Evidence for macro-evolution

[AV1611VET]

Are you so sure? Think about it.

Want a hint, Hans?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Looks like you're SOL then.

* Short On Luck

Why? I don't need any "nothing" to make anything work. I'm not bothered or impaired if there wasn't ever a "nothing"?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are you so sure? Think about it.

Yep. The TOE you replied to was clearly biology and there is no "theory of everything" in physics. (That effort has failed and since nothing in physics was dependent on a theory of everything, the absence of it clearly doesn't have any impact.)

 

[Astrid]

Yep. The TOE you replied to was clearly biology and there is no "theory of everything" in physics. (That effort has failed and since nothing in physics was dependent on a theory of everything, the absence of it clearly doesn't have any impact.)

Seems to me that if ye devonian bunny
turned up- as in that dating and stratiographic
sequences were just completely wrong, that
would have some real effects on
geopnysics. Note the physics.


I bet we could mess up a lot of chemistry too.

But never mind, the intended audience isnt nowhere
and wont respond.

 

[partinobodycular]

Instead, He took His time and spread it out over a six-day period as a template for the work week.

Yes, but this doesn't tell us why He wanted the work week to be 6 days long. Is there a law in heaven that says that every seventh day must be a day off? So yes, He chose six days... but why not five days like we have now, or four days, or two on and two off?

Why six days?

 

[AV1611VET]

Seems to me that if ye devonian bunny turned up- as in that dating and stratiographic sequences were just completely wrong, that would have some real effects on geophysics.

Hold on here.

Don't enumerate your Galliformes before they emerge.

Richard Dawkins said that the discovery of fossil mammals in Precambrian rocks would "completely blow evolution out of the water." Philosopher Peter Godfrey-Smith doubted that a single set of anachronistic fossils, however, even rabbits in the Precambrian, would disprove the theory of evolution outright. The first question raised by the assertion of such a discovery would be whether the alleged "Precambrian rabbits" really were fossilized rabbits. Alternative interpretations might include incorrect identification of the "fossils", incorrect dating of the rocks, and a hoax such as the Piltdown Man was shown to be. Even if the "Precambrian rabbits" turned out to be genuine, they would not instantly refute the theory of evolution, because that theory is a large package of ideas, including: that life on Earth has evolved over billions of years; that this evolution is driven by certain mechanisms; and that these mechanisms have produced a specific "family tree" that defines the relationships among species and the order in which they appeared. Hence, "Precambrian rabbits" would prove that there were one or more serious errors somewhere in this package, and the next task would be to identify those errors.

SOURCE

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, but this doesn't tell us why He wanted the work week to be 6 days long. Is there a law in heaven that says that every seventh day must be a day off? So yes, He chose six days... but why not five days like we have now, or four days, or two on and two off?

Why six days?

Creator's choice.

 

[NxNW]

They cannot know but pretend to know better than God. This smells like blind hubris.

Scientists are incapable of evaluating science?

 

[NxNW]

Science is a valuable tool when it can demonstrate its conclusions. There are a great many practical benefits to thinking scientifically but none of them relate to the theory of macro-evolution.

Please summarize what the theory of macro evolution states.

 

[NxNW]

We can make educated guesses based on patterns. The car was traveling at 50mph when it was obscured by the traffic in between. If it carries on along the road and at the same speed then it will arrive at point x in approximately 8 seconds. But in reality, the car turned off, slowed down, skidded to a stop on the hard shoulder, crashed, blew up or whatever and so our assumptions were all wrong. Macro-evolution is just a collection of guesses at a supposed distance of hundreds of millions of years.

This description has no relation to reality.

 

[NxNW]

That's why scientists guard it, even with their spiritual lives on the line.

Nobody is guarding it.

I'd venture that some scientists would even jump out of windows; like some did when Wall Street collapsed in 1929.

Nobody jumped out of windows due to the Wall Street crash. But in that Nobel panel I described earlier, they all agreed they want the truth rather than continuing to believe indirect information.

That's because the Theory of Evolution is going to wax stronger and stronger; culminating during the Tribulation period, when the Antichrist demonstrates abiogenesis by making an image come to life.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The Antichrist will make evolution look so simple, a little child can understand it.

This is silly.

Disproving evolution is a task reserved for Jesus.

Not us.

You have no basis for that claim.

 

[NxNW]

That's probably because they're so scientifically minded, they're no theologically good.

They can't let go of the Law of Conservation of Mass/Energy long enough to realize that the Creation Week was a series of events, whereby God raised the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to what it is now, by performing one miracle after another.

Measurements of the total of mass/energy in the universe are consistent with zero.

Mass is positive and gravity is negative. They are borrowed from the vacuum and cancel each other out. As far a science can tell, the universe is a re-expression of nothingness.

 

[partinobodycular]

Creator's choice.

So sheer whimsy. With no hint of intelligent design, or divine omniscience at all...just pick a number out of a hat. A number that any kindergartner could've picked. And why is it that all of creation looks that way... like it's the result of some junior high science project gone horrifically wrong, or "Grand Theft Auto" on a global scale, with good guys and bad guys, and plenty of mindless violence.

I mean is there anything, in all of Genesis that even hints at it being the handiwork of a divine creator. Anything... anything at all? For example if there was some logical reason for putting 7 days in week. That might be impressive, but nope... it's simply because He felt like it.

 

[NxNW]

SOURCE

So much for 'evidently'.

That site does not speak with authority on this matter.

 

[AV1611VET]

Measurements of the total of mass/energy in the universe are consistent with zero.

Yes.

A net zero.

Not a gross zero.

God took gross zero and changed it to net zero.

In six days.

 

[BCP1928]

So sheer whimsy. With no hint of intelligent design, or divine omniscience at all...just pick a number out of a hat. A number that any kindergartner could've picked. And why is it that all of creation looks that way... like it's the result of some junior high science project gone horrifically wrong, or "Grand Theft Auto" on a global scale, with good guys and bad guys, and plenty of mindless violence.

I mean is there anything, in all of Genesis that even hints at it being the handiwork of a divine creator. Anything... anything at all? For example if there was some logical reason for putting 7 days in week. That might be impressive, but nope... it's simply because He felt like it.

It's a just-so story, an etiology. Every culture has one and this is ours. It answers the same questions mankind has always asked: Who are we? How did we get here? and Why is everything always so screwed up when we know it could be better? By the time the story was written the 7 day week was already a custom.

 

[AV1611VET]

So sheer whimsy.

What?

With no hint of intelligent design, or divine omniscience at all...just pick a number out of a hat.

I was asked why God took six days, and I responded that He could have done it in the wink of an eye, but chose six days as a template for the work week.

Anything wrong with that?

A number that any kindergartner could've picked.

Or scientist.

And why is it that all of creation looks that way... like it's the result of some junior high science project gone horrifically wrong, or "Grand Theft Auto" on a global scale, with good guys and bad guys, and plenty of mindless violence.

Because of the Fall.

Which has nothing to do with the Creation Week.

I mean is there anything, in all of Genesis that even hints at it being the handiwork of a divine creator.

Well ... where to start?

Garden of Eden ... stars arranged as a pictogram of the Plan of Salvation ... no death, decay, or disorder ... pure gene pool.

How's that for starters?

Anything... anything at all?

Looks like someone needs a time machine, doesn't he?

For example if there was some logical reason for putting 7 days in week. That might be impressive, but nope... it's simply because He felt like it.

Be thankful He didn't feel like a ten-day week with one day off.

 

[AV1611VET]

That site does not speak with authority on this matter.

Well ain't that a gas?

Science can take a hike then.

And take its demands for authority with it.

When God shows up and performs a miracle or two (or ten), science can sit back and watch it happen.

And keep its mouth shut about it.

(Unless she wants to praise God for His work.)

And all its laws and theories and hypotheses, methods, and paradigms can take a long walk on a short pier until such time as God is finished with His work, then Miss Nature can come back and resume her normal duties obediently.

 

[NxNW]

Well ain't that a gas?

Science can take a hike then.

And take its demands for authority with it.

Who said anything about science demanding authority? That was an inaccurate random post by someone who didn't understand basic definitions.

When God shows up and performs a miracle or two (or ten), science can sit back and watch it happen.

And keep its mouth shut about it.

Let me know when a miracle actually happens.

And all its laws and theories and hypotheses, methods, and paradigms can take a long walk on a short pier until such time as God is finished with His work, then Miss Nature can come back and resume her normal duties obediently.

Emotional outbursts are not helpful.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Seems to me that if ye devonian bunny
turned up- as in that dating and stratiographic
sequences were just completely wrong, that
would have some real effects on
geopnysics. Note the physics.

No. Geophysics is the mechanics of rocks, mantel convection, etc. It is not "impacted" by the specific details of what critters got trapped in a rock layer during formation. It certainly would have no impact outside the "geo" part of physics. No impact on astronomy, cosmology, solid state physics, particle physics, fluid mechanics, quantum mechanics, nuclear physics, etc.

I bet we could mess up a lot of chemistry too.

Different verse, same as the first. Chemistry is not affected by what critters got trapped in a rock layer during formation. Not any branch of chemistry would be invalidated.

But never mind, the intended audience isnt nowhere
and wont respond.

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