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the myth of flat earth debunked again

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Can you find and show me video of any of those craft actually exiting the atmosphere?
For example an outer-space view of a rocket beginning to enter the vacuum of space,
or like a shot from the space station of a rocket exiting the atmosphere.
I can find photos. Not sure if anyone on the ISS took videos.
[Edit] yes, found a video [/edit]
And if you can't find such a video, and the videos of rockets that you will find clearly show the rockets arching back down,
why do you believe "we" send craft beyond earth's atmosphere?
The photos show the rockets entering low earth orbit.
I know your request is not genuine though, since you refuse to believe the ISS is a craft in orbit outside the atmosphere of the globe earth. So I won't waste any time trying to satisfy your demands as you will simply dismiss them out of hand.
 
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Which flights? show me them.
You've even referred to them yourself in earlier posts. If you can't be bothered looking back through the thread to find them, why should I waste any of my time on your behalf? Your questions aren't sincere
Show me video of the horizon not staying eye level.
No. I've posted photos and they have been ignored.
The moon and sun move in a circle, just as the Bible says; Psalms 19:1-9, Joshua 10:13.
Their circular path and relation to each other explain how we see them.
The moon orbits the earth on a circular path, and from the perspective of the earth's surface, the sun appears to follow a circular orbit around the earth, when in actual fact the earth rotates.
No one has used the prime meridian going from Greenland to Antarctica, I've busted up each specific journey mentioned in this thread.
Of course you demand the most difficult flight path logistically, which no one would ever follow, however there are satellites in polar orbit which repeatedly cover that route.
 
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Sounds like fun….for those who fly. So far, I’ve only flown in a helicopter. Once.
 
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You also lied about governments not allowing travel to or over the North Pole, but you don't apologise for that, do you.

I didn't lie, the north pole is a no fly zone.
 
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Sounds like fun….for those who fly. So far, I’ve only flown in a helicopter. Once.

And me, I was once air lifted to hospital for a major triple A heart operation. :(
 
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however there are satellites in polar orbit which repeatedly cover that route.

Yeah we all know about space junk. :eek:

a sarellite.jpg
 
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I didn't lie, the north pole is a no fly zone.
It isn't, obviously, since there are multiple flight options available, but humour me, what evidence do you have that the Arctic is a no fly zone?
 
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It isn't, obviously, since there are multiple flight options available, but humour me, what evidence do you have that the Arctic is a no fly zone?
She read about it in one of her posts.
 
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It isn't, obviously, since there are multiple flight options available, but humour me, what evidence do you have that the Arctic is a no fly zone?


Why don’t planes make the long, cold journey over the North pole? You might think that it’s just really far out of the way and that it would be a waste of time, but in reality, that’s far from the truth. In fact, because of the spherical shape of the Earth,(lie) it actually ends up saving time. The issue is actually the area’s strong magnetic field - it can cause havoc with the plane’s navigation systems, particularly the compasses in older aircrafts. Could that strong magnetic presence affect our beloved tech gadgets as well? What about our credit cards? Even if, hypothetically, commercial planes did fly directly over the North Pole, if emergency where to strike and a plane happened to go down, the chances of being rescued in the vast, baron, isolated North Pole are slim to none.

 
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Why don’t planes make the long, cold journey over the North pole? You might think that it’s just really far out of the way and that it would be a waste of time, but in reality, that’s far from the truth. In fact, because of the spherical shape of the Earth,(lie) it actually ends up saving time. The issue is actually the area’s strong magnetic field - it can cause havoc with the plane’s navigation systems, particularly the compasses in older aircrafts. Could that strong magnetic presence affect our beloved tech gadgets as well? What about our credit cards? Even if, hypothetically, commercial planes did fly directly over the North Pole, if emergency where to strike and a plane happened to go down, the chances of being rescued in the vast, baron, isolated North Pole are slim to none.

What is your source?
 
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Why don’t planes make the long, cold journey over the North pole? You might think that it’s just really far out of the way and that it would be a waste of time, but in reality, that’s far from the truth. In fact, because of the spherical shape of the Earth,(lie) it actually ends up saving time. The issue is actually the area’s strong magnetic field - it can cause havoc with the plane’s navigation systems, particularly the compasses in older aircrafts. Could that strong magnetic presence affect our beloved tech gadgets as well? What about our credit cards? Even if, hypothetically, commercial planes did fly directly over the North Pole, if emergency where to strike and a plane happened to go down, the chances of being rescued in the vast, baron, isolated North Pole are slim to none.

Was that the first video that popped up in your search for references? It is complete trash.

The Earth's field ranges between approximately 22 and 67 μT (0.22 and 0.67 G). By comparison, a strong refrigerator magnet has a field of about 10,000 μT (100 G).

The earth's magnetic field at the North Pole has no impact on electronics and navigation equipment.
 
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Was that the first video that popped up in your search for references? It is complete trash.

The Earth's field ranges between approximately 22 and 67 μT (0.22 and 0.67 G). By comparison, a strong refrigerator magnet has a field of about 10,000 μT (100 G).

The earth's magnetic field at the North Pole has no impact on electronics and navigation equipment.

Yes it does, especially for planes. Planes do not fly over the North Pole for magnetic reasons.
 
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Flying over the North Pole wasn’t easy.

If you had trouble, there was nowhere close to land.

There was also the problem with navigation.

The geographic North Pole and magnetic North Pole are more than 600 miles apart. Get in between them and your compass does some rather unusual things, like bounce back and forth or point south when it should point north.
 
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You've even referred to them yourself in earlier posts. If you can't be bothered looking back through the thread to find them, why should I waste any of my time on your behalf? Your questions aren't sincere

There is no direct flight route from Santiago Chile to Johannesburg South Africa, every route you find will have at least 1 stop,
most of the flights you find make no sense at all on the globe model, but on the flat model one can see why the routes are as such.

This point strongly proves the flat earth model not the opposite.

On a flat earth map one can see that they must have to stop to refuel,
because the distance is actually far not close,
it should be a close non stop flight if the earth was really a ball.

For anyone paying attention, sincerely, certainly the flight routes expose the globe deception very well.

No. I've posted photos and they have been ignored.
After posting these initial words I will have a look,
but a photo would not be able to prove that the horizon goes below eye level,
you would need a good video for that.

That the horizon is always at eye level, is another solid proof of the flat earth.


Of course you demand the most difficult flight path logistically, which no one would ever follow, however there are satellites in polar orbit which repeatedly cover that route.

My response was that each specific route given of someone supposedly circling the globe has been busted up.
The last one given to me, if we just follow the route given, is not even a circle, but just an arched trip down the world starting from Greenland.
None given by you or others even describes a circumnavigation of anything, given the routes they themselves give.
They all stay on the face of the globe that has land, which happens to generally be the same face,
to circle the globe ones route should cross much ocean.


You have not proven that the earth is a globe at all.
The first two points given clearly demonstrate that the earth is flat.
 
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I know your request is not genuine though, since you refuse to believe the ISS is a craft in orbit outside the atmosphere of the globe earth. S

If the ISS is a craft in orbit outside the atmosphere of the globe, and they have that famous window area,
then it should be easy for them to film a rocket coming up out of the earth through the atmosphere, yes?


Don't rockets regularly approach the space station? To bring 'astronauts' and other supplies!?

What I'm saying is not sincere?

You know what is said often times before they do their somersaults in supposed "zero-g" on the "space station"?

"Well, some people say that you guys are not really in space, can you prove that you are?"
And then they do a somersault as "proof" that they are in zero-g.

But me asking for real proof is not sincere?

David Copperfield did the same exact kind of "zero-g" somersault that they do,
inside of a glass box, on stage, before a live audience, all with a hidden harness.
Now, dear one, go see zfxflying.com a company that sells performance and special harness specifically for the stage and hollywood,
look at the site a bit, see what they sell, then go to the about page, and scroll all the way down, to notice their corporate clients,
one being, nasa.
 
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I can find photos. Not sure if anyone on the ISS took videos.
[Edit] yes, found a video [/edit]
That is what I see for your post there.
No proof at all.

Who is being sincere? The ones with videos and photos and proof.
No one responded to the satellite image I posted, going over how that we should be able to get similar images of the moons surface,
similar images showing the supposed flags on the moon, going way back to what I originally posted.

The globe model has no real proof at all whatsoever, because it is a lie from the enemy of our souls.
 
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Which airports exist along the prime meridian to allow an aircraft to refuel. Who is going to pay for a long range aircraft to fly this particular route just to satisfy the foolish demands of a deluded individual?
To do it would involve aircraft carries also, that would actually need to happen as part of the proof.
Send out various carriers to spots along the path, from Greenland going the backside to Antarctica.
And so a recorded journey of each carrier as it gets to its spot. Would only need 3 or 4.
The plane starts from Greenland going up (up on a traditional looking flat projection of the globe)
and after a bit arrives at the first carrier on the ocean to refuel and also to take video of the landing and take off.
Then each other carrier to then arrive in Antarctica, another refuel there, then up through Africa
(really the prime does not matter much, just a proof of going that other way cross the ocean)
then up more to arrive back in Greenland, an actual full circle of the whole globe.

None of the routes given in this thread are anything like that, not horizontal or vertical,
they don't even circumnavigate anything, they are just arched journeys from Greenland down.
 
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It looks to be full optical zoom

There are a couple of reasons:
  • Economics - Airbus profit from selling high resolution satellite images because such images have many applications. There is zero economic incentive for such images of the moon's surface.
  • Transmission - high resolution images result in huge amounts of data. Low earth orbit satellites are able to transmit at high speeds because they are not far from the earth's surface. Lunar orbiters have to transmit data over orders of magnitude greater distances which limits the speed at which they can send data which again limits the resolution of images they can send.
No one is going to spend millions of dollars just to satisfy the demands of a tiny group of crackpots, especially when those crackpots will simply reject the images as CGI. You demand proof but dismiss it out of hand when it is given to you. Existing images show the lunar landers, moon buggy and tracks left by the astronauts which is evidence enough, but since you reject that, it is obvious that you would reject a high resolution image of the flag.
I'm sorry dear one I did not see these before.

They sell the images? So how did I get that image?
I went to google and just used the map tool, and it was not at full zoom.

How do they transmit a live feed of the "astronauts" from the space station?
If that is real it looks pretty high def to me.
They can do all that, live, but yet not take a simple modern picture of the moon, similar to the satellite image I showed?


Now as far as satisfying demands, as I said in another post, often before they do somersaults you'll here words like;
"can you guys prove your in zero-g"

So asking for proof is not out of hand.

You have not provided any proof at all whatsoever, each one of your points has been refuted.
All one has to do is read and re read this whole thread.
 
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I missed this one




"On 23 December 2017, Captain Mariusz Koper and his eight-man crew − Tomasz Grala, Hanna Leniec, Michał Barasiński, Magdalena Żuchelkowska, Wojciech Małecki, Ireneusz Kamiński, Piotr Kukliński, Robert Kibart − (all Poland) left Cape Town, South Africa, on board the 72-ft Oyster yacht Katharsis II, as part of a challenge to loop Antarctica entirely south of the 60th parallel. On 5 April 2018, after a non-stop journey that lasted 102 days 22 hours 59 minutes and 5 seconds, they reached Hobart, Tasmania, Australia,

Please notice that they did not circle anything!
Even given the globe model, they left from Africa went around a part of Antarctica, an arch, and then arrived in Australia.

To circle, circle, Antarctica, from Cape Town, logically one would end back in Cape Town!

A sailboat ! We are talking life and death kind of journey, one can be sure they did not, they did not, go out of their way!
 
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