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Story of Job, his sosn and daughters died

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Hi,

If we read story of Job, he was innocent, where his sons and daughters innocent also ? They died, I mean why ?
God is giver of life so he can take life anytime he wants to, humans can't do this because we can't give life.

Br,

He got them back in the end though.

Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

Perhaps God spared Job's children the pain of seeing their dad suffer so much and allowed Satan to kill them, taking them out of the picture for a season.

And Satan didn't realize he was playing right into God's hand.
 
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He got them back in the end though.

Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

Perhaps God spared Job's children the pain of seeing their dad suffer so much and allowed Satan to kill them, taking them out of the picture for a season.

And Satan didn't realize he was playing right into God's hand.
Job did not get his sons and daughters back, he got other sons and daughters ? with same wife or maybe another wife ? Idk ?
 
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Job did not get his sons and daughters back, he got other sons and daughters ? with same wife or maybe another wife ? Idk ?

Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
 
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Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
Do you mean Job's son and daughter who were dead were made alive again like Lazarus ?
 
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Do you mean Job's son and daughter who were dead were made alive again like Lazarus ?

Yup.

And don't forget also ...

1 Kings 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
 
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Hi,

If we read story of Job, he was innocent, where his sons and daughters innocent also ? They died, I mean why ?
God is giver of life so he can take life anytime he wants to, humans can't do this because we can't give life.

Br,
God did not take their lives. Please reread it. Satan took their lives. Job, his wife, his friends, and his servants wrongly accused God of all Job's suffering. God defended Job, told satan he could not kill him, and restored all he lost and more.
Reread the first chapter. Satan tried to get God to harm Job. But God did not do it. God pointed out that everything that Job had was in his hands, but do not touch Job.
There is much error taught about the Book of Job.
 
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God did not take their lives. Please reread it. Satan took their lives. Job, his wife, his friends, and his servants wrongly accused God of all Job's suffering. God defended Job, told satan he could not kill him, and restored all he lost and more.
Reread the first chapter. Satan tried to get God to harm Job. But God did not do it. God pointed out that everything that Job had was in his hands, but do not touch Job.
There is much error taught about the Book of Job.

God allowed Satan to do it.

But the credit goes to God himself.

Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

And in fact, God is the One who brought Job to Satan's mind.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Not once, but twice:

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
 
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God allowed Satan to do it.
Where does it say, "I give you permission to hurt Job?"
But the credit goes to God himself.

Job 42:11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
This is telling what the acquaintances thought. It is given as their point of view, not what actually happened. They comforted him because they thought God had brought evil upon him. Was it God do it? No. Again and again, it is stated satan did the evil, not God.
Job, a messenger, his wife, and his servants made the same mistake of assigning the trouble to God.

Job 1:14-19 KJV
14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:...
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

The messenger said it was from God. How does he know where it came from? But we know it was not God.

Job 2:7-9 KJV
7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes.
9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Again, the wife said to curse God. But she was wrong. But the scripture clearly says satan did it.

And in fact, God is the One who brought Job to Satan's mind.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Not once, but twice:

Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Look at Young'‘s literal translation of Job 1:8

Job 1:8
And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, `Hast thou set thy heart against My servant Job because there is none like him in the land, a man perfect and upright, fearing God, and turning aside from evil?'

It sounds to me like Satan had already set his heart against Job. God's question is not to consider Job; rather, it is asking Satan why he had already set his heart against Job. "Did you do this because Job is a good man? Is that why you did it?"

This is confirmed by the second instance, after Satan attack Job. Same question:

Job 2:3 YLT
3 And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, 'Hast thou set thy heart unto My servant Job because there is none like him in the land, a man perfect and upright, fearing God and turning aside from evil? and still he is keeping hold on his integrity, and thou dost move Me against him to swallow him up for nought!'

Again, God is simply asking Satan why he did it.
The bottom line is that Satan does not need special, immediate permission to "get" people. He has standing permission to get anyone he wants if they are not vigilant and sober. He is like a roaring lion hunting a gazelle. The lion does not ask permission to get the gazelle; he already has standing permission. Satan is a free moral agent who can "get" anyone he wants. If you do not resist him, he may come after you. If you do not know how to overcome him, he may devour you. Satan was not asking God's permission, nor did he receive special permission to do not only what he had already tried to do but also what he already had default permission to do.
I realize there is this bogus teaching going around that Satan asked and received permission to get Job. People only believe this if they come into the book with the preconceived idea that Satan needs special immediate permission and that God gives it. They only read "behold all he has is in your hands" to mean "I give you permission" because that is how they believe this all happens. The idea that evil only happens if God gives permission is odd indeed. It makes God the author and perpetrator of all evil. It means if He did not allow it, it would not happen! It means if you experience evil in your life, it can only mean God told Satan he could do it to you. Odd indeed! But as said before, Satan has had standing, default permission to do whatever he wants and is capable of doing.
 
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Where does it say, "I give you permission to hurt Job?"

This is telling what the acquaintances thought. It is given as their point of view, not what actually happened. They comforted him because they thought God had brought evil upon him. Was it God do it? No. Again and again, it is stated satan did the evil, not God.
Job, a messenger, his wife, and his servants made the same mistake of assigning the trouble to God.

Job 1:14-19 KJV
14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:...
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

The messenger said it was from God. How does he know where it came from? But we know it was not God.

Job 2:7-9 KJV
7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes.
9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Again, the wife said to curse God. But she was wrong. But the scripture clearly says satan did it.



Look at Young'‘s literal translation of Job 1:8

Job 1:8
And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, `Hast thou set thy heart against My servant Job because there is none like him in the land, a man perfect and upright, fearing God, and turning aside from evil?'

It sounds to me like Satan had already set his heart against Job. God's question is not to consider Job; rather, it is asking Satan why he had already set his heart against Job. "Did you do this because Job is a good man? Is that why you did it?"

This is confirmed by the second instance, after Satan attack Job. Same question:

Job 2:3 YLT
3 And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary, 'Hast thou set thy heart unto My servant Job because there is none like him in the land, a man perfect and upright, fearing God and turning aside from evil? and still he is keeping hold on his integrity, and thou dost move Me against him to swallow him up for nought!'

Again, God is simply asking Satan why he did it.
The bottom line is that Satan does not need special, immediate permission to "get" people. He has standing permission to get anyone he wants if they are not vigilant and sober. He is like a roaring lion hunting a gazelle. The lion does not ask permission to get the gazelle; he already has standing permission. Satan is a free moral agent who can "get" anyone he wants. If you do not resist him, he may come after you. If you do not know how to overcome him, he may devour you. Satan was not asking God's permission, nor did he receive special permission to do not only what he had already tried to do but also what he already had default permission to do.
I realize there is this bogus teaching going around that Satan asked and received permission to get Job. People only believe this if they come into the book with the preconceived idea that Satan needs special immediate permission and that God gives it. They only read "behold all he has is in your hands" to mean "I give you permission" because that is how they believe this all happens. The idea that evil only happens if God gives permission is odd indeed. It makes God the author and perpetrator of all evil. It means if He did not allow it, it would not happen! It means if you experience evil in your life, it can only mean God told Satan he could do it to you. Odd indeed! But as said before, Satan has had standing, default permission to do whatever he wants and is capable of doing.

Fair enough, Grace.

We'll find out when we get to Heaven, won't we? :)
 
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Job was given more than his beginning at the end, and Job had a wife who didnt advise Job correctly to curse God, she spoke as this..


Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.



The children of Job also, in case they cursed ALSO...



Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.



The conclusion was Job received better, in his later end, not the same, as the beginning, when Job we read had seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred oxen, five hundred she donkeys, became twice as many, fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand oxen, a thousand she donkeys, AND, the three daughters were not the same, they were NOW, found fair above all women in all of the land. (because the testimony is of Job blessed more in the latter end, not the beginning, so all was improved.)


Job 1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.


Job 42:12 So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.
14 And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch.
15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
 
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Now we see the testimony to believe in, versus one that gives little.

Jobs patience is rewarded by what we see in the end of the Lord, which is not continuance of cursing, but now of blessing.



James 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
 
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