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Is there anyone else better than Biden or Trump for President?
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Maybe you ought to at least read the OP of the thread whose title I quoted to find out what it's about.
The thread title doesn't state anything about Trump being "charged with attempted murder" - such an obvious strawman.
From the article cited in the OP of that thread
If you think that article is false then you need to argue your case in that thread. For this thread the two thread titles were taken as examples casting doubt on the competence of both candidates.
I'm not alone in thinking this am I.
What is really disappointing is that your strawman post received a winner. This shows a big problem with how such marks are awarded by forum members - they are awarded not on the quality of posts but as an expression of partisanship.
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Everyone should already know by now the multi-fold historical complexities which contributed to the failure of democracy in pre-Nazi Germany's Weimer Republic. It wasn't simply the election of a charismatic anti-intellectual that brought Germany's downfall. Your analogy is weak, unfortunately, and will remain so due to all of the inductive and/or abductive study we could bring to the historical table.
Where the upcoming U.S. elections are concerned, I think it's wiser to avoid making hasty generalizations, especially if we're prone to experiencing knee-jerk reactions to all of the polemics and propaganda that come from both the Left or the Right.
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Robert Hur plainly stated in his report the differences between Biden's and Trump's document problems.
Washington - Special counsel Robert Hur's report detailing his investigation into President Biden for allegedly retaining sensitive government information as a private citizen drew immediate comparisons to the case against former President Donald Trump, who faces 40 federal charges for obstruction and allegedly keeping dozens of sensitive documents once he left the White House.
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But Hur himself laid out what he said were important distinctions between the two legal cases. And experts said that how Trump and Mr. Biden responded once they were made aware they might have sensitive records and the nature of the documents themselves were key reasons for why the investigations ended differently.
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Hur's team wrote that some of the handwritten notes contained information about intelligence sources and methods, military programs and capabilities, and "[p]lans and capabilities of foreign terrorist organizations."
During Mr. Biden's interview with the special counsel, Hur wrote that the president said he likely kept the notebooks because "[t]hey are mine."
"Every president before me has done the same exact thing," Mr. Biden said, according to the report.
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"It is easy to understand that [Mr. Biden] believed that this material was personal in nature and that he had a right to take it home, and that is very much in contrast with former President Trump having hundreds of official documents with top secret and other classification markings on them in his residence," he said. "Those are very different, and in former President Trump's case, there is no good explanation for why he believed that those presidential records were his."
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The differences between the Trump and Biden documents cases
Two different special counsels investigated President Biden and former President Donald Trump's handling of sensitive government documents.
www.cbsnews.com
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stevil
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I think he is being treated fairly. Think about what would happen if the police try to arrest two people for stealing. One com0lies and one resists. The person resisting is likely to be manhandled. E.g raiding of maralago. Also the person who complies is likely to benefit from leiniency
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The one who complies is treated better by the arresting officer and the one who resists faces additional charges. The prosecutor is not the arresting officer though.
Pleading guilty can result in a more lenient sentence but rarely are charges just dropped (unless they know someone worse that they can rat out)
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stevil
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I disagree, but anyway it will be interesting to see how the courts decide on each of the charges. I see that in right wing circles many are promoting this idea of the system being harsh on Republicans but lenient on democrats. It will be interesting to see if leniency is granted to pence for complying.
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I find it hilarious that so many people on the left are so gullible that they think Biden cooperating with his own DOJ after the fact, and telling the special prosecutor when and how he broke the law makes it A-Ok.
It like the whole Rittenhouse thing where the media kept saying "he crossed state lines"! and because it got repeated enough times....people bought it. They thought it was an element of the crime that meant something.
Hey, this bank robber admitted to bank robbery and returned all the money. He's basically innocent.
Anyone who has a top secret classification can tell you....cooperation with your investigation would, at best, get your charges or sentence reduced. They wouldn't get them dismissed.
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