

I'd recommend studying the Bible and it's ancient near east context, rather than listening to mans weird scientific 21st century ideas about "world sheets".

Again, the 'Near East Context', as you so put it, teaches that we came from Alien Genetic Engineering.

Like I said, go research before opening your big mouth and hurling insults. Start with the so called 'Sacred Tree'...

If you are going to study the Bible through your recommended 'Near East Context', then you need to include *ALL* of the context, not just the bits and pieces that fit your ignorant, false narrative.

I am glad that you at least see the folly of your logic though. Your comments really prove my point.

By the way, this verse is literal...

John 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

The Bible describes how we are biologically descended from Satan. So in a way, you are correct.

Anyhow, I am done wasting time with you. Have the last word on me.

 

[Qubit]

Before I unsubscribe from this thread, I will leave you all with this...

Until the "Theory of Evolution" includes genetic manipulation by off world entities, it will always be bogus.

All I can say is that many of you need to seriously wake up. Life is not what you were told by the false teachers.

READ THIS!!!

Daniel 2:43
"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

They are going to come back and finish what they started. Do you understand?

Listen to the Word of God and stop listening to Fools.

Qubit out.

 

[olgamc]

Has it always been identified as just 1 species and not 2?

Be patient. I asked a question. Please answer. Has the dog always been canis lupus?

 

[olgamc]

There you go with that hubris again. Try communicating without the ego and insults. Maybe folks will take you seriously.



The original 'Waters' is what Science calls a Worldsheet...

This is before the universe was even created. The Worldsheet was swept into a World Volume. The World Volume is what the 'expanse' in your verse is.

• The 'Waters Below' is the dimensional barrier separating us from the Underworld/Abys, etc. In other words, it is a 2D/3D barrier.
• The 'Waters Above' is the dimensional barrier separating us from the Spirit Realm. In other words, it is a 3D/4D barrier.

The 'Waters' was *not* Earth's oceans as so many wrongly presume. It is this...

In the Bible, the abyss is an unfathomably deep or boundless place. The term comes from the Greek word abyssos (Ancient Greek: ἄβῠσσος, romanized: ábussos), meaning "bottomless, unfathomable, boundless".

Abyss (religion) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Genesis describes cutting edge M-Theory. It is above most people's heads.



Correct. However, the raquia is *not* a thin glass dome as shown in your diagram. The raquia is where the Sun, Moon and Stars exist.

Your diagram shows the Sun, Moon and Stars existing in Earth's atmosphere where the clouds are. I mean come on, that is seriously stupid. Do I even need to go there?



What an odd thing for a supposed "Christian" to say. The entire Bible is the context. Nothing in Genesis contradicts the rest of the Christian Bible, or Science for that matter.



Again, Genesis teaches that outer space and Earth's atmosphere are the same thing. In other words, they are the same Heaven.



And your point is?



Nope. God exists outside of the Three Heavens.



It is in your diagram, so of course it matters since you brought it up. I am simply pointing out your errors.



Your diagram shows Earth already created with oceans. If your statement was true, the diagram would just show a piece of paper with a circle on it, not an entire Cosmos.



You have yet to prove that.

When I first saw Job33:6’s diagram, my intuition was that someone reduced a multi-dimensional concept to 3D, in order that they could draw it.

So 3D space gets reduced to 2D, and earth becomes flat. The 3rd dimension on the drawing is the spiritual dimension. The firmament is what separates our physical world from the spiritual world were God lives. Am I kind of on the right track?

The water confused me, I wasn’t sure if “waters” in verse 1 and “waters” in verse 9 are the same H2O water. Verse 9 at least is H2O, right?

 

[Job 33:6]

Be patient. I asked a question. Please answer. Has the dog always been canis lupus?

Looks like historically it was considered to be its own species (or may still be by some).

 

[Job 33:6]

When I first saw Job33:6’s diagram, my intuition was that someone reduced a multi-dimensional concept to 3D, in order that they could draw it.

So 3D space gets reduced to 2D, and earth becomes flat. The 3rd dimension on the drawing is the spiritual dimension. The firmament is what separates our physical world from the spiritual world were God lives. Am I kind of on the right track?

The water confused me, I wasn’t sure if “waters” in verse 1 and “waters” in verse 9 are the same H2O water. Verse 9 at least is H2O, right?

‭Genesis 1:9-10 NIV‬
[9] And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. [10] God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

The Bible tells us plainly that the waters it's describing are indeed H20 waters. The Bible isn't playing word games. God made the raqia in the midst of, or in the middle of, or within, the waters. And the waters below were gathered to form the seas, revealing dry land.

The water described in Genesis is H20, and anyone who tries to argue otherwise, quite frankly, they think they know better than Moses.

Oh silly Moses, don't you know that the sky isn't made of water? That can't actually be what the Bible is saying. Haha, Moses, that's such an idiotic thing to say so it can't possibly be what Moses is describing.

Then when you tell that person that many ancient civilizations viewed the sky as made of water atop a solid sky, then people get offended and try to act like the Bible is talking about string theory and advanced science (which the Bible says nothing of).

The situation gets so bad that when the Bible says that the firmament separated waters above from waters below, people can't accept that the Bible is actually talking about water.

The situation is just as simple as this video states, and the historical records of ancient Jews, and those of the ancient near east verify it.

 

[Job 33:6]

Again, the 'Near East Context', as you so put it, teaches that we came from Alien Genetic Engineering.

Like I said, go research before opening your big mouth and hurling insults. Start with the so called 'Sacred Tree'...

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If you are going to study the Bible through your recommended 'Near East Context', then you need to include *ALL* of the context, not just the bits and pieces that fit your ignorant, false narrative.

I am glad that you at least see the folly of your logic though. Your comments really prove my point.

By the way, this verse is literal...

John 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

The Bible describes how we are biologically descended from Satan. So in a way, you are correct.

Anyhow, I am done wasting time with you. Have the last word on me.

Ancient mesopotamians weren't some super advanced civilization drawing artwork of sperm cells.

Mesopotamian Tree of Life

The Mesopotamian Tree of Life includes the Sumerian Tree of Life, the Akkadian Tree of Life, the Babylonian Tree of Life and the Assyrian T...

treeoflifemeaning22.blogspot.com

They aren't drawing sperm hahahaha.

It's just a stylized tree. And it's human sized as well, those are people standing on the left and right.

See, this is what happens when people forget that the Bible is an ancient text. They start fantasizing about how the 7 sages worshipped sperm trees.

My Lord, help us. Because the church has gotten scripture so backwards that they think ancient mesopotamians were worshipping sperm trees. The absurdity.

Alien genetic engineering? Like, what planet do people live on where they come up with such weird ideas? Those aren't aliens, it's just the 7 sages, and they put fish skin on as clothing. Or they may view themselves as fish. But this is just ancient people. There aren't fish aliens doing genetic engineering.

I mean it's no wonder so many people leave the church when this is the status quo for how Christians think of the Bible.

 

[Job 33:6]

You are the one claiming that Science does not agree with the Bible. Talk about preaching what the Atheists preach.

So far you have not proven your point.

By the way, the Bible is replete with Science. I have spent decades making movies, websites and books on this topic.

• Ezekiel's Wheels teach Particle Physics and Quantum Mechanics.
• The Tabernacles and Temples teach DNA and Biology.
• Genesis teaches M-Theory
• The High Priest Breastplate teaches the Standard Model.

On and on it goes.



As per the Wikipedia link, Waters can mean the 'Primeval Deep' or Abyss....

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Strong's Hebrew: 4325. מָ֫יִם (mayim) -- Water

biblehub.com

Read the commentaries...

Genesis 1:2 Commentaries: The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

biblehub.com

It can even mean sperm. <--- That is a big clue to deciphering the deepest Mysteries of the Bible.



Yes. Try and comprehend the verse you are referencing. The seas did not exist until the Third Day, when Earth was finished and ready for life.

Before God formed the seas and the Earth on the Third Day, the 'Waters' was something else entirely.



Actually, they did not make it clear as you are obviously having trouble understanding the verses.



Give me a break.

Obviously, the information I am presenting is way over your educational level. But rather than learning, you would rather dismiss it as if you know better.

May I remind you that others here are watching how you react to new information. If I were you, I would *listen* when someone has something to teach.



Again, you are the one preaching how the Bible is contradictory to Science. I am simply calling you out on it.

I would suggest that you actually abide by your own advice.



God authored the Bible as a single, unified document. The Scribes wrote it down.

Whatever @Job 33:6 . All I can say is both Scripture and I disagree with you.



It is not an odd thing for a Christian to say.



You do not understand what the Three Heavens are.

Normally, I would go out of my way and take a break from my busy schedule and help folks out, but it is clear you have reached the limits of what you are willing to learn.

Tehom is not sperm. Please stop embarrassing yourself. I haven't heard such a completely backwards understanding of the Bible in quite some time.

Imagine Jonah, when he gets thrown into Tehom and eaten by a fish. The expression on his face when he realizes that it wasn't water that they were sailing in.

‭‭Jonah 2:1-3 ESV‬
[1] Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish, [2] saying, “I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice. [3] For you cast me into the deep, into the heart of the seas, and the flood surrounded me; all your waves and your billows passed over me.

If Tehom is a sea of sperm, I suspect that Jonah's speech would sound a little different.

 

[olgamc]

Looks like historically it was considered to be its own species (or may still be by some).

Right. So at one point in time all dogs were canis familiaris. Then something changed and we decided to start calling them canis lupus.

What changed? - our knowledge changed. We learnt something new that we didn’t know before, so we decided to re-classify. Right? Right.

Ok. When we re-classified dogs, was that retroactive? Did all dogs that have been born, let’s say, in the past 100 years, receive the same re-classification? The answer is yes.

So the same individual dog who lived 50 years ago was canis familiaris at one time. Then we learnt something new, and the very same dog became canis lupus. Same individual. 2 species.

 

[Diamond72]

Ancient Near east context does not mean that the Bible is copying other ancient near east narratives. I'm not sure who told you that or who you've been learning about Biblical context from, but sounds like you may have been educated by atheists or something.

I'd recommend the following Old Testament Evangelical scholar. He and another PHD of Dallas Seminary (a very conservative background) have written a book on the subject, and here is a simple interview with one of them:

His Phd does not mean much because he is teaching at a freshman level of Bible School. Of course they teach that we have to look at the original audience that Moses was writing to. But to say the Bible is not written for us today means he does not understand how God can give us a Bible that is written for everyone that ever was or will ever be.

I remember when I was a child we went to see a play in NYC with Barbra Streisand called "funny girl". My dad did not want to buy tickets in advance so we ended up buying them at the time of the show. As a result we ended up in the back row of the theater. My assumption was that we would be watching her perform for the people that were close to the stage. I was amazed that she sang to everyone and her voice was powerful enough to reach the end of the audience. She sang for us as much as anyone in that theater. It is the same with the Bible. We do not look at a Bible written for Egyptians. We look at a Bible written for everyone, every man, women and child that is or ever was.

Jesus desciples were amazed at this more than anything. They did not expect that expect that everyone could receive the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus told them that He was sent for the Lost Sheep of Israel. So it was a big surprise for them that the Bible is for everyone.