He Gets Us campaign

[Tropical Wilds]

There can be no union between darkness and light.

I embrace what is right and true. That's all.

Marxists aren't lovely people with a good heart - they're lost sinners - and liberation theology doesn't know Christ...

I'm not going to lie to appease whatever you think needs appeased.

These are my absolutes. My personal red lines in the sand. If anyone doesn't like it I don't have to participate here but I will not lie or pretend.

This is the stuff that damages the faith. Using Christianity not for spiritual growth, but as a trump card to flop onto the table to “prove” superiority over other people in politics, social issues, and the like. The whole “I’m the winner, they’re the loser, I’m the light, they’re the dark, I’m the good, they’re the bad, I’m the winner, they’re the loser” rigamarole.

That’s what makes these ads so attractive to people who don’t know better. They are tired of people using faith as a crutch, a means to declare superiority, then bash them in the head with why they fall short, not of God, but of the person doing the bashing. Because, let’s face it, Christianity is not spiritual justification to wag a finger in somebody’s face and say “there is no union between light and darkness, and I’m the light and you are the darkness.”

God says we all fall short, including you. God does not say that everybody who’s liberal is “the darkness” and you are “the light,” so go ahead and trash talk them and congratulate yourself on your moral superiority.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Don't you mean to say "aligns with anti-LGBTQA+ and anti-abortion causes"?

The FAQs: What You Should Know About the ‘He Gets Us’ Campaign

He Gets Us is spending millions to talk about Jesus, yet the campaign is being criticized by secularists and Christians on the left and the right. Here’s what you should know about it.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

I wrote anti-LGBTQA+, but it appears spellcheck defeated me. I’ll go fix it, thank you.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Don't you mean to say "aligns with anti-LGBTQA+ and anti-abortion causes"?

The FAQs: What You Should Know About the ‘He Gets Us’ Campaign

He Gets Us is spending millions to talk about Jesus, yet the campaign is being criticized by secularists and Christians on the left and the right. Here’s what you should know about it.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

To be super clear, I’m supportive of the LGBTQA+ community and do not support organizations that are not. In no way meant to endorse anti-LGBTQA+ causes, like, ever.

 

[Clare73]

To be super clear, I’m supportive of the LGBTQA+ community and do not support organizations that are not. In no way meant to endorse anti-LGBTQA+ causes, like, ever.

Are you in agreement with NT apostolic teaching on homosexuality (Ro 1:26-27, Jude 7)?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Are you in agreement with NT apostolic teaching on homosexuality (Ro 1:26-27, Jude 7)?

No, I do not agree with some people’s interpretation of those passages or their relevance to my beliefs and support of LGBTQA+ people.

 

[Merrill]

No, I do not agree with some people’s interpretation of those passages or their relevance to my beliefs and support of LGBTQA+ people.

I am curious

do you belong to a specific denomination?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Not everything he said was absolutely wrong---just like 90% of it.

The best lies have an undergirding of truth. It doesn't mean there's anything positive to glean there.

It's like looking at someone and saying water is water so drink out of the toilet... (Disgusting, so don't do this)

As far as me not having an open mind I really don't, not in this. I've seen the face of evil in Islamic extremism and I see it again here by a different name.

There is real spiritual danger here.

You know how converts are vehemently repulsed by what they came out of? This is some weird version of that for me...

I'm 100% into living out the faith, but you don't do this by making compromises in it and false alliances.

A person can only bend so far before they break. I have a metal rod in my back to prove it.

 

[Clare73]

No, I do not agree with some people’s interpretation of those passages or their relevance to my beliefs and support of LGBTQA+ people.

So you do not see Ro 1:26-27 as condemning homosexuality:
"For this reason (idolatry), God gave up them to passions of dishonor (contrary to nature) for even the females of them changed the natural use to the (use) against nature, and likewise also the males leaving the natural use of the female burned in the desire of them toward one another, males among males, working the unseemliness and the requital of the error of them which behooved receiving back into themselves."

Nor do you see Christian teaching as relevant to your beliefs.
That means you are not a Christian, and we have no basis for discussing things Christian.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I am curious

do you belong to a specific denomination?

Does it matter?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The best lies have an undergirding of truth. It doesn't mean there's anything positive to glean there.

It's like looking at someone and saying water is water so drink out of the toilet... (Disgusting, so don't do this)

As far as me not having an open mind I really don't, not in this. I've seen the face of evil in Islamic extremism and I see it again here by a different name.

There is real spiritual danger here.

You know how converts are vehemently repulsed by what they came out of? This is some weird version of that for me...

I'm 100% into living out the faith, but you don't do this by making compromises in it and false alliances.

A person can only bend so far before they break. I have a metal rod in my back to prove it.

You're apparently not in a frame of mind to listen and aren't in a place to understand what I'm saying. Ok, Sister Hazelelponi.

Have a blessed day!

 

[Tropical Wilds]

So you do not see Ro 1:26-27 as condemning homosexuality:
"For this reason (idolatry), God gave up them to passions of dishonor (contrary to nature) for even the females of them changed the natural use to the (use) against nature, and likewise also the males leaving the natural use of the female burned in the desire of them toward one another, males among males, working the unseemliness and the requital of the error of them which behooved receiving back into themselves."

I believe I answered this already.

Nor do you see Christian teaching as relevant to your beliefs.

Interesting assumption and logic jump on your part.

That means you are not a Christian, and we have no basis for discussing things Christian.

I answer to God, not you, so your opinion about me is entirely unimportant and irrelevant to me.

Frankly, I see your comments and behavior more as you announcing to us what your spiritual shortcomings and failings are, and not so much a statement on mine.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of "American Evangelicalism" .......................................... let's not pretend it's some form of pristine and resolute positioning that extols holiness and valor before the Lord. It often doesn't. Instead, it takes away too often with the Right hand what is seemingly offered with the Left, excusing itself with the loopholes of interpretation it, itself, devises.

As if you're really so much better?

At least there's evangelicals holding to doctrinal purity in our faith and lives.

You want to talk about taking away with one hand what's offered in the other?!?

Look in the mirror.

I believe Jesus once said remove the log from your own eyes before trying to deal with your brothers splinter.

Good advice.

 

[Hazelelponi]

You're apparently not in a frame of mind to listen and aren't in a place to understand what I'm saying. Ok, Sister Hazelelponi.

Have a blessed day!

You too.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

As if you're really so much better?

At least there's evangelicals holding to doctrinal purity in our faith and lives.

You want to talk about taking away with one hand what's offered in the other?!?

Look in the mirror.

I believe Jesus once said remove the log from your own eyes before trying to deal with your brothers splinter.

Good advice.

Again. You're citing spots where there are no spots, mainly because you have ZERO idea of what I'm even referring to. It's not me who is taking away with one hand what is given with the other. You don't know me. So, let's just pause your acrimony right there, sister.

Still, have a blessed day!

 

[Clare73]

I believe I answered this already.
Interesting assumption and logic jump on your part.
I answer to God, not you, so your opinion about me is entirely unimportant and irrelevant to me.
Frankly, I see your comments and behavior more as you announcing to us what your spiritual shortcomings and failings are, and not so much a statement on mine.

See conclusion of post #68.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

See conclusion of post #68.

See my response on post 71.

 

[childeye 2]

So you do not see Ro 1:26-27 as condemning homosexuality:
"For this reason (idolatry), God gave up them to passions of dishonor (contrary to nature) for even the females of them changed the natural use to the (use) against nature, and likewise also the males leaving the natural use of the female burned in the desire of them toward one another, males among males, working the unseemliness and the requital of the error of them which behooved receiving back into themselves."

Nor do you see Christian teaching as relevant to your beliefs.
That means you are not a Christian, and we have no basis for discussing things Christian.

If you don't mind, I'd like to address this question about homosexuality for @Tropical Wilds.

In my understanding, the scripture is saying mankind did not esteem God as God; as in mankind did not show appreciation/reverance for the spiritual attributes God bestows as our Creator, nor acknowledge that all Spiritual wisdom resides in Him and is not of our own design.
This looks to me like taking God's Word in us for granted through vainglory, which resulted in darkening the purity of Light in our souls. The scripture elaborates upon this disability of ignorance by showing mankind creating images of god that are like corruptible man and other creatures, worshipping the creature over the Creator.

Wherefore, He gave us over to the lusts of our hearts as recompense, which made us subject to the self-serving carnal impetus of our futile imaginations. Scripture presents Homosexuality as one of many manifestations of sinfulness resulting from an un-thankfulness to God.

Romans 2:1,
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

 

[Clare73]

If you don't mind, I'd like to address this question about homosexuality for @Tropical Wilds.

In my understanding, the scripture is saying mankind did not esteem God as God; as in mankind did not show appreciation/reverance for the spiritual attributes God bestows as our Creator, nor acknowledge that all Spiritual wisdom resides in Him and is not of our own design. The scripture elaborates by showing mankind creating images of god that are like corruptible man and other creatures, worshipping the creature over the Creator.

Man denied the existence of God in spite of the overwhelming evidence of such (Ro 1:19-20), worshiped idols instead and, therefore, were without excuse.
Idolatry is spiritual whoredom, and therefore God punished their spiritual whoredom with sexual sin (sexual perversion).
Homosexuality is sin (Ro 1:26-27), just as incest is sin (Lev 18:6-17, Dt 23:2).
Sexual perversion defiles not only the practitioner, but even the land as well (Lev 18:24-26).

Wherefore, He gave us over to the lusts of our hearts as recompense, which made us subject to the self-serving carnal impetus of our futile imaginations. Scripture presents Homosexuality as one of many manifestations of sinfulness resulting from an un-thankfulness to God.

Romans 2:1,
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

Yes, homosexuality is sin as are any other practices of sin.
The difference between homosexuality and other sin; e.g., theft, murder, prevarication, etc. is that persons are not trying to normalize the sins of theft, murder, prevarication, etc. as they are trying to normalize the sin of homosexuality.
The objection to homosexuality is about rejecting the promotion of normalization of such behavior by those seeking to do so.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

If you don't mind, I'd like to address this question about homosexuality for @Tropical Wilds.

In my understanding, the scripture is saying mankind did not esteem God as God; as in mankind did not show appreciation/reverance for the spiritual attributes God bestows as our Creator, nor acknowledge that all Spiritual wisdom resides in Him and is not of our own design.
This looks to me like taking God's Word in us for granted through vainglory, which resulted in darkening the purity of Light in our souls. The scripture elaborates upon this disability of ignorance by showing mankind creating images of god that are like corruptible man and other creatures, worshipping the creature over the Creator.

Wherefore, He gave us over to the lusts of our hearts as recompense, which made us subject to the self-serving carnal impetus of our futile imaginations. Scripture presents Homosexuality as one of many manifestations of sinfulness resulting from an un-thankfulness to God.

Romans 2:1,
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

That is a good and thoughtful explanation and I appreciate that you took the time to share it.

I’m just too jaded to have the same discussions over and over with people who aren’t interested or capable of discussing the topic. A lot of people seem to have latched on to this particular topic because either LGBTQA+ practices give them the “icks” or because they’ve identified it as something that they don’t deal with nor will ever deal with and thus something they can be sanctimonious to others about.

My patience for giving people an excuse for which to hate on an entire group of people “in the name of God” has dwindled to practically zero. I feel like God could come down and tell them directly they’re wrong and they’d just argue with God. People shouldn’t be so quick and excited to tell others that they are sinful, especially since they themselves are sinful too.

 

[HarleyER]

I assume many of you saw that "He Gets Us" Super Bowl commercial

or maybe some of you have experience with the organization

seem like it was very controversial--I am curious to hear your thoughts on it

The gospel message is to repent from your sin, ask Christ for forgiveness, receive the Holy Spirit, and follow Him. I heard nothing of that in the message.

The gospel isn't about washing other people's feet.

Not sure what they were trying to accomplish but seems like a waste of $20 million.