Poisoning the blood of our country

[stevil]

Sure you don't Your news outlets don't pay attention to it. THEY DON"T COVER IT. out of sight out of mind.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Your news outlets"
Are you talking about TVNZ One news or Prime news? or NZ Herald?????

 

[ralliann]

@BPPLEE does talk to people on the left like real people, not enemies.

Some on the left are better than others in this than others as well.

 

[ralliann]

I'm not sure what you mean by "Your news outlets"
Are you talking about TVNZ One news or Prime news? or NZ Herald?????

Do they show the border influx daily? Do they talk about the border patrol being overwhelmed? etc?

 

[stevil]

You haven’t noticed that MSNBC is totally biased to the left?
Maybe because you agree with them. It’s easy to get your news from sources that back up what you already believe

I'm just saying I don't often see them paint the entire left or the entire right. The way they speak is very different to what I see on Hannity, or Tucker Carlson, or Piro, or Ingrahm.

I only see news snippets, I don't have access to any of these USA 24x7 channels.
There is an opinion guy on MSNBC which I seem to stubble upon quite a bit.

Joe Scarborough - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not a big fan of his. He does seem to focus on Trump a lot. But from what I gather Joe is a Republican supporter. He used to be a Republican legislator in the House. He does not talk about Trump favourably, but he isn't the voice of the left. He is a conservative. You don't have to be on the left in order to criticise D Trump.
But Joe doesn't generalise on the left or the right, he talks about specific people, specific incidents.

I used to watch segments from Rachel Maddow, I do recognise that she is a left political commentator. She only criticises Republicans. But still she doesn't generalise, she talks about specific people, specific incidences.

I don't watch a lot of MSNBC, I see snippets here and there on youtube, so I'm probably not the best person to assess how right or left leaning they are or specific hosts are on that network.

 

[stevil]

Do they show the border influx daily? Do they talk about the border patrol being overwhelmed? etc?

USA isn't a big news item in NZ, certainly not regular things like your border control.

 

[stevil]

They are all biased. 2 to the left and 1 to the right. But you don’t seem to notice the bias on the left.

I've said that I understand that Rachel Maddow is a left political opinion person. She criticises Republican politicians but not Democrat politicians.
I don't find that very endearing about her. It would be much better if she criticised both.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm just saying I don't often see them paint the entire left or the entire right. The way they speak is very different to what I see on Hannity, or Tucker Carlson, or Piro, or Ingrahm.

I only see news snippets, I don't have access to any of these USA 24x7 channels.
There is an opinion guy on MSNBC which I seem to stubble upon quite a bit.

Joe Scarborough - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not a big fan of his. He does seem to focus on Trump a lot. But from what I gather Joe is a Republican supporter. He used to be a Republican legislator in the House. He does not talk about Trump favourably, but he isn't the voice of the left. He is a conservative. You don't have to be on the left in order to criticise D Trump.
But Joe doesn't generalise on the left or the right, he talks about specific people, specific incidents.

I used to watch segments from Rachel Maddow, I do recognise that she is a left political commentator. She only criticises Republicans. But still she doesn't generalise, she talks about specific people, specific incidences.

I don't watch a lot of MSNBC, I see snippets here and there on youtube, so I'm probably not the best person to assess how right or left leaning they are or specific hosts are on that network.

I do watch shows on Fox but I also watch NBC nightly news every night and other sources as well.
I read several online sites too

 

[BPPLEE]

I've said that I understand that Rachel Maddow is a left political opinion person. She criticises Republican politicians but not Democrat politicians.
I don't find that very endearing about her. It would be much better if she criticised both.

I deleted that comment after I read your previous post about news sources

 

[DaisyDay]

What causes yours?

What causes my what?

 

[Hank77]

I'm pretty sure this is how the White Supremacists are feeling right now.

Soil and blood. The Jews will not replace us.

Trump- There were fine people on both sides.

 

[DaisyDay]

Some on the left are better than others in this than others as well.

And those on the right?

 

[stevil]

I deleted that comment after I read your previous post about news sources

Realise with me,
1. I'm not from USA
2. I don't fit in the USA Left or USA right boxes
3. In NZ, I've voted right, left and centre
4. I'm not a political person, I have never attended a political rally, never donated to a political party, never bought political merchandise or political books
5. I am socially liberal (I value diversity and autonomy)
6. I am center right on fiscal issues. I'm not big on unions, I'm not big on too much government intervention in business dealings
7. I consider myself as a pragmatist, certainly not an idealist.
8. I'm not religious, but I believe people should have the right to choose their religion or non religion and the state should stay out of it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Soil and blood. The Jews will not replace us.

Trump- There were fine people on both sides.

I’m sorry but when Trump made that comment he also went on to say he was not talking about white supremacists and that comment was always edited out when good people on both sides was quoted. He has said enough things to be criticized for there’s no need to misrepresent things

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm pretty sure when you paint everyone of a group e.g. right, left in such a way, then it is considered goading, or flaming.

I'll tell you what @stevil ....how about an agreement?

I'll concede that it's certainly possible that people on the left agree that it's wrong to be racist to anyone, and all racism is ultimately bad, and more specifically, racial discrimination either in the laws or policies of a political group, business, or political organization is extremely bad and damaging to the livelihood and futures of people who have no choice in what race they are (as it's perceived as an immutable characteristic) and despite the widespread beliefs the left has propagated that involve vast sweeping racist generalizations like "white privilege" and the generalized "oppression" of various groups of racial minorities at various times, and the fact that the Democratic Party has used these beliefs to try and justify many policies that allow for racial discrimination under the general rubric of "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion"...these people who do genuinely believe racism is wrong and racial discrimination, including the widespread racial discrimination of this administration, is wrong....they still vote and support the Democratic Party.

I'll concede that....if you can concede that obviously, any such person is a total hypocrite and we need not consider the possibility of Trump's words offending them because there's no way to argue the possibility of a future racial discrimination policy under Trump is somehow wrong while supporting racial discrimination policies under Biden by voting for him despite the disagreement one may have with his racially discriminatory policies.

You see @stevil , I have no problem admitting such may exist on the left...because I was one of them. I supported Hillary in 2016. Even though the racist rhetoric was getting stronger on the left...I still figured most people would eventually reject it. However, sometime in late 2016, or early 2017...it became obvious to me that the Democratic Party was no longer just flirting with these ideas, they were openly endorsing them, and I had to repeatedly make it clear to many people on the right that I no longer associated myself with the left, nor would I continue calling myself a liberal, because they had adopted a set of racist beliefs. I got called a lot of names for switching sides...but I don't really endorse much of the rights beliefs or positions. We simply happen to agree (often for different reasons) on many topics.

Remember when the left floated the racist dogwhistle "whitesplaining"? This was the idea that since all white people are racists, we can dismiss any views they have on race....particularly if they disagree with black people's views on race, because black people are experts on identifying racism.

I disagreed that we should disregard the views of white people on race....because I don't believe all white people are automatically racist. I also don't believe that being black makes one a de facto expert on racism.

If the argument was about clearly racist people who espouse racist views and promote racist laws and policies...I'd agree we don't need to consider them seriously on who is or isn't racist. Nick Fuentes for example, is a white supremacist who holds ugly racist views of large groups of people and promotes very racist policies and laws. The vast majority of people in the right completely disagree with him...and the few who have met him, or in any way supported him, have usually denounced him when they learn he's white supremacist. We don't need to take his claims of racism seriously because he is a racist....not because he's white.

Likewise, the sad state of the modern left actually holds many of the same views as Nick Fuentes. They simply hate different races for different reasons. You both make broad, sweeping, negative generalizations about races...you both believe racial discrimination is not only acceptable but a good political goal....and on and on.

You may believe these things for different reasons....but there's no good or acceptable reason for being a racist. I can even understand or sympathize with certain reasons....but I'll disagree with the racist conclusions. It doesn't matter if I lose friends or an entire peer group....I don't hold principles or values because of my peers, nor would I abandon or change them because of my peers. There can be arguments or rational lines of thought, or even evidence or unique political circumstances that might cause me to change a principle or value or outright abandon them.

Racist beliefs and policies and laws have a poor track record. Merit matters...not the goofy distorted version that the left calls merit (merit doesn't guarantee a job or even recognition of merit) but actual merit. These are things that actually matter when considering who should be given a job or responsibilities or authority. Remarkably, as Harvard University is learning their president is an academic lightweight who appears to have frequently plagiarized others and is blatantly racist and biased against certain political views....I'd suggest to them and the rest of the left to reconsider whether merit matters and the wisdom of discrimination against certain races and men in favor of other races and women.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Soil and blood. The Jews will not replace us.

Trump- There were fine people on both sides.

Democrats- Hamas did some terrible things on October 7th, but we can't justify the response from Israel....there's some very fine Palestinians in Gaza. Sure, they may be anti-semitic....but it's understandable since the evil zionist oppressors have repeatedly dehumanized and degraded them in their open air prison.

Trump may have "both sides" a bad situation he shouldn't have....but he made himself clear and condemned the racists in 24 hours...along with every elected Republican.

It's been over 2 months since October 7th and many many on the left are still dismissing and excusing or "both sides" the behavior of a violent group of terrorists who happen to be the elected government of a deeply hateful anti-semitic bigoted people.

 

[essentialsaltes]

42 percent of GOP Iowa caucusgoers say ‘poisoning the blood’ remarks make them more likely to support Trump: poll​

Twenty-eight percent of likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers said Trump’s “poisoning the blood” comments made them less likely to support him in the caucuses. [29% said it didn't matter.]

 

[Hank77]

I’m sorry but when Trump made that comment he also went on to say he was not talking about white supremacists and that comment was always edited out when good people on both sides was quoted. He has said enough things to be criticized for there’s no need to misrepresent things

Yes, I found a further quote...
After further questioning from the reporter, and responses from Trump about people who were at the Charlottesville rally to support keeping the Lee statue, the president said, "You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

Fact check: Meme on Trump 'very fine people' quote contains inaccuracies

A viral Facebook meme falsely says Chris Wallace, Joe Biden spoke of neo-Nazis at the debate. It also misrepresents a Donald Trump quote.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Hank77]

Democrats- Hamas did some terrible things on October 7th, but we can't justify the response from Israel....there's some very fine Palestinians in Gaza. Sure, they may be anti-semitic....but it's understandable since the evil zionist oppressors have repeatedly dehumanized and degraded them in their open air prison.

Trump may have "both sides" a bad situation he shouldn't have....but he made himself clear and condemned the racists in 24 hours...along with every elected Republican.

It's been over 2 months since October 7th and many many on the left are still dismissing and excusing or "both sides" the behavior of a violent group of terrorists who happen to be the elected government of a deeply hateful anti-semitic bigoted people.

That's a very different subject for a separate thread.

 

[JustOneWay]

42 percent of GOP Iowa caucusgoers say ‘poisoning the blood’ remarks make them more likely to support Trump: poll​

Twenty-eight percent of likely Iowa GOP caucusgoers said Trump’s “poisoning the blood” comments made them less likely to support him in the caucuses. [29% said it didn't matter.]

Of course almost half of Iowa caucaugoers liked the phrase....I think they are now being forced to say maíz there.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I might; devoid of all context, I don't know. That is all too vague but I take the gist of your question to be "the left really is just like the KKK" - am I mistaken?

I wouldn't say they’re like the KKK...the KKK isn't shaping policy and running for election.

Yeah, what possible meaning can "they are poisoning our blood of our country" have? Gee, it's just so confusing as to what he is getting at!!

Let's assume it's bigoted in some way....is that some kind of problem for you?

If so, can you describe the problem?

And this has to do with immigrants poisoning the blood of our country how, exactly?

It's one of many many examples of rampant left wing racism and bigotry that is running wild on the left that no posters here seem to care about.

Certainly not enough to make a thread.

Surely you're aware of the bigotry and racism? They had some racist left wing university administrators testify in front of Congress about it. It's pretty bad.

That is an incredibly rude, stupid and ignorant statement to make about me, but hey! it follows your "the left stinks" narrative so points for consistent buffoonery.

No it's not. It's pretty accurate....

Here's an example,

The war on Christmas seems about as real as the war on white men.

You don't even require evidence of discrimination against some people in order to believe it's literally built into the country....yet when someone shows you a person literally giving instructions regarding hiring for a huge company like IBM....you dismiss it.

How many examples do you want? Your political views aren't exactly a mystery here.

Of course! that the left IS the KKK seems to be your ever recurring point. I guess that makes Donald Adolph in this scenario?

We can use a more traditional analogy if you prefer....

Have you ever heard about the pot and the kettle?

To you, yes - the left just stinks and it is your duty and pleasure to point it out in each and every thread you post in.

Oh no...objectively. We are wayyyy past opinions. The left unapologetically promotes racist policies and ideas. They push businesses and CEOs to hire along racial quotas. This administration has lost a few racial discrimination lawsuits (well it stopped defending them anyway) for trying to redistribute money along racial lines.

It's not my opinion that the Democratic Party is racist...it's an open fact. It's rebranded as any number of things but you can call a steaming pile of dung a rose...that won't change the smell.

People can care about whatever they do care about.

Do tell...what is it about this particular statement from the former president that you personally care about?