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Trump team argues assassination of rivals is covered by presidential immunity

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...in the 40 plus years I have been observing US politics,
In the last 30 years that I have been observing, I would never have thought our politics would evolve into what we see today. Even in the heavily 5 week contested G Bush election both Bush and Gore were focused on positive rhetoric to bring Americans together but today we see none of that. today.
 
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“I think it’s paradoxical to say that his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed allows him to violate the criminal law,” -Judge Karen L. Henderson
 
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I am hoping once more voters figure out how counterproductive this tribalism is they will start voting for actual candidates instead of letters. Some will surely understand how politicians use the tribalism to benefit themselves, not us citizens. I'm not convinced though. Americans still have a journey to find reality again thru this haze of political polarization.

I don't always agree with you on everything but I think you have an open mind and I do respect your opinions. Peace
I agree that we need more viable candidates that is why I said that part of this election may come down to not only which base comes out, but which candidate loses more votes to a third party.
 
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Can you please stay on topic?
Your question is not relevant to the court case - whether a POTUS has absolute immunity.
My point was that if Trump wanted to stay in power badly enough he would have used violence when he left the white house. This started by the assertion that he would be willing to use such acts as murder which you cannot really get much more violent than that.
 
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States not allowing it?

Or the D party in certain states?
the democratic party in certain states which in turn means Biden would be the only one on the ballot, so why hold a primary.
 
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My point was that if Trump wanted to stay in power badly enough he would have used violence when he left the white house. This started by the assertion that he would be willing to use such acts as murder which you cannot really get much more violent than that.

It was a hypothetical scenario asked by one of the judges to Trump's lawyer. No one was asserting he would commit murder.
 
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My point was that if Trump wanted to stay in power badly enough he would have used violence when he left the white house. This started by the assertion that he would be willing to use such acts as murder which you cannot really get much more violent than that.
Him trespassing the White House after the end of his term wouldn’t have kept him in power as he was just another citizen at that point.
 
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My point was that if Trump wanted to stay in power badly enough he would have used violence when he left the white house. This started by the assertion that he would be willing to use such acts as murder which you cannot really get much more violent than that.
The murder was a hypothetical question presented to Trump by a judge, and the Trump lawyers. You kind of derailed the thread with this rather meaningless point when one understands the Trump already caused enough violence on Jan 6th in order to stay in power. After the election was certified for Biden Trump had no choice but to leave. Trump doesn't really do violence unless it is a woman who is alone, otherwise he gets his supporters to do the violence so they have to take the blame.
 
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the democratic party in certain states which in turn means Biden would be the only one on the ballot, so why hold a primary.
Clearly unacceptable anti democratic authoritarianism, when democrats do it. It was speaking with the voice of the people united when republicans canceled primaries in 2020.
 
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The murder was a hypothetical question presented to Trump by a judge, and the Trump lawyers. You kind of derailed the thread with this rather meaningless point when one understands the Trump already caused enough violence on Jan 6th in order to stay in power. After the election was certified for Biden Trump had no choice but to leave. Trump doesn't really do violence unless it is a woman who is alone, otherwise he gets his supporters to do the violence so they have to take the blame.
Again, I am still not sure that he called on his supporters to be violent.
 
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Clearly unacceptable anti democratic authoritarianism, when democrats do it. It was speaking with the voice of the people united when republicans canceled primaries in 2020.
and I did not say that it was right when the Republicans did it.
 
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It was a hypothetical scenario asked by one of the judges to Trump's lawyer. No one was asserting he would commit murder.
I think the sensationalism of the title has people making opinions about the subject. I still think Trump's lawyers should be fired for their comments. (added) What lawyer in his right mind would answer a hypothetical question?
 
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I think the sensationalism of the title has people making opinions about the subject. I still think Trump's lawyers should be fired for their comments.
The lawyers mentioned it being OK for president to order a SEAL team to kill his opponents, but are his opponents people that disagree with him OR is it people who wish to harm America at large.? I am not sure if that question was not a loaded question.
 
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The lawyers mentioned it being OK for president to order a SEAL team to kill his opponents, but are his opponents people that disagree with him OR is it people who wish to harm America at large.? I am not sure if that question was not a loaded question.
I’m mean after defending slavery I guess I should have expected this…
 
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Again, I am still not sure that he called on his supporters to be violent.
He did not have too. They are a fanatic unstable, unpredictable bunch who prioritize their emotions over rational thought. perhaps that is why they like him so much. he is the same way. So he gets up there with inflammatory remarks and then is silent in the White House as they break into the capital. So No. he didn't tell anyone to go murder or to do what they did. But he hoped they would and did not try to stop them. Is there guilt in that? What can he get away with?
 
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I think the sensationalism of the title has people making opinions about the subject. I still think Trump's lawyers should be fired for their comments. (added) What lawyer in his right mind would answer a hypothetical question?

Agreed. It's a bit misleading if one only reads the title....
 
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....in the 40 plus years I have been observing US politics, I never thought I would see the day when a former POTUS would argue that he has absolute immunity and cannot be criminally prosecuted.
Anything on the post you quoted
 
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He did not have too. They are a fanatic unstable, unpredictable bunch who prioritize their emotions over rational thought. perhaps that is why they like him so much. he is the same way. So he gets up there with inflammatory remarks and then is silent in the White House as they break into the capital. So No. he didn't tell anyone to go murder or to do what they did. But he hoped they would and did not try to stop them. Is there guilt in that? What can he get away with?
First of all how can you know what he "hoped" it would do unless he admitted as much that is why intent crimes are so hard to prove because we cannot read people's minds. Second of all, what do you want him to do other than call the law ( who would have already been there anyway to "stop" them?
 
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