Female Pastor kicks the Bible like a football

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I am sure you are confused. Trump is not your savior, Riley. Gosh, he isn't even good. Oh yeah, kicking bibles doesn't mean a thing; it's just more American nonsense. Kicking bibles, voting for Trump, it all comes from the same place. None of it has anything to do with Christ, and never has, but it is all American. It is very American. Too many American Christians cannot differentiate between their faith and their country. It's not very spiritual, but it is true..
Bold. You're right. I will not further comment. I think I misunderstood your original comment.

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Look, the whole thing, the whole "super bowl of preaching," looks to my non-American eyes to be completely irreverent. Silly gimmick and not in any way edifying. (Something I'd like to put down to "only those crazy Americans would do this," perhaps with a side dose of, "thank goodness for churches with robust liturgy," and move on).

What struck me is that I see four people participating in that stunt, in the video, and yet it's the gender of the one woman that's made an issue, as if somehow that's where the problem is with all of this...
 
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A few people did something stupid - end of story.

There's no reason to drag the entire Midwest and all of American Christianity into it. From the beginning Jesus, John, Peter and Paul wrote about the problem of false teachers and prophets. It's a problem that's existed for 2000 years. Centuries before American Christianity.

"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves." 2 Peter 2:1

Lots of verses like that one.
 
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The disrespect toward the Bible is rooted in the long blood stained history of those who courageously and tirelessly worked to get the Bible into the hands of those who needed them. For 1500 odd years, thousands were tortured and killed for having in their possession even a small quote from the scriptures. War and crusades were waged against those who sought to disseminate the word of God, and when Bible were found, they were burnt along with those who possessed them. And this was done by the church. And today, the Bible is reduced to a gimmick before 10s of thousands of cheering fans.
No wonder American churches are now looking to politics as an answer to the deep seated spiritual problems permeating American society. They have nothing else to turn to.
 
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I respect myself, and I'm a woman.

I respect myself enough to respect God's opinion of what I should and should not do.

I may not be perfect, but at least I'm not openly defying God and putting on blasphemous public displays.
Hi there:wave:

It is also very respectful, to consider what God may want other woman to do or not do.

Why judge another's servant.
 
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I am sure you are confused. Trump is not your savior, Riley. Gosh, he isn't even good. Oh yeah, kicking bibles doesn't mean a thing; it's just more American nonsense. Kicking bibles, voting for Trump, it all comes from the same place. None of it has anything to do with Christ, and never has, but it is all American. It is very American. Too many American Christians cannot differentiate between their faith and their country. It's not very spiritual, but it is true..

This rings true. People who choose to vote for and who continue to support Donald Trump are kicking their bibles in a figurative sense as I see it. Which is as offensive to many believers as the person who's literally kicking a bible.
 
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This is just crazy --what was she thinking?


... wow, the things they must be teaching at Dallas Theological Seminary these days! :ahah:
 
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... wow, the things they must be teaching at Dallas Theological Seminary these days! :ahah:
The strange thing is, I looked up the church she is working at (Crossroads), and I don't see anything crazy about it.

They seem to be moderate Evangelicals, although they do allow for female pastors

Alli Patterson has written some books, and her theology doesn't appear to be "out-there" (but I have only read a little of what she has written)

I think this was a moment of bad judgment
 
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The strange thing is, I looked up the church she is working at (Crossroads), and I don't see anything crazy about it.

They seem to be moderate Evangelicals, although they do allow for female pastors

Alli Patterson has written some books, and her theology doesn't appear to be "out-there" (but I have only read a little of what she has written)

I think this was a moment of bad judgment

Yes, I agree. Without finding an article where she explains why she thought that was a good idea at the moment, I'm going to guess she thought it was some sort of 'fun' analogy with kicking a 'winning' field goal ... or something like that.

Instead, her kick comes across as being a little silly, and because of its apparent frivolous handling of what is Sacred, it's easily open to misunderstanding.
 
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If the pastor was male, would the thread title read: "Male Pastor......." ?
No it would not, and the reason should be obvious, to Christians anyway.
Also, as I watched the first bit of this showbiz,...
Yeah with the lights and pyrotechnics I thought I was watching part of a KISS concert.
 
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Im referring mainly to such as myself , an independant
woman who grew up in a non Christian culture
with, like Western nations, a deep histoty of
repression of women.

If I had lived pre Mao, I would have had bound feet
( and mind). No doubt I would have adapted and accepted
my role, for own sanity.

I noted elsewhere, btw, that Mao did more for
the status of women than christianity has in 2000
years. Accepting the boblical role is going backwards
so, no thanks and no deal. Too much self respect here
for that. Or for my traditional role in Chinese society.

As for "blasphemy" that is in the eyes of the
beholder. Earth orbiting the sun, and saying there
are sunspots was serious, severely punishable
blasphemy at one time

But people adapt themselves, and what they decide
the bible " really" means, as society grows and matures.
Stoning adulterors and witches is out, despite what the
plain text says.
How slaves are to be acquired and treated isnt acceptrd anymore.
And some of us wont accept how women are supposed
to be disrespected, either.

An issue i find lot more important than how
a book is treated.

Now I personally would not kick a bible.
At NYU a fellow student movrd one of my
texts with his foot. I was really annoyed by
the disrespect. Books are to be respected.
But I kept quiet, its not a cultural thing in the west.

No disrespect was intended.
If he'd intended disrrspect, I would have slapped him.

If said pastor intended disrespec for god, she might be in
the wrong line of work.

As it is, Id go with a lack of good sense on her part.
Very tacky behabiour I'd say.

As an insult god worthy of eternal hellfire
not so much.


Like you said, Mao did more for the status of women in your country than Christianity. But mainly that's because Christianity was illegal and/or not practiced in your country.

So firstly let me tell you, the most free woman on earth in all of history are from western majority Christian nations..

Yet mysteriously they are the first to complain about the "patriarchy" of Christianity.

The world wants women to be slaves of the state. The world wants all people to be slaves of the state. (See Mao)

God wants women (and people) to be largely free, but he's given a few limitations, one of them is on women's authority in the church, it's really not much.

There's many many things women can and should be doing in the church... But God said to women go to here but no further.

Much like the single tree in the garden, and one command. Do not eat the fruit.

Some people these days are eating the fruit they were told not to eat, and playing legalism games with Scriptures instead of humbling themselves before God and saying "Yes Lord, Your will and not mine be done."

God said you will know them by their fruit.
 
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I was wondering how much of it was about the handling of the bible and how much was because she was a woman daring to be a pastor.
How dare a mere woman try to act as an equal
to men. In church, of all places.
 
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Christianity is pro life which is a foundational basis of the equal sanctity of life for female and male. I believe the struggle against abortion should be spiritual to transform, not legislate, the secular. Societies come and go; humans are always cruel & unfortunately women have had the worst of it.


There are parts of the world where discrimination against women begins at conception which is anti Christ.

 
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