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Huh?
But I am in a position to read scientists own words, own theories and what they attempt to explain and predict. Inflation theory predicts a Multiverse and a Multiverse can have varyings physical parameters thus making time subject to varying physics making it different to our own. That is the simple logic of following through with the current accpted physics of theories.
Sorry your right I got it back the front. Thats right, Inflation could overcome the issue of how the universe was isotrphic when the distances were beyond travelling at the speed of light to reach everywhere. So there was an instant or very fast inflation within a very small void that could transmit that information throughout before the universe expanded into the massive size it is.
Ok sort of what I said.
No I am not disputing 'time' as measured by science in quantified ways. I am saying that metaphysically in the greater scheme of whats reality beyond science that the quantified science measure is just one way to know what 'time' or more specifically what 'Tense' means as an experience.
But it also was the fact that science could not explain the supernatural and therefore could not dismiss it metaphysically. Science wasn't to reject that which science cannot know or measure, the spirit or soul or consciousness which we experience as humans. Even Galilao knew this when he wanted to seperate science as math from matters of the soul.
I never said science is incomplete without introducing the supernatural. I said reality is incomplete by just measuring it through the science method. That only tells us about quantified reality. It says nothing about the qualitative stuff such as our conscious experience which also reveals knowledge about the world, reality.
Are you really wanting the paper on Inflation theory when its a mainstream accepted theory based on the paper. If its accepted theory then its backed by the science within peer reviwed papers. Are you saying Inflation theory is not backed by peer review.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Your not seeing the forrest through the trees. Its the experience of awe, beauty, colours, that transcends the physical world. Nothing in the physical brain can account for these experiences, nowhere in the neurons or electrical signals are colours, a glowing orange sunset, the awe inspiring experience of a starry universe.Huh?
They experience 'a sunset or a starry night out in the desert', yeah?
So how does that become 'they experienced something beyond the physical world they inhabited'???
Lol not the physical object itself but that we have an experience of the physical object which is beyond the physical objects mechanisms. Why we should have experiences of what it is like to experience a sunset or starry night.
You only say that because your are skeptical of all things but science, perhaps a materialist. So of course this will be of a different language to what you are use to.Honestly, I really do wonder whether people actually ever stop to consider the words (and the meanings) of what they have written?
No you are reading your own confirmation bias into the physics.
The recession velocities of galaxies can exceed the speed of light c due to metric expansion of our universe but information can’t which is why a particle horizon for our universe exists.
Who are you trying to kid?
Do they? What are these things that can't be measured. Name. Them. (I suspect we'll get some of the things that follow, but there is no need to ramble on first. Let's get this started.)
The undetectable is "more real" than "reality". Come on, man, this is nonsensical.
I've never experienced anything beyond the natural world. Keep me out of your claim.
This goes back to the same question I asked above. What is this thing you think we are observing?
Or not, because nothing you wrote in the block above was actually about time. (And you seem to now reference dark matter and dark energy as non physical. Bizarre.)
I have no "spiritual awareness" and never had.
Are you confused by serotonin?
Emotions and psychology. No mystical supernaturalism is needed.
I see spirituality as a consequence of brain meat. So what. Your counter interpretation is not evidence.
No we are not.
Are you really wanting the paper on Inflation theory when its a mainstream accepted theory based on the paper. If its accepted theory then its backed by the science within peer reviwed papers. Are you saying Inflation theory is not backed by peer review.
So I should not have to show you papers on Inflation theory and only show you the relevent parts like how inflation theory predicts Multiverses which I have already done. The article which mentions why scientists say a multiverse in inevitable if inflation theory is correct.
The cosmological model of eternal inflation and the transition from chance to biological evolution in the history of life
The cosmological model of eternal inflation and the transition from chance to biological evolution in the history of life - PMC
Recent developments in cosmology radically change the conception of the universe as well as the very notions of "probable" and "possible". The model of eternal inflation implies that all macroscopic histories permitted by laws of physics are ...
But surely no one is proposing that these alternative universes just happened to have the same parameters as ours over and over again. That would be really weird. I though it was based on QM where each new universe could end up with any random set of varying outcomes.
Then like I said that brings Inflation theory into question when then brings the BB under question as a big part of addressing the anomelies in the BB was inflation.
I am sure I read somewhere that the physiucs will break down at the edge of our universe. Or maybe it was in Black Holes. So what happens to time then.
So is it still information that can travel instantly. I am sure I read somewhere that experiements showed that entangled cells could communicate information instantly. Is not that actual cellular information that is being communicated from one body cell to another. I can't find the original I was reading but I think it was related to these articles.
No like I said science should be completely seperate from the supernatural. You cannot measure the supernatural through science.
Yes but what I was trying to express what to let science do its job, it doesn't need any supernatural twist because science itself will be the witness of God.
The reason I concentrate on the philosophy is I think the evdience for a reality beyond the physical causes cannot be directly verified through observations. But we can certainly argue their validity as we experience these non physical realities everytime we have a conscious experience. This is primarily a mental state seperate from the physical world. So consciousness itself is evidence of a real thing that cannot be reduced to the physical.
Our conscious experience is the only real thing we can know. It comes first, in fact everything comes through our experience. So in that sense what we experience is more real than some proposed concept of an objective world outside our minds. We cannot get outside our minds to check if the 'matter' is something real. So our consciousness is more real and yet we cannot physiucally see it of test it as a physical thing.
Lol perhaps you have but you don't realize it. I mean being able to go to a place in your mind, a memory, to see a loved ones face in your mind, to imagine something beyond your current situation are in some ways realities you can tap into that can effect you, your life and your reality.
In this case take consciousness as this seems the basis for everything. The scientific reductionist view of consciousness will be its an epiphenomena of a physical system. So its an effect of a physical mechanism and thus falls with the casual closure of the physical. But the on the other hand the same evidence is seen by many that consciousness is a real thing beyond the physical brain. Two different explanations for the same phenomena. Ones naturalistic the other beyond naturalistic.
Thats because its not just about 'time'. Its about how human made concepts of time or anything can be seen differently in more transcedent terms. The question is what does time represent. We don't really understand the fundemnetal nature of time.
Why not the inner reality is the only reality. So of course its always a show for us.
Depends what you think spirituality is. I think experience the awe of stars on a clear night is similar to a spiritual experience. You cannot help but feel a part of something bigger than yourself and wonder of things beyond this world. Its a natural thing for humans to do. In fact we are born spiritual in a way. We have this natural belief in ideas like the soul and life beyond this world. Its a natural human quality.
Yes of course a materialists will always reduce experiences down to chemicals and electrical signals. All our sense of self and our experiences we believe so real are just fobbed off as silly tricks and delusions caused by chemicals to help us survive. We become robots.
Except when it comes to free will and agency. That humans can control what happens in the world. Where they are not just passive players like puppets pulled along by biology and physics but can actually intervene are actively change things.
There is evidence from a number of sources. Even the idea that spirituality is a consequence of brain meat which is similar to consciousness is nothing but the physical brain is challenged by many scientists like Nagal above who offer good arguements.
If our conscious experience is not real, that what we experience is not a real representation or can reveal reality then we are rejecting a big part of who we are. Materialism would have it that our dreams, experiences, sense of a real self in the world that can change things, is all a delusion designed by evolution to help us survive.
I literally only linked it for explaining how the BB, Inflation and the Multiverse theory are linked for which the paper explains and is correct.
vixra? Really, Steve? This is a new low.
Ok I don't know these things though I should have checked. But what I am wondering is if the content is correct. I am pretty sure I have seen similar papers in other journals on this same finding.
www.mdpi.com
www.frontiersin.org
Well I think it may well be somewhere in between science and philosophy. Both need to be discussed so both forums will involve either philosophy dicussed in a science forum along with the science or science is discussed in a philosophy forum with philosophy. In some ways science and philosophy belong together.
Ok I don't know these things though I should have checked. But what I am wondering is if the content is correct. I am pretty sure I have seen similar papers in other journals on this same finding.
Perhaps these ones which are in more credible journals
The future of quantum biology
Biological systems are dynamical, constantly exchanging energy and matter with the environment in order to maintain the non-equilibrium state synonymous with living. Developments in observational techniques have allowed us to study biological dynamics on increasingly small scales. Such studies have revealed evidence of quantum mechanical effects, which cannot be accounted for by classical physics, in a range of biological processes. Quantum biology is the study of such processes, and here we provide an outline of the current state of the field, as well as insights into future directions.
13 - A perspective on possible manifestations of entanglement in biological systems
A perspective on possible manifestations of entanglement in biological systems (Chapter 13) - Quantum Effects in Biology
Quantum Effects in Biology - August 2014www.cambridge.org
Quantum Biology and the Potential Role of Entanglement and Tunneling in Non-Targeted Effects of Ionizing Radiation: A Review and Proposed Model
Quantum Biology and the Potential Role of Entanglement and Tunneling in Non-Targeted Effects of Ionizing Radiation: A Review and Proposed Model
It is well established that cells, tissues, and organisms exposed to low doses of ionizing radiation can induce effects in non-irradiated neighbors (non-targeted effects or NTE), but the mechanisms remain unclear. This is especially true of the initial steps leading to the release of signaling...
Chronobiology Meets Quantum Biology: A New Paradigm Overlooking the Horizon?
Frontiers | Chronobiology Meets Quantum Biology: A New Paradigm Overlooking the Horizon?
Biological processes and physiological functions in living beings are featured by oscillations with a period of about 24 h (circadian) or cycle at the second...
Your response did not address the unfalsifiable nature of multiverses which was the point I was making.
Which BB are you referring to here, the BB that occurred at cosmological time t = 0 or the hot BB at t = 10⁻³⁰s?
It is about black holes; inside the event horizon of a black hole the mathematics indicates time takes on properties of length and vice versa.
On the contrary what each paper is stating in the entangled state, energy can cover all possible routes simultaneously to reach the reaction centre, however when the entangled state undergoes decoherence or wave collapse the energy takes the quickest route to the reaction centre.
So why are you posting this in a science forum?
There is nothing "between" science and philosophy.
Not if you know the difference between the two.
Spirits and stuff.
These are called emotions.
Speak for yourself. This ain't me.
Bleep, blorp.
On what basis do you think you have free will?
I prefer evidence. Arguments are for the dinner table.
They are real brain states. Why do they need to be anything more?
No I was trying to find the articles on quantum entanglement and how cells can communicate instantly.
